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In Excalibur 25 (volume 1).
We see Rachael handle Nova (herald of Galactus) twice. Knocks her, strait to the moon.

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Pissed off, Nova attempts to return the favor. Only to have Rachael fling her back to Galactus.
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However, Rachael agrees to go forth with Galactus plan to separate her from the Phoenix Force.
She states the encounter is not worth, the potential destruction of earth.

However Galactus arrogance, proves to be costly. You see separating the PF from its Avatar will cost the universe itself. Ending all life through out the universe, by the dieing star (the PF is directly tied in, with the Stars). Even Galactus would place itself in danger. It took the combination of Roma, The Watcher, and Death to talk some sense into him.
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This goes to show, that Phoenix is a cosmic entity that is just as fundamental as Galactus. However this is just one aspect of the importance of the Phoenix.
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Excalibur volume 1, issue #50
Rachael vs Necrom. Battle wise, good showings.
Asteroids, and moons are thrown at each other. Planetes are one shotted, and ignited to form a sun. Devastation to an entire Solar System.
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Awsome respect thread man and yea OUA is stronger isn’t he steve Ditko or some weird shit like that?
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Kyle Knight wrote: Awsome respect thread man and yea OUA is stronger isn’t he steve Ditko or some weird shit like that?


OAA is basically the writer of the story.
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Excalibur volume 1, issue #50
Rachael vs Necrom. Battle wise, good showings.
Asteroids, and moons are thrown at each other. Planetes are one shotted, and ignited to form a sun. Devastation to an entire Solar System.
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Excalibur volume 1, issue #61

Rachael vs Galactus.
An interesting match, we know that the Phoenix Force is well above a Herald of Galactus. What about a Hungry Galactus? Apparently a league above him as well.

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Excalibur 26
Remember that certain level of Omniscience?
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Excalibur 67
Energy manipulation
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Excalibur 71

Rachael is able to propel herself into the future for a few seconds.
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Excalibur 73
Repairing the ozone layer on a molecular level.
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Askni Rising 1
Plasma weaponry have no effect.
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Excalibur 27
Alfie O’Meagan vs. Rachael
For those who do not know, Alfie is a character with vast physchic powers. And the ability to bend reality.

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What If X-Men Lost Inferno?
Eventually Rachael goes off to do Phoenix work, and cleanses the evil.
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What If “Rise and Fall of the Shi’ar Empire”
When Vulcan unexpectedly enters the M’Kran Crystal. He falls into the nightmare field…however he seemingly ascended to the White Hot Room. This is because he becomes the new “Phoenix Force Avatar”. The other Avatars are not content with this happening, and deem Vulcan unfit to be next Avatar. However Gabriel disagrees, and proceeds to seemingly take his powers and kill him (along with the others).
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He obliterates all opposition, the Shi’ar Empire is destroyed in a single strike..you even see planets shatter at the manifested rage from Vulcan. Only Racheal and Havoc survive because they escape through teleportation. They are not sure who or what caused a stargate to seemingly open. They think it was the Phoenix.
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Vulcan destroyed 1/3 of the annihilation wave along with Annihiuls himself. Nova pleads Ronan to escape. However again, Vulcan destroys the Kree Empire. And The Watchers comment, that the Phoenix “Consumed” a galaxy, it was the 7th galaxy to fall.
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Vulcan engages the X-Men. The match takes place in the island, it was frozen and destroyed to pieces. However it is now alive, and intact. Apparently wielding the PF holds no real limits to what it can do.
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However, he is loosing control. This is because the Phoenix (Jean Grey) is holding back its power.
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Rachael warns Gabriel (thanks to the mind link), that the Phoenix Force reacts poorly to negative emotions. The consequences of losing total control will not only consume himself but the entire “Reality”.
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Finally letting go of rage, and hate. He proceeds to halt his rampage, and except his death.
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All the not so cryptic talk, and cryptic actions are revealed. Its none other then Jean Grey.
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X-Men Forever 01

Well it brings certain revelations, and more questions. But My head hurts and we shall focus more on the revelations. Humanity and Mutants(along with other diverges exhibiting the X- Gene *Thanks to the Celestials*) represent the potential. Eventually some will evolve and replace universal forces. Jean and her relation to the Phoenix are used an example.


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X-Man Forever 03

In a conversation with Death, its revealed how the Cosmic Forces initially viewed mankind’s progression. Now that Jean has bonded with Mankind. A Universal Force (Jean as the Phoenix) will see through that mankind will progress in its evolution. If other Forces attempt to halt this progression, Phoenix is the legitimate challenge.

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X-Men Forever 06.
Long story short, Stranger wants to usurp control of the future fundamental forces. Or incite human evolution now and control them. Stranger explains/shows and Jean apparently remembers how being the Resurrection Force, will witness mankind’s ascendance to Cosmic Status, and her role as universal Destroyer/Savior.

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Eternity interrupts only to confirm Strangers notation. It uses Galactus survival and Cosmic role only to tie it in directly into humanity eventual progression.

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Ending Note
- X-Men Forever ties in many mythos and explanations. However focusing on the Phoenix. It explains its role as Guardian of life and evolutionary progression (which has had several references outside of X-Men Forever. Along with inciting the natural order of universal end and rebirth. Like Eternity, and other Abstracts yet different and unique (Death claims its different from the Cosmic Abstracts). The Phoenix Force itself is a constant as well, a fundamental Universal Force that will live on regardless if the universe lives or dies.
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Excalibur #25
To make long story short, Galactus wants separate the force from the host. But the Avatar needs to submitted. Rachael deems a fight unnecessary, since it will escalate to the destruction of the vary planet its trying to defend.


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However, this comes with negative repercussions. The first visible showings are how the Phoenix is directly tied in with the stars. The stars are dieing, due to the separation of the force and the host. Condemning the cosmos to ultimate extinction, bet that takes a toll in Galactus planet hunting days?


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Note
- No where is it said, that the machine kills the Phoenix. It seems to permanently extract the Force from the avatar.
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Excalibur 52
We learn that the phoenix manifestation holds memories since the dawn of creation.

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Excalibur 62

After the revelation that, it would expedite energy from future generation only to deny them existence. It remembers how the Force was directly involved with creation, only to view itself as a cosmic parasite in disgust.

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Excalibur 63
Conversation with Death
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Excalibur 64

Total Recall.
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A bit of pep talk with the Phoenix. No longer wishing to be directly tied in with human avatar. It grants Rachael its power, yet ascends back to being a Cosmic Force.
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Excalibur: Weird War 3
This special takes place after Excalibur v1 #10
Phoenix is unexpectedly responsible for the unification of two separate realties merging into one. Eventually Phoenix restores cosmic balance segregating those two worlds. Or more like stops the unification, and reverts it back to original state.

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Phoenix Force a Multiversal Power.
Ok some of you remember, how Cube beings or even Odin in the mist of a fight effected the multiverse in one form or another (Please correct me on Odin, if I am wrong). And according to Kubic for all its omnipotent powers, Celestials simply operate on a higher level’s of Omnipotence beyond him.

Well I am not sure about many of you, but I regard Phoenix above a Celestial. Its exact ranking, is not really an issue (that’s more or less an opinion of mine and yours). And I really hate ABC logic, like the one stated by Kubic or matching up characters to lesser beings who show grander displays. So I am going to disregard Kubic comments, and restrain from quantifying Odin feat. Regardless, the other cosmics (Death, Eternity, The Watcher) Regard Phoenix as a Primal Force of the Universe, through comic book Narration it has bin regarded as the Ultimate Primal Force.


Lets Begin with the first piece of evidence. M’Kran Crystal.
U. X-Men #108
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Originally it was a Neutron Galaxy and the treat of its energy release would reek the destruction of the universe. However this has bin retconed as the Nexus of Realties and its devastation threaten the entire Multiverse.[AoA scan.] Yes she had help, her team maKes life force not only help her anchor herself, but the spiritual support kept her motivated to endure. And a mighty task, since she needed to re-energize and nit the Lattice Fields. In case nobody noticed, the Latice Fields are composed of anti-energy that keeps the Multiversal energies of the M”Kran crystal at bay. Naturally the Phoenix was going to suffer from exposing herself to the Lattice Fields.

Excalibur: Weird War 3
This special takes place after Excalibur v1 #10

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When Rachael traveled to another reality and back. It left a funnel open between the two realities. What we see shortly after, are two worlds merging into one. The Phoenix goes on, restore the two worlds and close the funnel.


Excalibur v1 #14

In another Earth, Impossible Man created a silly version of 616 Earth. Galactus come over and decides that these actions are a threat to the entire Omniverse. Before he leaves, Galactus remarks that Impossible Man is almost as big as a threat as the Phoenix.


Excalibur v1 #50

The Phoenix uses its power, to project the tower across the Multiverse.

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New X-Men #154
As you may know, the Phoenix’(s), has accesses to their own dimension outside space/time/reality. The White Hot Room. Within the WHR various activities takes place but its mostly referred as Phoenix Work. Well here is one of the more bigger jobs that took place. Phoenix can amputate the future of an entire reality and atomically control that structure.[New X-Men #154 page 20, panel one.]

But wait, it gets better, we also get to see the manifestation of the rest of 616 Universe, and like the comic states. Total Atomic Control through Telekinesis. [#154 page 21]

So yes in HCT you see, how the Phoenix interacted with the 616 universe, that lead to the creation of reality 15104.

What If: The X-Men Lost Inferno

Some of you may debunk this because it’s a non cannon material to the 616 continuality. But you have to keep in mind it is part of Marvel continuality, and the M Body of the LT, is the same LT being projected across the Multiverse.

Anyhow, narration comments that Phoenix with a Host is much to much danger to the Multiverse.

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What If X-Men: Rise and Fall of the Shi’Ar Empire

Again some of you may dismiss this like the above. However you if follow marvel mythos, The White Hoot Room, is the center point the meeting place to the door way that is M’Kran Crystal. Any how its hinted that Vulcan gains the Phoenix Force, and goes on to lay waste the rest of the Phoenix Corps.
What’s interesting is the endings, it was Jean who appeared at the end. It was Jean who acted out as the Phoenix Conscious. It was Jean who held back its powers against her friends and family. And it was Jean who initially granted Vulcan the Phoenix powers. And Jean is wearing the infamous white garment.



If we follow the Phoenix mythos, there is only one White Phoenix of the Crown. And at the time of this What IF, WPotC was in the White Hoot Room. So it serves to show that once again, a Phoenix is capable of destroying a Universe (it didn’t come to that), easily obliterating opposition (Shi’Ar Empire, Annihilation Wave, the Kree, Galaxies etc..). But the most interesting is, re-affirming that WPotC holds over the rest of the Phoenix Avatar’s.

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A question was once asked. Did the Phoenix pre-exsist prior to the current Universe? I had no real backing to say it did. However I came across this bio:

Annihilation - Nova Corps Files


http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3541/annihilation6novacorpsfai2.jpg



I will let you make your own conclusion


X-Men: Emperor Vulcan #5

Rachel wielding reminiscing energies of the Phoenix Force, fights Gladiator to a stand still.


Age of Apocalypse
X-Men - Age of Apocalypse One-Shot #01
I think you all remember, how AoA was about to end? The bombs where to about to decend effectively wipe out the city where the resistance against took place? Or that with bishops actions AoA timeline was never going to be?


X-Men - Age of Apocalypse 05

Well take a look at what happened to the bombs


X-Men - Age of Apocalypse 06
Well, Jean not only stopped and reverted the explosion/contained the explosion. She saved the entire time line from being erased. And you thought she can only control an entire time line within the White Hot Room.
Bam….I mean BAM!
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Ok this one leaves me a bit, confused. Ultimate Jean/Phoenix either:
A) Restores everything.
B) Turns back time, prior to the decimation lead by the encounter with Apocalypse.

Anyhow it takes place in Ultimate X-Men #93

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2126/ultimatexmen093020021nh6.jpg
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Last edited 17 Jul 2008 12:26 am by The Dahaka
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