The Official Goku vs Superman Topic Update: Read Before Posting

richest kid on the block wrote:
Yeah, you don’t get it, you said supes soul is still inside his body and that makes him alive, well, goku’s soul is still inside his body but he was considered dead.

WOW, and the maybe frizas rward for destroying countless lives was to retain his soul in side his body as well huh?

Protagonist301 wrote:
When was Goku soul still inside him when he was considered dead?

Hey those are DBZ rules not mine.

richest kid on the block wrote:
Hmmm, when goku was training on kaio’s planet, and well, everytime he 'died'.

Doesn’t matter if those are dbz rules it just makes your point invalid. goku didn’t retain his body because it’s his 'reward'

Protagonist301 wrote:
When he was in Kais planet he was dead his soul went to the other world to train with Kai. His soul was not still inside his body if it was he wouldn’t be in the other world.

Well in the anime the dude told Goku that he must of done something really important for him to have kept his body in the other world so that my point.

Protagonist301 wrote: No I’m saying it was Gokus soul which was training with Kai. I think remember a episode when one of the Z fighters dying and their body fading away to the other world but I’m not sure.

Well I remember the blue dude looked like he was about to bust a nut cause he saw Gokus soul in its former body. And telling him he must of done something really important for him to have kept his body.

Protagonist301 wrote: Well that is how you get people attention by making a title that would shock people and when I say people I mean in the comic books. Superman’s soul was still in his body which means he was still a live unlike Gokus soul who died twice and went to the different dimension

Kakarrot wrote:

He was never powering up when he was training with the weights, no kaioken, it was a training of his base with no use of ki to increase his strenght, and speed

Mystic Kal-El wrote:
Because powering up wouldn’t help thats why he went SSJ which is much better.

Mystic Kal-El wrote: Yeah the reason they can surpass them is because they’re not far from them and no its Dragon Ball not DBZ thats the whole name of the entire manga series plus a blood thrusty Superman would just kill Goku will one punch,sorry.

Protagonist301 wrote: But Goku had a Halo over his head which means he is dead and he was brought back to life with the dragon balls which means he was dead but came back to life with the dragon balls. So the body you see is actually his soul.

Kakarrot wrote:
wrong, The battle with Nappa, vs Vegeta, vs gyniu and Vs Freeza show how much he can go without going Supersaiyan, he transform because King kai told him, and he said but that will make it too easy.

A blood thirsty Goku would fire a kameha at full power, or all his energy concentrate in his fist.
Or all his ki energy in a kienzan. Disc Ki

Ki, life force energy, is an energy that Superman has never faze, is not heat, and is not bombs, is destructive power goes to microscopics levels as show when Gohan Kill Cell.

Just to destroy the moon, all the bombs of earth combine could not do it, put those bombs in the core and the moon will break, but with time Gravity will bring it back. What ki from Roshi did was pulverize it.

For speed, Goku use his ki to burst and go faster than he is, but he fly slower than when he fights, he is so fast that just as kid will create an after image and go behind the enemy
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When he burst his ki he goes faster, even if is a heart beat moment, he kicks, dodge, punch going at that speed
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Adapting this speed to 100 g as his normal, every burst of ki goes beyond, and then SS.

The only reason that you have an argument to say Goku is slow is Toriyama never care to put timeframes, and their flying top is what Gotenks did, around the world dozens of times, but Goku move faster than sound before he learn to fly. And they move faster than their flying when they burst their ki

Mystic Kal-El wrote:

Superman has taken mocrioscopic attacks I believe.But I can’t found the scan right now.

Kakarrot wrote:
wrong, The battle with Nappa, vs Vegeta, vs gyniu and Vs Freeza show how much he can go without going Supersaiyan, he transform because King kai told him, and he said but that will make it too easy.

Mystic Kal-El wrote:
But the thing is Goku said that he couldn’t handle that much himself.

Kakarrot wrote: A blood thirsty Goku would fire a kameha at full power, or all his energy concentrate in his fist.
Or all his ki energy in a kienzan. Disc Ki

Mystic Kal-El wrote:
And Superman can just easily avoid it.

Ki, life force energy, is an energy that Superman has never faze, is not heat, and is not bombs, is destructive power goes to microscopics levels as show when Gohan Kill Cell.

Mystic Kal-El wrote:
Superman has taken mocrioscopic attacks I believe.But I can’t found the scan right now.

Just to destroy the moon, all the bombs of earth combine could not do it, put those bombs in the core and the moon will break, but with time Gravity will bring it back. What ki from Roshi did was pulverize it.

For speed, Goku use his ki to burst and go faster than he is, but he fly slower than when he fights, he is so fast that just as kid will create an after image and go behind the enemy
123

When he burst his ki he goes faster, even if is a heart beat moment, he kicks, dodge, punch going at that speed
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Adapting this speed to 100 g as his normal, every burst of ki goes beyond, and then SS.

The only reason that you have an argument to say Goku is slow is Toriyama never care to put timeframes, and their flying top is what Gotenks did, around the world dozens of times, but Goku move faster than sound before he learn to fly. And they move faster than their flying when they burst their ki

Mystic Kal-El wrote:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Here’s Superman vibrating himself invisible.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/553/supermaninvisible44zc.jpg

Rorschach wrote:

That is true, I remember there was a scan of Atom in Superman’s head I think it was in Countdown to Final Crisis, were Atom said even Superman’s atoms were super dense.

Kakarrot wrote:


What he said is “I won’t be able to move” as he was NOT powering up in any way, he still was levitating in the air, you try the same in your gym, try to bench 60 kilos, then put 15 kilos in each arm and legs and try to box and kick, to do the first is easier than the second

Remember when Gyniu change body with Goku? He has a power level inferior to krillin, and goku said that was because his power is a combination of his mind and body to powering up, that allow him to have more strength, to go zoom in a heart beat, to multiplying his speed, and to endurance and resist, like when he use his finger with trunks, the training with 8 tons/40 tons was being made by Goku in his relax form.

Here is three statement about burst of Ki and how that is the difference than the others, only Vegeta learn it by himself









I won’t deny that he could, but as I stated before, things like solar flare, after image or teleport will come in handy, and also that Goku using his energy to boost his speed in burst.



My point was Superman has never faze Ki energy, I would like to see what kind of microscopic attack and from who he received, and I don’t mean to say Ki would kill him, he can resist, but the kameha is doormant Ki concentrate into one point and send directed to one point of his body , with the power of destroy a planet (or more) change to a beam, it could affect Superman, IMO





I never deny Superman’s speed, Goku was invisible to Kami who can sense presence and Ki, and can watch the world with his eyes, my point is that using his power in burst, Goku would catch up with Superman, there is an advantage to Sups, is if they make a race flying, Superman will win, Goku can not use his ki to up his speed longer times, only like a explosion, or zoom like he explain to krillin, and Gyniu, he would only be as same like Gotenks probably, is for short distances/ moments is different.

Rorschach wrote:

That is true, I remember there was a scan of Atom in Superman’s head I think it was in Countdown to Final Crisis, were Atom said even Superman’s atoms were super dense.

Radamanthis wrote:



I imaging Freeza and Cell having dense bodies too, Buu is a especial case control of his body, he decide when he is dense, combine with the power of regenarate, and he also go liquid and ruber like.

Radamanthis wrote:

Yes, the speed/strenght work in burst, and for Goku who resist higher gravity, pass light in burst is what they do. as Kakarrot show with his scan, Popo teach Goku to be quiet as the sky, and faster than lightning, is sure that by the end of the manga they do faster than lightning and beyond light speed.