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IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS! I dont care what people believe on the unprobable.

Well if you don’t care, don’t bitch about it, which you obviously are, you are so ignorant it’s not even funny, SO WHAT IF YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONES BELIEF? That doesn’t make the opinion invalid.

Strawman. Who are you to say what I believe!

No, I know you are an Atheist, you’ve said it in a few posts I’m certain.

Atheist - “One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."
I am in disbelief in every claim that I have hear of so far. Now does this mean I dont believe there could be a god? NO. Do you believe in every god, I dont think so.. so be careful the next time you spit the word 'atheist' out.

Who said anything about could? See this is where your ignorance shows, it’s ok for you to disbelieve that the existance of a God, but if other people believe it, it doesn’t matter, why is that? Their opinion invalid or something? Did I say I believed in every god? Lol passive assumption. To even believe in every god, I’d have to know them all. I think you should be careful the next time you say what people think and believe doesn’t matter.

The flying spaghetti monster makes much more sense then your god, because in the scripture, it actually states that he is going around planting evidence to fool all the scientist. Where none of the other religious text state anything close to this.

And so what if it does? Does that mean what I believe or think doesn’t matter? Because you clearly seem to believe opinions don’t matter.
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Atheist - “One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."
I am in disbelief in every claim that I have hear of so far. Now does this mean I dont believe there could be a god? NO. Do you believe in every god, I dont think so.. so be careful the next time you spit the word 'atheist' out.
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So people must believe in every God to avoid atheist...???

I just believe in ONE GOD so thats make me ATHEIST...???
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Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Oranje wrote:
Gplex wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote: Which one do you think was the start of life?

Thats like giving you a photo of a bunny and asking you to tell me what sex you “think” it is. Its doesn’t matter what I think, it can only be left as a bunny till any evidence points either way...


I could make assumptions of that bunny’s gender based on the picture. It could have been nursing baby bunnies or have looked pregnant. It could be sitting in the rabbit hole watching football and drinking a beer. There are always clues, even if there aren’t clues people will still tell you their opinion.

Exactly, but right now we don’t have any clues that can lead us to testable evidence. And if a girl drinks beer and watches football (I know a few) then that makes them a guy? Or if a guy has a belly doe it mean hes pregnant, these do not pass as evidence.


What if it’s sex organs were clearly visible?

You havent seen a rabbit in real life have u lol...
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Buster Sword wrote:
Gplex wrote: IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS! I dont care what people believe on the unprobable.

Well if you don’t care, don’t bitch about it, which you obviously are, you are so ignorant it’s not even funny, SO WHAT IF YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMEONES BELIEF? That doesn’t make the opinion invalid.
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Strawman. Who are you to say what I believe!

No, I know you are an Atheist, you’ve said it in a few posts I’m certain.

What? I just went through this with you! I dont care what people believe, as long as they dont force it on others. Which religious scriptures that I know about clearly state to do.

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Gplex wrote: Atheist - “One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."
I am in disbelief in every claim that I have hear of so far. Now does this mean I dont believe there could be a god? NO. Do you believe in every god, I dont think so.. so be careful the next time you spit the word 'atheist' out.

Who said anything about could? See this is where your ignorance shows, it’s ok for you to disbelieve that the existance of a God, but if other people believe it, it doesn’t matter, why is that? Their opinion invalid or something? Did I say I believed in every god? Lol passive assumption. To even believe in every god, I’d have to know them all. I think you should be careful the next time you say what people think and believe doesn’t matter.

You pull straw man after straw man. Ill answer this below.

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Gplex wrote: The flying spaghetti monster makes much more sense then your god, because in the scripture, it actually states that he is going around planting evidence to fool all the scientist. Where none of the other religious text state anything close to this.

And so what if it does? Does that mean what I believe or think doesn’t matter? Because you clearly seem to believe opinions don’t matter.

Now when they come to declearing facts something you dont seem to want to admit.
You and your stupid strawman, you ignore everything I said and just concentrated on the a part of my argument “It doesn’t matter what I think”
Gplex wrote: Thats like giving you a photo of a bunny and asking you to tell me what sex you “think” it is. It doesn’t matter what I think, it can only be left as a bunny till any evidence points either way...

Actually read it this time, and try to get a grasp on the context that I use it, it doesnt matter what I think, it will not impact the facts of what sex this bunny is.

So stop claiming that I think people thoughts dont count, because they do, but what people believe will not change facts.
What people believe will not change facts
What people believe will not change facts
What people believe will not change facts

I still dont care if you believe in a god, just as I dont care if you are gay, just as I dont care if you dont like ice cream, if you like to play a video game or watch I movie I dont. None of this effects me in the lease. I just dont care about stuff like that.
But as soon as you start claiming you know the word of your god, or claim your god did something, without evidence thats when you get my attention and criticism.
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What? I just went through this with you! I dont care what people believe, as long as they dont force it on others. Which religious scriptures that I know about clearly state to do.

Which means you have no right to say that opinions do not matter then. Religious scriptures don’t necessarily mean followers of that said religion will force their religion on others.
You pull straw man after straw man. Ill answer this below.

Sure.
Now when they come to declearing facts something you dont seem to want to admit.
You and your stupid strawman, you ignore everything I said and just concentrated on the a part of my argument “It doesn’t matter what I think”

What do you mean something I would not admit? I said you have no right to say people’s opinions don’t matter whether they are right or wrong. And so what if I only concentrated on that bit of your post? That was the most pressing thing you said. I already said I have absolutely no proof to show that God exists, but that doesn’t make my opinion of him existing invalid.

So stop claiming that I think people thoughts dont count, because they do, but what people believe will not change facts.
What people believe will not change facts
What people believe will not change facts
What people believe will not change facts

Then why did you say it then?
What people believe is up to them whether it be right or wrong, whether you agree/disagree.


What people believe is up to them whether it be right or wrong, whether you agree/disagree.


What people believe is up to them whether it be right or wrong, whether you agree/disagree.


I still dont care if you believe in a god, just as I dont care if you are gay, just as I dont care if you dont like ice cream, if you like to play a video game or watch I movie I dont. None of this effects me in the lease. I just dont care about stuff like that.
But as soon as you start claiming you know the word of your god, or claim your god did something, without evidence thats when you get my attention and criticism.

If you don’t care, why say it doesn’t matter?
It’s funny how I never claimed anything, I just said I believe in God.

There is absolutely no evidence that something accelerating FTL in a vaccum, but people still believe it’s a possibility, I guess they are wrong for having such a belief, why don’t you go and knock on their door and call their bullshit then? There are lots of things that people believe with absolutely no evidence.

And you know what, so what IF people believed God did such things? Gonna shoot them for believing something you do not?
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Abiogenesis, but I think it was part of a grander picture when the big bang was started. Now whether or not we were planned for or just go lucky is another question, but I think life in general is one of the reasons the universe is here, and it was just the natural result of the planets temp, elemental composition and proximity to the sun. So I guess you could say I agree with both. smiley
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Buster Sword wrote:
Gplex wrote: What? I just went through this with you! I dont care what people believe, as long as they dont force it on others. Which religious scriptures that I know about clearly state to do.

Which means you have no right to say that opinions do not matter then. Religious scriptures don’t necessarily mean followers of that said religion will force their religion on others.

All the ones that I have read do.

Buster Sword wrote:
Gplex wrote: You pull straw man after straw man. Ill answer this below.

Sure.
Gplex wrote: Now when they come to declearing facts something you dont seem to want to admit.
You and your stupid strawman, you ignore everything I said and just concentrated on the a part of my argument “It doesn’t matter what I think”

What do you mean something I would not admit? I said you have no right to say people’s opinions don’t matter whether they are right or wrong. And so what if I only concentrated on that bit of your post? That was the most pressing thing you said. I already said I have absolutely no proof to show that God exists, but that doesn’t make my opinion of him existing invalid.

Gplex wrote: So stop claiming that I think people thoughts dont count, because they do, but what people believe will not change facts.
What people believe will not change facts
What people believe will not change facts
What people believe will not change facts

Then why did you say it then?
What people believe is up to them whether it be right or wrong, whether you agree/disagree.


What people believe is up to them whether it be right or wrong, whether you agree/disagree.


What people believe is up to them whether it be right or wrong, whether you agree/disagree.

man you only see what you want to see.
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It doesnt change the facts what people believe wtf.

Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t matter. wtf. People are entitled to their opinion, and saying it doesn’t matter is pretty ignorant, people believe that we are not the only force in the universe, there is no facts to prove that their are “others” like us, but people believe it because of the possibility of it being true, so their opinions do not matter then? Oh wow, you are an atheist right? You are completely entitled to your opinion, which is your decision, and more importantly it matters to you, because you believe there is no God. But by your logic it doesn’t matter because you cannot disprove God exists (BUT YOU ARE STILL AN ATHEIST, SO IT DOES MATTER), no more than I can prove he does exist.
Amen lol.

Amen, made me assume you where a christain...
Gplex wrote:
Buster Sword wrote:
It doesnt change the facts what people believe wtf.

Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t matter. wtf. People are entitled to their opinion, and saying it doesn’t matter is pretty ignorant, people believe that we are not the only force in the universe, there is no facts to prove that their are “others” like us, but people believe it because of the possibility of it being true, so their opinions do not matter then? Oh wow, you are an atheist right? You are completely entitled to your opinion, which is your decision, and more importantly it matters to you, because you believe there is no God. But by your logic it doesn’t matter because you cannot disprove God exists (BUT YOU ARE STILL AN ATHEIST, SO IT DOES MATTER), no more than I can prove he does exist.
Amen lol.


IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACTS! I dont care what people believe on the unprobable.
Strawman. Who are you to say what I believe!
Atheist - “One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."
I am in disbelief in every claim that I have hear of so far. Now does this mean I dont believe there could be a god? NO. Do you believe in every god, I dont think so.. so be careful the next time you spit the word 'atheist' out.

The flying spaghetti monster makes much more sense then your god, because in the scripture, it actually states that he is going around planting evidence to fool all the scientist. Where none of the other religious text state anything close to this.

Again, you stated if, I dont care, but the scripture can be proven/disprove, and so far they keep showing up as bs. So stop putting words in my mouth, which you have being doing over and over again.

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Gplex wrote: I still dont care if you believe in a god, just as I dont care if you are gay, just as I dont care if you dont like ice cream, if you like to play a video game or watch I movie I dont. None of this effects me in the lease. I just dont care about stuff like that.
But as soon as you start claiming you know the word of your god, or claim your god did something, without evidence thats when you get my attention and criticism.

If you don’t care, why say it doesn’t matter?
It’s funny how I never claimed anything, I just said I believe in God.

There is absolutely no evidence that something accelerating FTL in a vaccum, but people still believe it’s a possibility, I guess they are wrong for having such a belief, why don’t you go and knock on their door and call their bullshit then? There are lots of things that people believe with absolutely no evidence.

And you know what, so what IF people believed God did such things? Gonna shoot them for believing something you do not?

Yes Im sure that the belief in FTL = stoning children to death.
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Buster Sword how about you actually debate something I actually said, instead of making your own bs up about me.
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Gplex wrote: Buster Sword how about you actually debate something I actually said, instead of making your own bs up about me.


I think you should read your posts more carefully then.
Gplex wrote: Thats like giving you a photo of a bunny and asking you to tell me what sex you “think” it is. Its doesn’t matter what I think, it can only be left as a bunny till any evidence points either way...


Besides, that was the worst come back ever. Good day to you sir.
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Son Gohan The True SSJ2 wrote: Abiogenesis, but I think it was part of a grander picture when the big bang was started. Now whether or not we were planned for or just go lucky is another question, but I think life in general is one of the reasons the universe is here, and it was just the natural result of the planets temp, elemental composition and proximity to the sun. So I guess you could say I agree with both. smiley


and life suddenly exist... but wait scientist said that we are not a live then what are we...???

undead...???
unliving things...???
or
...???

we even dont exist..
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Itachi: We are alive, and we do exist. You can observe yourself, so by definition, you exist. Science has said were alive, as we breathe and reproduce in multiple ways.

Gplex: Whatever the hell happened I’ll have no idea, but I REALLY don’t think Chibi intended any fact to be changed. From what I can tell it’s an opinionated question, since we don’t know the definitive answer. So, seriously, I cannot understand the reason behind the whole argument or the initiating statement.

Back on topic, I personally believe in Abiogenesis, but more or less go mostly with what Son Gohan said.

(Woo, I posted in the religious forum again. I feel special)
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Tyreaus wrote: Itachi: We are alive, and we do exist. You can observe yourself, so by definition, you exist. Science has said were alive, as we breathe and reproduce in multiple ways.

Gplex: Whatever the hell happened I’ll have no idea, but I REALLY don’t think Chibi intended any fact to be changed. From what I can tell it’s an opinionated question, since we don’t know the definitive answer. So, seriously, I cannot understand the reason behind the whole argument or the initiating statement.

Back on topic, I personally believe in Abiogenesis, but more or less go mostly with what Son Gohan said.

(Woo, I posted in the religious forum again. I feel special)


some of atheist said that we even not living...

contradiction or what...??? nihilist said that we not live and we just hormone, flesh and shits combined together...

nihilist even cant define reality...???

wtf...
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Tyreaus wrote: Itachi: We are alive, and we do exist. You can observe yourself, so by definition, you exist. Science has said were alive, as we breathe and reproduce in multiple ways.

Gplex: Whatever the hell happened I’ll have no idea, but I REALLY don’t think Chibi intended any fact to be changed. From what I can tell it’s an opinionated question, since we don’t know the definitive answer. So, seriously, I cannot understand the reason behind the whole argument or the initiating statement.

Back on topic, I personally believe in Abiogenesis, but more or less go mostly with what Son Gohan said.

(Woo, I posted in the religious forum again. I feel special)


some of atheist said that we even not living...

contradiction or what...??? nihilist said that we not live and we just hormone, flesh and shits combined together...

nihilist even cant define reality...???

wtf...


Uh...okay. >.> That’s lovely.

Technically, life could even be defined as that. All we are is a bunch of collective cells that breathe, eat and reproduce. Every living thing that I can recall does that. That’s our usual definition of life.

Best we can get is what we perceive with our senses. But some people hallucinate, and it seems like reality to them. There isn’t truly a concrete definition, it’s variable. -shrugs-
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-shrugs-

wink

Oops... sorry I have my wife starring at me...

sad
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Buster Sword wrote:
Gplex wrote: Buster Sword how about you actually debate something I actually said, instead of making your own bs up about me.


I think you should read your posts more carefully then.
Gplex wrote: Thats like giving you a photo of a bunny and asking you to tell me what sex you “think” it is. Its doesn’t matter what I think, it can only be left as a bunny till any evidence points either way...


Besides, that was the worst come back ever. Good day to you sir.

Do you not see your straw man? You have no idea that I am no even adressing your bs straw man Im trying to get you to see it. So how do you make a comeback from a response that isnt even a response to me.
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Tyreaus wrote: Itachi: We are alive, and we do exist. You can observe yourself, so by definition, you exist. Science has said were alive, as we breathe and reproduce in multiple ways.

Gplex: Whatever the hell happened I’ll have no idea, but I REALLY don’t think Chibi intended any fact to be changed. From what I can tell it’s an opinionated question, since we don’t know the definitive answer. So, seriously, I cannot understand the reason behind the whole argument or the initiating statement.

Back on topic, I personally believe in Abiogenesis, but more or less go mostly with what Son Gohan said.

(Woo, I posted in the religious forum again. I feel special)


some of atheist said that we even not living...

contradiction or what...??? nihilist said that we not live and we just hormone, flesh and shits combined together...

nihilist even cant define reality...???

wtf...

Need quotes, because you always make shit up.
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petrofsky wrote: We are alive, but there is a sense that we are not. We are made of atoms which are not living things. These atoms build chemicals, and they interact and react with each other which creates effects. These differect reactions all come together to make a breathing, thinking organism. In other words, we kinda are not living, just building blocks put together in strange ways. We are one huge chemical reaction.


There you are...
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
petrofsky wrote: We are alive, but there is a sense that we are not. We are made of atoms which are not living things. These atoms build chemicals, and they interact and react with each other which creates effects. These differect reactions all come together to make a breathing, thinking organism. In other words, we kinda are not living, just building blocks put together in strange ways. We are one huge chemical reaction.


There you are...

Well he right, our body is just a complex chemical reaction..
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
petrofsky wrote: We are alive, but there is a sense that we are not. We are made of atoms which are not living things. These atoms build chemicals, and they interact and react with each other which creates effects. These differect reactions all come together to make a breathing, thinking organism. In other words, we kinda are not living, just building blocks put together in strange ways. We are one huge chemical reaction.


There you are...


Yeah...
“Kinda not living”
As far as we know, atoms aren’t classified as living, and we’re made of them, so were really essentially made of something that isn’t alive. It’s how we can be seen, partially, as a non-living thing, but we look at that type of thing in a bigger picture; we breathe and reproduce therefore we are alive. We don’t look at that we’re made of atoms, but nonetheless he’s right in saying it exactly as that. =/
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Gplex wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
petrofsky wrote: We are alive, but there is a sense that we are not. We are made of atoms which are not living things. These atoms build chemicals, and they interact and react with each other which creates effects. These differect reactions all come together to make a breathing, thinking organism. In other words, we kinda are not living, just building blocks put together in strange ways. We are one huge chemical reaction.


There you are...

Well he right, our body is just a complex chemical reaction..



then what makes us move...??? we are dead then... what is the purpose of law...??? what is killing since we already dead...??? we just flesh and bones walk on the street...
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