The whole point of Mystic was Gohan did his whole SSJ power up but retained his full power in his base form so he could constantly be at his maximum potential, but obviously in GT he can go SSJ witch is an error in itself lol as he shouldent even need the transformation now
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The candy ray failed to hit Kid Buu point Blank and in Gt it failed to nail Babi, were as Gohan has dodged point blanker’s from Super Buu and even disrupted Buu’s own blast inside of him, he also told Buu he would have to wipe out the entire earth just to have a chance of nailing him with a blast meaning he can cover at least 25,000 mile’s almost instantly if DBZ earth is the same size as our own that is?
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First off Superbuu is nowhere near 6 times stronger than Kid Buu, the only difference between Kid Buu and SuperBuu is the presence of FatBuu, which would not give him that huge of a energy difference, 2-2.5 times max. By the way there are no official power levels after the Freiza Saga, sorry to burst your bubble, anybody who is knowledgeable with DBZ could tell you that. Majuub is much stronger than Super Buu, since Uub post Goku training was stronger than kid buu, by quite a large margin. He was even with Adult GT GOku, who would in turn be as strong or stronger than his SSJ3 Kid GT version, Uub was on par with SSJ3 Kid GT goku who was many times stronger, atleast 10 times stronger than kid buu. Add the power of mr Buu, and you have somebody who is 15-20 times stronger than Kid Buu. So even if you are right and Super BUu was 6 times stronger than Kid Buu, which he is not, but Majuub would still be 3 times stronger than SuperBuu which is a bigger gap that Gohan, who is at his best twice as strong SuperBuu, hence why he could not beat super buu gotenks absorbed who was only slightly stronger than 2 times the strength of normal super buu. So at the least Majuub is 1.5 times stronger than Mystic Gohan, at the most he would be 6-8 times stronger. SSJ1 Goku Kid GT 2 times kid Buu, SSJ2 Goku GT 5 times stronger than kid buu, SSJ3 Kid GT Goku 10 times stronger than Kid Buu, which is also stronger than both superbuu and mystic gohan. So Uub = SSJ3 kid Goku, Majuub= 2 times SSJ3 Kid Goku, and much stronger than either super buu or mystic gohan. Gohan loses his mystic powerup because he doesn’t train. That is why he goes SSJ again in GT. IT is true, I have been the first to admit it, I am not a huge fan of Dragonball GT, I much prefer DBZ. But I am not going to say that everybody in GT is weaker than everyone in Z just because I like Z better.
you know what you’re right. after freiza there was no mention of power levels on the show. But Im not going by the show im going by the official manga powerlvls, and if there are no power lvls after frieza then what did you use in your earlier post. super buu is tonger than ssj3 goku. Now your whole assumption is based on the notion that in between z and gt goku’s power went up by some enormous rate even though he didn’t fight anybody during that time. Now that could be completely possible, but if goku came to gt stronger than mystic gohan then he would have unimaginable strength compared to every one else. You know what to tell you the truth if kyle knights post didn’t change your mind I can’t really do anything that will. but my last point just because uub is the reincarnation of buu dosen’t mean he’s just as strong.
Goku’s goal was to make uub as strong as kid buu to be able to fight him. After they are done training Goku said that he had far exceeded his expectations. Goku was constantly training with Uub for 10 years. Look and the power increases that occured in DBZ by training, Look at Goku, Gohan, Vegeta and Trunks in the Hyperbolic time Chamber. Goku became several times stronger in one years time, even though for most of the time he was just trying to help gohan because he was much stronger than Gohan for about 90% of the time in the chamber. Now multiply that training by 10 and you get the power difference between the end of Z Goku and Beginning of GT GOKU. Please show me official manga powerlevels then. Even if they are official there are no official powerlevels for GT so there is nothing to compare them to. I know that Superbuu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku in DBZ, but he is not stronger than SSJ3 Kid Goku GT. If UUb wasn’t stronger than Kid Buu, how does he compete even for a little while with 3 Form Bebi Vegeta who is many many times stronger than kid Buu. 3 Form Bebi is about 20 times stronger than kid buu. IF Form 3 bebi vegeta would have been 20 times stronger than Uub, he would have killed him instantly. If you are two times stronger than somebody in GT or DBZ you will completely dominate them, if you are 20 times stronger, that = instant death. Back to the subject on Adult GT GOku, Base Gt Goku would have been as strong as Form 1 Bebi Vegeta, his SSJ Version would have been above Bebi’s Form 3, his SSJ 3 would have been a challenge for Oozaru bebi, if he would have went ssj4 he would have been been 15-20 times stronger than Oozaru Bebi, and even 3-4 times stronger than omega Shenron. So pilaf really did the GT villains a favor by turning GT goku into a kid. As a kid he is only about 1/5 the power of his adult self, but that being said, Kid GT goku is still much more powerful than his Buu Saga Self, atleast 5 times stronger. I would say that Adult GT Goku is about 20-25 time stronger than he was in Buu Saga. Goku in GT was much much stronger than anybody else in GT, nobody came close to him. He was slightly stronger than uub in his base form, which means he would be much much stronger than Uub in his SSJ3 form. Nobody would have been even close to Goku in his SSJ3 Adult form. Even in his Kid Form which was much weaker he took on Gohan and Goten as SSJ1-2 while he was in base form. Imagine what he could have done 5 times stronger as an adult. None of the Z figthers, not gohan, vegeta, trunks, goten, uub, nobody was even close to where Goku was.
videl vs bardock. Hell ssj2 goku was holding up against kid buu. And you’re right z power lvls don’t compare to gt. But gt power lvls don’t compare to af. And in af gohan can go ssj4. I’m just saying. So if you mean can z gohan beat gt majuub. Then I really don’t think we can accurately compare since the two shows are made by different people. And just like z power lvls don’t have anything to do with gt characters, gt characters don’t have anything to do with z.And besides majuub come on man. Google dbz official powerlvls or ask on the forum.
All I know is that the only comparison that we have from GT to Z is that Rildo is much stronger than Kid Buu. All my comparisons come from that bit of information. DBGT creators decided that they were going to make Goku the strongest again, and not just the strongest in GT but the strongest in any Dragonball series, by making GT goku literally over a hundred times stronger than kid buu, they made him stronger than any unfused being in DBZ, and many of the fused beings as well. So if Rildo is aroun 2 times KId Buu That makes SSJ3 Kid Goku 10-12 times stronger than kid buu, depending on how you put the SSJ multipliers in GT. THat would make bebe Vegeta Form 3 20-24 times stronger than Kid Buu, and SSJ4 goku and Oozaru Bebe 200-230 times stronger than kid buu. Now majuub isn’t anywhere close to this power, but he is around form 3 bebi’s power which puts him around 20 times stronger than kid buu. Even at his best I could not put Mystic Gohan any stronger than 5-6 times stronger than Kid buu, but even with your logic he would be at most 12 times stronger than kid buu. That still would be less than 20 times stronger.
Final Warrior wrote:
I think gohan is stronger than all other GT characters for the simple reason Gohans full potential is released and it is stated and said that goku has less potential than gohan so automatically means that no matter how strong goku got (SS 1 billion it) he would be wekaer than Gohan cuase gohan has all his power released and even if goku got his released he would still be weaker but i am sure there are people who would argue otherwise.
SO a SSJ10, if it existed, for example would get his butt kicked by gotenks absorbed buu??? Wow that is news to me. All Gohan had was the maximum potential for his body at that time.
My God if people wan’t to see how badly Gohan own’s veiw this,
Grey Buu alone was superior to Kid Buu nevermind Super Buu, as the video surggest’s Grey Buu raped Mr Buu flawlessly before ever mergeing to become Super Buu thus at the end of DBZ even IF! let’s say Uub was anywere close to being as strong as Kid Buu Goku beating him in base form is still not that impressive to the overall comparison of Mystic Gohan’s strenth, being as he raped Super Buu who was clearly more than 2wice as powerful as Kid Buu.
(also to note even Vegeta said at the end of DBZ he and Goku would have needed a whole planet as an arena if they had fought at the end of DBZ showing Uub was nowere near Kid Buu as that’s what was used as Goku SSJ3 and Kid Buu’s battleground).
Uub vs Goku
Kid Buu vs Goku SSJ3
Another important factor as to why Omniblast’s Power Level system is flawed is this, SSJ is said to be 50 time’s base form’s strenth alone not includeing SSJ2 or SSJ3 witch would time’s SSJ by an even greater unknown factor, so in reality what he is implying is Goku at the end of DBZ had more than grown over 50 time’s his strenth and then some to match Uub who he belive’s is on par with Kid Buu (witch by compareing statement’s and battle data is complete BS).
Now even after 10yr’s training on how to use his ability’s Uub is shown as weaker than Super Buu was previously in DBZ,
Goku vs Uub
Note: Uub and Goku were barely able to scrach the lookout dureing their battle within it, and Uub was giveing his all.
Gotenk’s SSJ3 vs Super Buu
Note: Super Buu waist’s the lookout with ease fighting Gotenk’s SSJ3 proveing he is far stronger than Uub was at the beggining of DBGT.
Id also like to respond to the Goku theory Omniblast has been posting about his power growth between both series, You haven’t countered for his loss in strenth that becomeing a child bestowed on him, Goku became comperitively weak in his child form due to his small frame not withstanding the high ammount’s of energy that SSJ3 form demand’s of him barely lasting 30 second’s to a minute within the transformation.
In his Adult form he was no doubt stronger than Z Goku but not by all that much, you see SSJ alone is 50 time’s one’s strenth so after Z to the tornament Goku trained alone as Gohan retired and Vegeta trained alone (Trunk’s and Goten slacked of aswell) and Goku dident alway’s devote himself to training as in GT their are flashback’s of him relaxing at the beach attending his son’s wedding and playing with Pan, Plus without the Timechammber’s or otherworld’s vast and harsh trainning or any enemy’s or near death experiance’s or partner’s Goku’s power would not have changed all that much in 10yrs deffinately growing nowere close to 50 time’s his previouse power in Z.
After meeting Uub and training for 10yrs we know Uub was probably close to Kid Buu in term’s of power excludeing Buu’s tech’s, So Goku’s base Form at the start of DBGT is most likely on par with Kid Buu’s strenth from Z assumeing Goku made up fot the previouse 10yr lapse this time around, but then is reduced sadly because of Palif’s wish to make him a child again witch by feat’s make’s Goku pathetic untill SSJ as Kid Goku base form is seen being tossed aside by Pan who is <<<<Uub’s power even at the end of DBZ.
General Lock was also stated as on par with Kid Buu’s power yet Trunk’s deny’s these aligation’s and to be fair Goku had not fought Kid Buu in 20yr’s and had gone through some power change’s himself, also estimateing Lock’s power would be difficult due to him being in his base form at the time Goku made this assumption (even Pan could floor Lock in his base form and hurt him to a degree lol, so base form lock was no Kid Buu just throwing that out their ok).
When turning into Hyper-Mega-Lock Goku say’s that’s more like it and that’s more like the power he was senceing from him earlier on so Goku become’s SSJ to fight him (now it’s anyone’s guess if Goku’s child Form SSJ was a match for Kid Buu but id have to say nope).
1. Goku was a kid again even timesing it by 50 wouldent equate Kid Buu’s Power Level to be fair, and that’s even takeing into account the battle’s Goku had up intill that point in GT.
2. When Lock take’s his final form he own’s SSJ Kid Goku painfully forceing Goku into hideing were he eventually hunt’s down and defeat’s him thus Lock = Kid Buu > Kid Goku SSJ
3. Kid Buu matched SSJ3 Goku 2wice Vegeta SSJ2 2wice and MR Buu and also was alot more versatile than lock not depending on a planet as a power source
Goku vs General Lock
The tally so far is:
Pan GT
Uub Child DBZ
General Lock Base Form GT
Kid Goku Base Form GT
Goku Adult Base DBZ
Hyper Mega Lock GT
Uub Adult GT
Goku Base Adult GT
General Lock 3rd Form GT
Kid Buu DBZ
Goku SSJ3 DBZ
- people ubove and beyond Uub currently are,
Grey Buu - owned Mr Buu flawlessly, Kid Buu struggles
Majuub - Mr Buu and Kid Buu merged basicaly
Super Buu - more than 2wice Kid Buu’s strenth Grey + Mr Buu
Gotenk’s SSJ3 - SSJ Gotenk’s could beat Mr Buu nuff said
Super Piccolo Buu - Super Buu is Gotenk’s equal so...
Mystic Gohan - destroy’s Super Buu effortlessly.
Now basically Majuub is Uub fused with Mr Buu right the one who is weakened when Evil Grey Buu is born so mergeing them together would equate to Super Buu’s strenth, witch is terribly beaten by Mystic Gohan without any trouble, and as Grey Buu > Kid Buu The Super Buu merger is stronger than the Uub Mr Buu merger, and generaly cus Uub is Kid Buu in power just not ability lol.
So Gohan win’s this without much effort
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Haha the evil buu fat buu mix up. People tend to get a wrong assumption about evil buu. When fat buu made evil buu Fat buu’s powre was SPLIT. Most of that power whent to eveil buu making fat buu mutch weaker then Eveil buu who got most of fat buu’s power in the split. thats why kid buu and fat buu were able to excite at the same time b/c fat buu created another buu with his own power.
The fight you see with fat and evil buu is just a very weak fat buu and a meadium strength eveil buu. reason why buu gets stronger then before when he absourbs fat buu is the same reason why kid buu was stronger then fat buu he is less held back and uncontrolable. The show should have ened here with the z fighters coming in a killing 2 of the weakest buu’s on the show
That’s what im saying Fat Buu was weaker after the split and Grey Buu owned him flawlessly yet Kid Buu has some trouble hence Kid Buu and Mr Buu are the weakest of the Buu’s
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Kyle Knight wrote:
That’s what im saying Fat Buu was weaker after the split and Grey Buu owned him flawlessly yet Kid Buu has some trouble hence Kid Buu and Mr Buu are the weakest of the Buu’s
Yet Fat Buu wasn’t as determined to beat Evil Buu as he was to beat superbuu. And SS3 Goku had control of the fight when he was buying trunks some time. So Fat Buu prior to power split was weaker than SS3 Goku but Kid Buu was stronger? And Super Buu was even stronger than him? Technically couldn’t have pan inherited (misspelled) Gohan’s mystic power ergo
trunks said that she could be more powerful than him when she gets angry. (even though trunks had super saiyan at his arsenal.
“In his Adult form he was no doubt stronger than Z Goku but not by all that much, you see SSJ alone is 50 time’s one’s strenth so after Z to the tornament Goku trained alone as Gohan retired and Vegeta trained alone (Trunk’s and Goten slacked of aswell) and Goku dident alway’s devote himself to training as in GT their are flashback’s of him relaxing at the beach attending his son’s wedding and playing with Pan, Plus without the Timechammber’s or otherworld’s vast and harsh trainning or any enemy’s or near death experiance’s or partner’s Goku’s power would not have changed all that much in 10yrs deffinately growing nowere close to 50 time’s his previouse power in Z."
Goku was surprised that Gohan didn’t train after the cell games. He assumed that Gohan would have became much stronger after SEVEN years of peace. Now Imagine how much stronger Goku would get after TEN years even without the hyberbolic time chamber. Why would he expect Gohan (who he knows isn’t in to fighting) to continue his training while he decides to “relax” for ten years?
Also, as I said in another thread, throughout DBZ Goku has surpassed all of his adversaries. Vegeta has always been at least one step behind him after their first fight. After frieza, Goku discovered super saiyan full power, after cell not only did goku go ss2 but also ss3. So how much more powerful would Goku get after buu?
“General Lock was also stated as on par with Kid Buu’s power yet Trunk’s deny’s these aligation’s and to be fair Goku had not fought Kid Buu in 20yr’s and had gone through some power change’s himself, also estimateing Lock’s power would be difficult due to him being in his base form at the time Goku made this assumption (even Pan could floor Lock in his base form and hurt him to a degree lol, so base form lock was no Kid Buu just throwing that out their ok)."
Goku was aware of his power changes and he really was aware of Kid Buu’s power considering he trained nonstop with his reincarnation. Honestly, I wouldn’t take trunks word for any thing.
i support omniblast he is absouloutely rgiht about everything thanks omniblast for being smarter than all
these other people
And kid buu is stronger than super buu that is the only thing you got wrong it was stated by supreme kai that buu
in his original form was the strongest buu.
And majuub will beat gohan uub was stated to have the strength of kid buu and after all that intense training
goku and uub had uub had the strength almost of mystic
gohan not even including buu so that tells you majuub is stronger
give me stated proof of how super buu is stronger than kid
buu and give me proof that mystic gohan is stronger than
majuub no bs power levels
dbzfan4life wrote:
i support omniblast he is absouloutely rgiht about everything thanks omniblast for being smarter than all
these other people
And kid buu is stronger than super buu that is the only thing you got wrong it was stated by supreme kai that buu
in his original form was the strongest buu.
And majuub will beat gohan uub was stated to have the strength of kid buu and after all that intense training
goku and uub had uub had the strength almost of mystic
gohan not even including buu so that tells you majuub is stronger
give me stated proof of how super buu is stronger than kid
buu and give me proof that mystic gohan is stronger than
majuub no bs power levels
I’ve been trying to say that kid buu was stronger, but everyone seems to think that superbuu was stronger but that would mean that Fat Buu was stronger than kid buu (before evil buu was formed) which would make no sense
since Goku was able to have control of the fight against the fat buu but ran out of power against kid buu. Also, does no one remember the episode where the fat buu was removed from super buu? Goku and Vegeta commented on how his power level was actually INCREASING as a result.
Kyle Knight wrote:
ok let’s play this fair say Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu what possibly make’s you think Kid Buu can beat Gohan?
Well honestly I guess it would depend on how much stronger he is than super buu.
Gohan was stronger than SuperBuu but he was weaker than super buu plus Gotenks and Piccolo. But after the fusion ended even Goku thought that fusion was unecessary. He seemed rather eager to fight him until he absorbed Gohan. Now after everyone was removed from buu. You could tell that Goku wasn’t as confident as he was when he could have fought the “mostly piccolo” buu. So Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu before the absorbtions. And he also a bit more unpredictable... Now Gohan is fighting this guy’s reincarnation who was trained by Goku for ten years. Than he’s fused with the fat buu which give him a little bit more power and abilities.
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