| 21 Aug 2008 02:10 am |
Beyond Infinity Rep: 37  Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 6,699 OFFLINE | NeonMan5 wrote:
Of course we have free will. But many don’t knopw how to use it properly.
I say, since we were given the gift of free will, why not use it?
Great advice I’m gonna piss in dick Cheneys cup now
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| 21 Aug 2008 02:21 am |
sensfan Guest | If you buy a house or a car its not free but its free will of being able to own these great things and being able to have sex and feel is free will and making yourself comfortable can be free will. If you get married nothings stopping you so that would be free will but you have to earn this to be able to have free will in the future. But most important is getting to live a life thats the biggest free will youll have. Its almost like a power for ex if you want to become the best artist ever that relys on your ambition same as potential these actions get you far and its all because of free will but theres of course science which give all the info on how these urges and masturbation happen. | |
| 21 Aug 2008 02:37 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 22 Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 1,277 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
Before I can select “yes” or “no”, I think it is important to come to an agreement on WHAT freewill means. If we are talking about higher consciousness only, then I’d say, Yes we do... but if we are including subconscious, causality, and molecular levels of equations, then I’d say No we don’t.
Yes..i agree with khorib...!! I also have a yes n a no to answer....!!!
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| 21 Aug 2008 02:44 am |
Beyond Infinity Rep: 37Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 6,699 OFFLINE | dukedas wrote:
Khorib wrote:
Before I can select “yes” or “no”, I think it is important to come to an agreement on WHAT freewill means. If we are talking about higher consciousness only, then I’d say, Yes we do... but if we are including subconscious, causality, and molecular levels of equations, then I’d say No we don’t.
Yes..i agree with khorib...!! I also have a yes n a no to answer....!!!
Damn you God and your complex algorithms!
I stand out in a crowd!
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| 21 Aug 2008 02:58 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 22Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 1,277 OFFLINE | 1outofDAinfinite wrote:
dukedas wrote:
Khorib wrote:
Before I can select “yes” or “no”, I think it is important to come to an agreement on WHAT freewill means. If we are talking about higher consciousness only, then I’d say, Yes we do... but if we are including subconscious, causality, and molecular levels of equations, then I’d say No we don’t.
Yes..i agree with khorib...!! I also have a yes n a no to answer....!!!
Damn you God and your complex algorithms!
Did i..?? ha ha...!!
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SKITTLES666 wrote: Are you a guy or a girl?
girl right??
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| 21 Aug 2008 03:01 am |
Beyond Infinity Rep: 37Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 6,699 OFFLINE | dukedas wrote:
1outofDAinfinite wrote:
dukedas wrote:
Khorib wrote:
Before I can select “yes” or “no”, I think it is important to come to an agreement on WHAT freewill means. If we are talking about higher consciousness only, then I’d say, Yes we do... but if we are including subconscious, causality, and molecular levels of equations, then I’d say No we don’t.
Yes..i agree with khorib...!! I also have a yes n a no to answer....!!!
Damn you God and your complex algorithms!
Did i..?? ha ha...!!
Wut?
I stand out in a crowd!
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| 21 Aug 2008 03:25 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 22Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 1,277 OFFLINE | 1outofDAinfinite wrote:
dukedas wrote:
1outofDAinfinite wrote:
dukedas wrote:
Khorib wrote:
Before I can select “yes” or “no”, I think it is important to come to an agreement on WHAT freewill means. If we are talking about higher consciousness only, then I’d say, Yes we do... but if we are including subconscious, causality, and molecular levels of equations, then I’d say No we don’t.
Yes..i agree with khorib...!! I also have a yes n a no to answer....!!!
Damn you God and your complex algorithms!
Did i..?? ha ha...!!
Wut?
Nothing....  I asked u if i made u complex...!!
TheTerminator wrote:
SKITTLES666 wrote: Are you a guy or a girl?
girl right??
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| 21 Aug 2008 04:56 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 40 Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,980 OFFLINE | We have free will. The problem is most of the ppl do not use it. They just conform to the way society wants them cos that way they have an easier life. Better to fit in then be your own person that thinks for them self. Apart from the select few most ppl are like sheep, whether they would admit it or even know it. | |
| 21 Aug 2008 02:14 pm |
Banned Rep: 51 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,795 OFFLINE | Atresac wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Everything that happens is determined by what happened before. Our actions are inevitable consequences of the events leading up to the action and this fact makes it impossible for anyone to do anything that is truly free.
You, your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules. Who you are is nothing but a pack of neurons.
except that not every little thing can be determined like that.
If you want to go by that kind of definition, which is a flawed one in and of itself, not every little thing is determined as such. A typo, nope. If you blink once more in one minute than you did before, nope. Even if it’s tiny, free will does exist because those things can’t really be considered our brains doing that work on its own.
Not everything can be explained by science. There’s some experiment or something that pretty much kicks all of our ideas of physics in the nuts by some subatomic particles acting batshit normally, but when inspected seem totally fine.
A typo is a mistake, so it doesn’t go into the category of free will. A blink is caused by a center in your brain to remove irritants from your eye and to spread tears. It’s a reflex that you do every 1 to 10 seconds and can’t control most of the time if you aren’t thinking about it.
When you do notice that you’re doing it and are purposely doing it, it is nothing more than an illusion of free will. Sure you may think you are choosing to blink, but really it is caused by factors unknown to you. You don’t know which of your actions are actually “free” and which you can manage, or whether you just have an illusion of freedom because humans are blind to the laws and forces that we assume there is no management at all. This gap in our perception is what we call “free will”.
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| 21 Aug 2008 05:18 pm |
you are smart Rep: 50 Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,695 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Atresac wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Everything that happens is determined by what happened before. Our actions are inevitable consequences of the events leading up to the action and this fact makes it impossible for anyone to do anything that is truly free.
You, your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules. Who you are is nothing but a pack of neurons.
except that not every little thing can be determined like that.
If you want to go by that kind of definition, which is a flawed one in and of itself, not every little thing is determined as such. A typo, nope. If you blink once more in one minute than you did before, nope. Even if it’s tiny, free will does exist because those things can’t really be considered our brains doing that work on its own.
Not everything can be explained by science. There’s some experiment or something that pretty much kicks all of our ideas of physics in the nuts by some subatomic particles acting batshit normally, but when inspected seem totally fine.
A typo is a mistake, so it doesn’t go into the category of free will. A blink is caused by a center in your brain to remove irritants from your eye and to spread tears. It’s a reflex that you do every 1 to 10 seconds and can’t control most of the time if you aren’t thinking about it.
When you do notice that you’re doing it and are purposely doing it, it is nothing more than an illusion of free will. Sure you may think you are choosing to blink, but really it is caused by factors unknown to you. You don’t know which of your actions are actually “free” and which you can manage, or whether you just have an illusion of freedom because humans are blind to the laws and forces that we assume there is no management at all. This gap in our perception is what we call “free will”.
the mistake is something our brain doesn’t determine. It’s just a mistake.
Free will exists. For example, I *choose* to call you a tool for just buying whatever bullshit dribble is fed to you because some scientists say so.
But there’s no way to even know if we have free will because yo guess what: most of our brain we have no idea what the fuck it’s doing. We know it’s there but not what it’s doing.
Also, if you apparently believe that everything that happens can’t be stopped, then I guess you believe in fate and destiny now too? It only makes sense, but all three are retarded.
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| 21 Aug 2008 05:21 pm |
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| 23 Aug 2008 01:53 am |
serpent of the east Rep: 58 Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 6,857 OFFLINE | we have a free will of the moment but after the moment is out of our hands...
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| 23 Aug 2008 02:54 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,795 OFFLINE | Atresac wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Atresac wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Everything that happens is determined by what happened before. Our actions are inevitable consequences of the events leading up to the action and this fact makes it impossible for anyone to do anything that is truly free.
You, your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules. Who you are is nothing but a pack of neurons.
except that not every little thing can be determined like that.
If you want to go by that kind of definition, which is a flawed one in and of itself, not every little thing is determined as such. A typo, nope. If you blink once more in one minute than you did before, nope. Even if it’s tiny, free will does exist because those things can’t really be considered our brains doing that work on its own.
Not everything can be explained by science. There’s some experiment or something that pretty much kicks all of our ideas of physics in the nuts by some subatomic particles acting batshit normally, but when inspected seem totally fine.
A typo is a mistake, so it doesn’t go into the category of free will. A blink is caused by a center in your brain to remove irritants from your eye and to spread tears. It’s a reflex that you do every 1 to 10 seconds and can’t control most of the time if you aren’t thinking about it.
When you do notice that you’re doing it and are purposely doing it, it is nothing more than an illusion of free will. Sure you may think you are choosing to blink, but really it is caused by factors unknown to you. You don’t know which of your actions are actually “free” and which you can manage, or whether you just have an illusion of freedom because humans are blind to the laws and forces that we assume there is no management at all. This gap in our perception is what we call “free will”.
the mistake is something our brain doesn’t determine. It’s just a mistake.
Free will exists. For example, I *choose* to call you a tool for just buying whatever bullshit dribble is fed to you because some scientists say so.
But there’s no way to even know if we have free will because yo guess what: most of our brain we have no idea what the fuck it’s doing. We know it’s there but not what it’s doing.
Also, if you apparently believe that everything that happens can’t be stopped, then I guess you believe in fate and destiny now too? It only makes sense, but all three are retarded.
Yes, in a way I do now believe in destiny. What’s your point? Your brain activity is a slave to the laws of physics. You can’t deny that. Everything that happens is a result of what happened before.
And since when are scientific studies considered bullshit? Many scientists and philosophers today are convinced we have no free will, and they have used scientific experiments to test it. Just because you’re calling it bullshit or my sources bullshit doesn’t make it so. If you want to call it bullshit then fine but you’lle have to prove it. If you want to say free will exists, then prove it. Because neither of us will be able to satisfactorily convince the other of our position with how well we can speak. We need credible sources.
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| 23 Aug 2008 03:28 pm |
Nervin117 Guest | Ram, todays scientists also admit they have very little understanding as to how the Human mind works. We do have free will, just in a different sense. | |
| 23 Aug 2008 04:03 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,795 OFFLINE | There is more to determinism than the human mind. Geneticists tell us that there is a gene in us for everything including our desires. They have identified which genes will predispose a person to have good or criminal behavior, addiction, or sexual response. And let us not forget the environment, which is possibly the most influential factor. Oh, and let’s not forget cause and effect. ---
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| 23 Aug 2008 10:24 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69 Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | Do you wish to confine your entire self being to something like that? Well, be my guest. I believe there is more too it though. | |
| 25 Aug 2008 12:24 am |
serpent of the east Rep: 58Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 6,857 OFFLINE | this is one of the reasons the phrase “ignorance is bliss” is all the more true... | |
| 25 Aug 2008 02:23 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14 Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,082 OFFLINE | min0r = n0 18 = s0mewhat 21 = yes ---
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