Also Gohan really isn’t always smart fighter. He relies mostly on his power rather than his combat skills. Remember when he fought Cell? He didn’t even try because he was over confident(and had reason to be) but this confidence came when he reached a new level of power. Whenever gohan “realizes” that hes the best. But hes taken down easily by those who are actually stronger than him. (super buu+Gotenks) who goku lasted longer in a fight.
Kyle Knight wrote:
My God if people wan’t to see how badly Gohan own’s veiw this,
Grey Buu alone was superior to Kid Buu nevermind Super Buu, as the video surggest’s Grey Buu raped Mr Buu flawlessly before ever mergeing to become Super Buu thus at the end of DBZ even IF! let’s say Uub was anywere close to being as strong as Kid Buu Goku beating him in base form is still not that impressive to the overall comparison of Mystic Gohan’s strenth, being as he raped Super Buu who was clearly more than 2wice as powerful as Kid Buu.
(also to note even Vegeta said at the end of DBZ he and Goku would have needed a whole planet as an arena if they had fought at the end of DBZ showing Uub was nowere near Kid Buu as that’s what was used as Goku SSJ3 and Kid Buu’s battleground).
Uub vs Goku
Kid Buu vs Goku SSJ3
Another important factor as to why Omniblast’s Power Level system is flawed is this, SSJ is said to be 50 time’s base form’s strenth alone not includeing SSJ2 or SSJ3 witch would time’s SSJ by an even greater unknown factor, so in reality what he is implying is Goku at the end of DBZ had more than grown over 50 time’s his strenth and then some to match Uub who he belive’s is on par with Kid Buu (witch by compareing statement’s and battle data is complete BS).
Now even after 10yr’s training on how to use his ability’s Uub is shown as weaker than Super Buu was previously in DBZ,
Goku vs Uub
Note: Uub and Goku were barely able to scrach the lookout dureing their battle within it, and Uub was giveing his all.
Gotenk’s SSJ3 vs Super Buu
Note: Super Buu waist’s the lookout with ease fighting Gotenk’s SSJ3 proveing he is far stronger than Uub was at the beggining of DBGT.
Id also like to respond to the Goku theory Omniblast has been posting about his power growth between both series, You haven’t countered for his loss in strenth that becomeing a child bestowed on him, Goku became comperitively weak in his child form due to his small frame not withstanding the high ammount’s of energy that SSJ3 form demand’s of him barely lasting 30 second’s to a minute within the transformation.
In his Adult form he was no doubt stronger than Z Goku but not by all that much, you see SSJ alone is 50 time’s one’s strenth so after Z to the tornament Goku trained alone as Gohan retired and Vegeta trained alone (Trunk’s and Goten slacked of aswell) and Goku dident alway’s devote himself to training as in GT their are flashback’s of him relaxing at the beach attending his son’s wedding and playing with Pan, Plus without the Timechammber’s or otherworld’s vast and harsh trainning or any enemy’s or near death experiance’s or partner’s Goku’s power would not have changed all that much in 10yrs deffinately growing nowere close to 50 time’s his previouse power in Z.
After meeting Uub and training for 10yrs we know Uub was probably close to Kid Buu in term’s of power excludeing Buu’s tech’s, So Goku’s base Form at the start of DBGT is most likely on par with Kid Buu’s strenth from Z assumeing Goku made up fot the previouse 10yr lapse this time around, but then is reduced sadly because of Palif’s wish to make him a child again witch by feat’s make’s Goku pathetic untill SSJ as Kid Goku base form is seen being tossed aside by Pan who is <<<<Uub’s power even at the end of DBZ.
General Lock was also stated as on par with Kid Buu’s power yet Trunk’s deny’s these aligation’s and to be fair Goku had not fought Kid Buu in 20yr’s and had gone through some power change’s himself, also estimateing Lock’s power would be difficult due to him being in his base form at the time Goku made this assumption (even Pan could floor Lock in his base form and hurt him to a degree lol, so base form lock was no Kid Buu just throwing that out their ok).
When turning into Hyper-Mega-Lock Goku say’s that’s more like it and that’s more like the power he was senceing from him earlier on so Goku become’s SSJ to fight him (now it’s anyone’s guess if Goku’s child Form SSJ was a match for Kid Buu but id have to say nope).
1. Goku was a kid again even timesing it by 50 wouldent equate Kid Buu’s Power Level to be fair, and that’s even takeing into account the battle’s Goku had up intill that point in GT.
2. When Lock take’s his final form he own’s SSJ Kid Goku painfully forceing Goku into hideing were he eventually hunt’s down and defeat’s him thus Lock = Kid Buu > Kid Goku SSJ
3. Kid Buu matched SSJ3 Goku 2wice Vegeta SSJ2 2wice and MR Buu and also was alot more versatile than lock not depending on a planet as a power source
Goku vs General Lock
The tally so far is:
Pan GT
Uub Child DBZ
General Lock Base Form GT
Kid Goku Base Form GT
Goku Adult Base DBZ
Hyper Mega Lock GT
Uub Adult GT
Goku Base Adult GT
General Lock 3rd Form GT
Kid Buu DBZ
Goku SSJ3 DBZ
- people ubove and beyond Uub currently are,
Grey Buu - owned Mr Buu flawlessly, Kid Buu struggles
Majuub - Mr Buu and Kid Buu merged basicaly
Super Buu - more than 2wice Kid Buu’s strenth Grey + Mr Buu
Gotenk’s SSJ3 - SSJ Gotenk’s could beat Mr Buu nuff said
Super Piccolo Buu - Super Buu is Gotenk’s equal so...
Mystic Gohan - destroy’s Super Buu effortlessly.
Now basically Majuub is Uub fused with Mr Buu right the one who is weakened when Evil Grey Buu is born so mergeing them together would equate to Super Buu’s strenth, witch is terribly beaten by Mystic Gohan without any trouble, and as Grey Buu > Kid Buu The Super Buu merger is stronger than the Uub Mr Buu merger, and generaly cus Uub is Kid Buu in power just not ability lol.
So Gohan win’s this without much effort
And where you said Kid Buu was weaker than evil buu. Thats debatable, since it took some energy out of buu to make the evil buu he may not have been weaker so much as he was fatigued. And he may have recovered some more energy while he was inside of kid buu when he was removed by vegeta.
Kyle Knight wrote:
My God if people wan’t to see how badly Gohan own’s veiw this,
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Grey Buu alone was superior to Kid Buu nevermind Super Buu, as the video surggest’s Grey Buu raped Mr Buu flawlessly before ever mergeing to become Super Buu thus at the end of DBZ even IF! let’s say Uub was anywere close to being as strong as Kid Buu Goku beating him in base form is still not that impressive to the overall comparison of Mystic Gohan’s strenth, being as he raped Super Buu who was clearly more than 2wice as powerful as Kid Buu.
(also to note even Vegeta said at the end of DBZ he and Goku would have needed a whole planet as an arena if they had fought at the end of DBZ showing Uub was nowere near Kid Buu as that’s what was used as Goku SSJ3 and Kid Buu’s battleground).
Uub vs Goku
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Kid Buu vs Goku SSJ3
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Another important factor as to why Omniblast’s Power Level system is flawed is this, SSJ is said to be 50 time’s base form’s strenth alone not includeing SSJ2 or SSJ3 witch would time’s SSJ by an even greater unknown factor, so in reality what he is implying is Goku at the end of DBZ had more than grown over 50 time’s his strenth and then some to match Uub who he belive’s is on par with Kid Buu (witch by compareing statement’s and battle data is complete BS).
Now even after 10yr’s training on how to use his ability’s Uub is shown as weaker than Super Buu was previously in DBZ,
Goku vs Uub
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Note: Uub and Goku were barely able to scrach the lookout dureing their battle within it, and Uub was giveing his all.
Gotenk’s SSJ3 vs Super Buu
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Note: Super Buu waist’s the lookout with ease fighting Gotenk’s SSJ3 proveing he is far stronger than Uub was at the beggining of DBGT.
Id also like to respond to the Goku theory Omniblast has been posting about his power growth between both series, You haven’t countered for his loss in strenth that becomeing a child bestowed on him, Goku became comperitively weak in his child form due to his small frame not withstanding the high ammount’s of energy that SSJ3 form demand’s of him barely lasting 30 second’s to a minute within the transformation.
In his Adult form he was no doubt stronger than Z Goku but not by all that much, you see SSJ alone is 50 time’s one’s strenth so after Z to the tornament Goku trained alone as Gohan retired and Vegeta trained alone (Trunk’s and Goten slacked of aswell) and Goku dident alway’s devote himself to training as in GT their are flashback’s of him relaxing at the beach attending his son’s wedding and playing with Pan, Plus without the Timechammber’s or otherworld’s vast and harsh trainning or any enemy’s or near death experiance’s or partner’s Goku’s power would not have changed all that much in 10yrs deffinately growing nowere close to 50 time’s his previouse power in Z.
After meeting Uub and training for 10yrs we know Uub was probably close to Kid Buu in term’s of power excludeing Buu’s tech’s, So Goku’s base Form at the start of DBGT is most likely on par with Kid Buu’s strenth from Z assumeing Goku made up fot the previouse 10yr lapse this time around, but then is reduced sadly because of Palif’s wish to make him a child again witch by feat’s make’s Goku pathetic untill SSJ as Kid Goku base form is seen being tossed aside by Pan who is <<<<Uub’s power even at the end of DBZ.
General Lock was also stated as on par with Kid Buu’s power yet Trunk’s deny’s these aligation’s and to be fair Goku had not fought Kid Buu in 20yr’s and had gone through some power change’s himself, also estimateing Lock’s power would be difficult due to him being in his base form at the time Goku made this assumption (even Pan could floor Lock in his base form and hurt him to a degree lol, so base form lock was no Kid Buu just throwing that out their ok).
When turning into Hyper-Mega-Lock Goku say’s that’s more like it and that’s more like the power he was senceing from him earlier on so Goku become’s SSJ to fight him (now it’s anyone’s guess if Goku’s child Form SSJ was a match for Kid Buu but id have to say nope).
1. Goku was a kid again even timesing it by 50 wouldent equate Kid Buu’s Power Level to be fair, and that’s even takeing into account the battle’s Goku had up intill that point in GT.
2. When Lock take’s his final form he own’s SSJ Kid Goku painfully forceing Goku into hideing were he eventually hunt’s down and defeat’s him thus Lock = Kid Buu > Kid Goku SSJ
3. Kid Buu matched SSJ3 Goku 2wice Vegeta SSJ2 2wice and MR Buu and also was alot more versatile than lock not depending on a planet as a power source
Goku vs General Lock
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The tally so far is:
Pan GT
Uub Child DBZ
General Lock Base Form GT
Kid Goku Base Form GT
Goku Adult Base DBZ
Hyper Mega Lock GT
Uub Adult GT
Goku Base Adult GT
General Lock 3rd Form GT
Kid Buu DBZ
Goku SSJ3 DBZ
- people ubove and beyond Uub currently are,
Grey Buu - owned Mr Buu flawlessly, Kid Buu struggles
Majuub - Mr Buu and Kid Buu merged basicaly
Super Buu - more than 2wice Kid Buu’s strenth Grey + Mr Buu
Gotenk’s SSJ3 - SSJ Gotenk’s could beat Mr Buu nuff said
Super Piccolo Buu - Super Buu is Gotenk’s equal so...
Mystic Gohan - destroy’s Super Buu effortlessly.
Now basically Majuub is Uub fused with Mr Buu right the one who is weakened when Evil Grey Buu is born so mergeing them together would equate to Super Buu’s strenth, witch is terribly beaten by Mystic Gohan without any trouble, and as Grey Buu > Kid Buu The Super Buu merger is stronger than the Uub Mr Buu merger, and generaly cus Uub is Kid Buu in power just not ability lol.
So Gohan win’s this without much effort
And where you said Kid Buu was weaker than evil buu. Thats debatable, since it took some energy out of buu to make the evil buu he may not have been weaker so much as he was fatigued. And he may have recovered some more energy while he was inside of kid buu when he was removed by vegeta.
I am guessing I am never going to be able to convince you Kyle, my hope is that others who are unsure will be convinced though. We know that Uub is above Kid Buu, Goku made it is goal to make Uub as strong as kid buu and at the end of their training uub was said to have far exceeded Goku’s expectations. Obviously Uub wasn’t that strong when Goku first met him, he had never been trained or in a serious fight. That is like putting Gohan against Perfect Cell during the time they fought Raditz. Obviously Gohan would have been slaughtered. I know that my SSJ multipliers are off, but that is GT for you, they were not as consistent in the SSJ Multipliers. But actually I put Base Goku Adult GT at over 50 times more powerful than Base Goku Buu Saga. I have no idea how he got that strong but he is. Lets start with the the basis behind my logic. Rildo is 1.5-2 times stronger than kid buu, there is a rule that you have to remember when it comes to Dragonball Z/GT, whatever Goku says is law. Let me list some of the reasons why your logic is inferior. 1.Trunks never fought kid buu, he wasn’t even on the same planet as kid buu. 2. Trunks never fought Rildo at any stage. 3. Goku was the only one in GT beside Uub and Vegeta that had continued their training. His ability to sense power levels would not have decreased. 4. Goku had been training for 10 years with UUB the reincarnation of kid buu, he is very aware exactly what kid buu’s power feels like.
These are the reasons why to trust goku over trunks. SO goku says Lock is stronger than kid buu, then when he goes Hyper Lock Goku says that he was stronger than he originally expected, meaning he was much stronger than kid buu. Then he goes Metal rildo making him even stronger. SSJ1 Goku matches him blow for blow. Rildo only has the advantage because they are on his home planet.
That thing you were saying about the lookout. Of course they didn’t destroy the lookout, and it has nothing to do with power and everything to do with control. It is the same reason why the Z warriors don’t destroy the planet with every blast. on the other had you had super buu, who really didn’t care about the look out, and gotenks who did not know how to control his powers.
Actually I have accounted for Goku’s power loss in several different topics, I have said straight up that Kid GT Goku only has about 1/10 of the power of his Adult GT counterpart, but that Kid GT goku is still 6-7 times stronger than he was during the buu saga. I would say that Adult GT goku base form would be somewhere between first and second form bebi vegeta. SO I put base goku GT adult above his SSJ3 kid version. So base Goku GT Adult would be between 10-15 times stronger than kid buu. SSJ3 Adult GT Goku would have be close to Oozaru Bebi Vegeta power, and if he would have become SSJ4 he would have destroyed omega shenron.
Now about your statement that Goku could not get that much stronger in 10 years. Goku multiplied his power several times training one year in the hyperbolic time chamber, imagine how much stronger he could get in 10 years. Hyperbolic time chamber just lets you train faster, it doesn’t improve your training.
Pan got one hit in on lock, it is like Gohan nailing Freiza even though his power level was way lower.
But again lock wasn’t equal with Kid Buu he was much stronger.
Kyle Knight wrote:
My God if people wan’t to see how badly Gohan own’s veiw this,
Grey Buu alone was superior to Kid Buu nevermind Super Buu, as the video surggest’s Grey Buu raped Mr Buu flawlessly before ever mergeing to become Super Buu thus at the end of DBZ even IF! let’s say Uub was anywere close to being as strong as Kid Buu Goku beating him in base form is still not that impressive to the overall comparison of Mystic Gohan’s strenth, being as he raped Super Buu who was clearly more than 2wice as powerful as Kid Buu.
(also to note even Vegeta said at the end of DBZ he and Goku would have needed a whole planet as an arena if they had fought at the end of DBZ showing Uub was nowere near Kid Buu as that’s what was used as Goku SSJ3 and Kid Buu’s battleground).
Uub vs Goku
Kid Buu vs Goku SSJ3
Another important factor as to why Omniblast’s Power Level system is flawed is this, SSJ is said to be 50 time’s base form’s strenth alone not includeing SSJ2 or SSJ3 witch would time’s SSJ by an even greater unknown factor, so in reality what he is implying is Goku at the end of DBZ had more than grown over 50 time’s his strenth and then some to match Uub who he belive’s is on par with Kid Buu (witch by compareing statement’s and battle data is complete BS).
Now even after 10yr’s training on how to use his ability’s Uub is shown as weaker than Super Buu was previously in DBZ,
Goku vs Uub
Note: Uub and Goku were barely able to scrach the lookout dureing their battle within it, and Uub was giveing his all.
Gotenk’s SSJ3 vs Super Buu
Note: Super Buu waist’s the lookout with ease fighting Gotenk’s SSJ3 proveing he is far stronger than Uub was at the beggining of DBGT.
Id also like to respond to the Goku theory Omniblast has been posting about his power growth between both series, You haven’t countered for his loss in strenth that becomeing a child bestowed on him, Goku became comperitively weak in his child form due to his small frame not withstanding the high ammount’s of energy that SSJ3 form demand’s of him barely lasting 30 second’s to a minute within the transformation.
In his Adult form he was no doubt stronger than Z Goku but not by all that much, you see SSJ alone is 50 time’s one’s strenth so after Z to the tornament Goku trained alone as Gohan retired and Vegeta trained alone (Trunk’s and Goten slacked of aswell) and Goku dident alway’s devote himself to training as in GT their are flashback’s of him relaxing at the beach attending his son’s wedding and playing with Pan, Plus without the Timechammber’s or otherworld’s vast and harsh trainning or any enemy’s or near death experiance’s or partner’s Goku’s power would not have changed all that much in 10yrs deffinately growing nowere close to 50 time’s his previouse power in Z.
After meeting Uub and training for 10yrs we know Uub was probably close to Kid Buu in term’s of power excludeing Buu’s tech’s, So Goku’s base Form at the start of DBGT is most likely on par with Kid Buu’s strenth from Z assumeing Goku made up fot the previouse 10yr lapse this time around, but then is reduced sadly because of Palif’s wish to make him a child again witch by feat’s make’s Goku pathetic untill SSJ as Kid Goku base form is seen being tossed aside by Pan who is <<<<Uub’s power even at the end of DBZ.
General Lock was also stated as on par with Kid Buu’s power yet Trunk’s deny’s these aligation’s and to be fair Goku had not fought Kid Buu in 20yr’s and had gone through some power change’s himself, also estimateing Lock’s power would be difficult due to him being in his base form at the time Goku made this assumption (even Pan could floor Lock in his base form and hurt him to a degree lol, so base form lock was no Kid Buu just throwing that out their ok).
When turning into Hyper-Mega-Lock Goku say’s that’s more like it and that’s more like the power he was senceing from him earlier on so Goku become’s SSJ to fight him (now it’s anyone’s guess if Goku’s child Form SSJ was a match for Kid Buu but id have to say nope).
1. Goku was a kid again even timesing it by 50 wouldent equate Kid Buu’s Power Level to be fair, and that’s even takeing into account the battle’s Goku had up intill that point in GT.
2. When Lock take’s his final form he own’s SSJ Kid Goku painfully forceing Goku into hideing were he eventually hunt’s down and defeat’s him thus Lock = Kid Buu > Kid Goku SSJ
3. Kid Buu matched SSJ3 Goku 2wice Vegeta SSJ2 2wice and MR Buu and also was alot more versatile than lock not depending on a planet as a power source
Goku vs General Lock
The tally so far is:
Pan GT
Uub Child DBZ
General Lock Base Form GT
Kid Goku Base Form GT
Goku Adult Base DBZ
Hyper Mega Lock GT
Uub Adult GT
Goku Base Adult GT
General Lock 3rd Form GT
Kid Buu DBZ
Goku SSJ3 DBZ
- people ubove and beyond Uub currently are,
Grey Buu - owned Mr Buu flawlessly, Kid Buu struggles
Majuub - Mr Buu and Kid Buu merged basicaly
Super Buu - more than 2wice Kid Buu’s strenth Grey + Mr Buu
Gotenk’s SSJ3 - SSJ Gotenk’s could beat Mr Buu nuff said
Super Piccolo Buu - Super Buu is Gotenk’s equal so...
Mystic Gohan - destroy’s Super Buu effortlessly.
Now basically Majuub is Uub fused with Mr Buu right the one who is weakened when Evil Grey Buu is born so mergeing them together would equate to Super Buu’s strenth, witch is terribly beaten by Mystic Gohan without any trouble, and as Grey Buu > Kid Buu The Super Buu merger is stronger than the Uub Mr Buu merger, and generaly cus Uub is Kid Buu in power just not ability lol.
So Gohan win’s this without much effort
And where you said Kid Buu was weaker than evil buu. Thats debatable, since it took some energy out of buu to make the evil buu he may not have been weaker so much as he was fatigued. And he may have recovered some more energy while he was inside of kid buu when he was removed by vegeta.
I am guessing I am never going to be able to convince you Kyle, my hope is that others who are unsure will be convinced though. We know that Uub is above Kid Buu, Goku made it is goal to make Uub as strong as kid buu and at the end of their training uub was said to have far exceeded Goku’s expectations. Obviously Uub wasn’t that strong when Goku first met him, he had never been trained or in a serious fight. That is like putting Gohan against Perfect Cell during the time they fought Raditz. Obviously Gohan would have been slaughtered. I know that my SSJ multipliers are off, but that is GT for you, they were not as consistent in the SSJ Multipliers. But actually I put Base Goku Adult GT at over 50 times more powerful than Base Goku Buu Saga. I have no idea how he got that strong but he is. Lets start with the the basis behind my logic. Rildo is 1.5-2 times stronger than kid buu, there is a rule that you have to remember when it comes to Dragonball Z/GT, whatever Goku says is law. Let me list some of the reasons why your logic is inferior. 1.Trunks never fought kid buu, he wasn’t even on the same planet as kid buu. 2. Trunks never fought Rildo at any stage. 3. Goku was the only one in GT beside Uub and Vegeta that had continued their training. His ability to sense power levels would not have decreased. 4. Goku had been training for 10 years with UUB the reincarnation of kid buu, he is very aware exactly what kid buu’s power feels like.
These are the reasons why to trust goku over trunks. SO goku says Lock is stronger than kid buu, then when he goes Hyper Lock Goku says that he was stronger than he originally expected, meaning he was much stronger than kid buu. Then he goes Metal rildo making him even stronger. SSJ1 Goku matches him blow for blow. Rildo only has the advantage because they are on his home planet.
That thing you were saying about the lookout. Of course they didn’t destroy the lookout, and it has nothing to do with power and everything to do with control. It is the same reason why the Z warriors don’t destroy the planet with every blast. on the other had you had super buu, who really didn’t care about the look out, and gotenks who did not know how to control his powers.
Actually I have accounted for Goku’s power loss in several different topics, I have said straight up that Kid GT Goku only has about 1/10 of the power of his Adult GT counterpart, but that Kid GT goku is still 6-7 times stronger than he was during the buu saga. I would say that Adult GT goku base form would be somewhere between first and second form bebi vegeta. SO I put base goku GT adult above his SSJ3 kid version. So base Goku GT Adult would be between 10-15 times stronger than kid buu. SSJ3 Adult GT Goku would have be close to Oozaru Bebi Vegeta power, and if he would have become SSJ4 he would have destroyed omega shenron.
Now about your statement that Goku could not get that much stronger in 10 years. Goku multiplied his power several times training one year in the hyperbolic time chamber, imagine how much stronger he could get in 10 years. Hyperbolic time chamber just lets you train faster, it doesn’t improve your training.
Pan got one hit in on lock, it is like Gohan nailing Freiza even though his power level was way lower.
But again lock wasn’t equal with Kid Buu he was much stronger.
I agree with you except for what you said about kid goku’s power. I don’t think his power level changed at all. Rather his child body had many physical limitations that didn’t allow his to excersize his potential. Even as a Super saiyan 4 I would argue. Trunks, GT Trunks', opinion shouldn’t count at all. What does he know? Right? Like both of us said Goku trained with uub for ten years and fought kid buu first hand. He, of all people, would know how powerful Kid Buu was. The feats may say something different but ...its GT. Also, whose to say majin buu wasn’t training before he merged with uub. And if he wasn’t he didn’t get any weaker.
I do agree with you, I do think GT goku any form is more powerful than DBZ goku, but I see Base Adult GT goku just above UUB. And I see UUB at about the same power as Form 1 Bebe Vegeta, seeing as how he was able to fight form 3 bebe vegeta better than SSJ3 Goku fought form one. So i do think that is where we differ. I think Adult Base GT Goku could have given form 1 or 2 bebe vegeta a run for his money, where as kid gt goku even as a ssj3 did not stand a chance. Before I also use to state that Goku didn’t lose any power becoming a kid, but then when I saw that UUB was more powerful that SSJ3 Kid Goku, yet Adult Base Goku was slightly stronger than Uub, that is when I changed my mind, Other than that I think we agree on most everything else.
I use to also think that Goku didn’t lose any power when he was turned into a kid. But then when I watched the series again, I changed my mind. Uub was what changed my mind. I put Base Adult GT Goku slightly above Uub based on their training. I say both of them are right around Bebi Vegeta form 1 level, this is based off how UUb was able to hang in their for a while against a much stronger form 3 bebe vegeta. But goku even in his SSJ3 mode, was still slightly below form 1 bebe vegeta in Power, So i feel that. Goku Adult Base is actually stronger than his SSJ3 kid version, based off his training with uub and both his and uub’s fight with bebe vegeta.
sorry for posting the same thing basically twice, for some reason the first post did not show up on my screen I thought it did not go through. bUT yes Majuub is stronger, by a good margin too.
I’ve found out in the last two weeks or so since I’ve been posting on this site that if someone has their mind made up about something then they can’t be changed no matter how much information you show them. Omniblast I firmly disagree with you. But hey that’s what forums are for. I want to thank you for giving me something interesting to read no matter how wrong I BELIEVE it is. Kyle your post was so packed full of solid info and visual aids, I mean I know it took you a long time to do it. And it seems like all the time you wasted was just that a waste of time. So I know it already seems like I’m kissing your ass but I think credit should given where credit is due. Gohan would wup majuub into next week.
Ok hi all i just want to give me forts on this so dont get pissey at me if you dont like them
1/ Gohan was call the stronges in all of Dragonball Z (un fused) and we all know this is true
2/ all the end of Z Goku hadent traned in 10 years apart from a bit with Goten and Pan so in that time he may of gotten weka
3/ uub got leveled by Goku (like i said may of been weka) so at that time he was Shit sorry to say but its true
4/ Goku went of with Uub for 10 years and traned him when they came back they fort in the look out which was berly dameged so Uub cudent be that strong conperd to Super Buu and Gotencs SSJ3 they distrode the look out so at that time i would say he was as strong as Fat Buu at best
5/ GT tuck Mystic out becouse he was to strong which pissed toreama of but eney way Gohan after 20 years of not traning was still anuth to fight Goten and then Vagiter
6/ Uub fused with fat buu may is say a week as hell buu so at best Uub got as strong as super buu based of my forts erlyer
7/ Gohan with out traning for 20 years went toe to toe with grerul raldo which goku had trubel with and gohan was wining in till raldo used that metal move thing so gohan is still strong as hell in GT
So i would say that gohan in power would stomp Uub in to the ground and in skill he would as well resens wiy
1/ Gohan stared traning at a much yunger age at 5 and a harf where Uub was 10 Gohan was trand by Goku and Picallo
and then trand with a sword so all to gever Gohan is better trand
2/ Gohan has been in a lot more battals the Uub has such as Nappa, Vigiter, the ginye forse, frazzer, Cell, and the Buu him selth and then there are the moves but i wont go in to them yet so Gohan has moch more exsperans in battel
so all out i have to give it to Gohan i can not see a way that Uub can win this.
but like i said these are just my forts.
--- The Crinson eyes Of Demon eyes Kyo will Show you the sound of the WIND
God of Gods wrote:
Ok hi all i just want to give me forts on this so dont get pissey at me if you dont like them
1/ Gohan was call the stronges in all of Dragonball Z (un fused) and we all know this is true
2/ all the end of Z Goku hadent traned in 10 years apart from a bit with Goten and Pan so in that time he may of gotten weka
3/ uub got leveled by Goku (like i said may of been weka) so at that time he was Shit sorry to say but its true
4/ Goku went of with Uub for 10 years and traned him when they came back they fort in the look out which was berly dameged so Uub cudent be that strong conperd to Super Buu and Gotencs SSJ3 they distrode the look out so at that time i would say he was as strong as Fat Buu at best
5/ GT tuck Mystic out becouse he was to strong which pissed toreama of but eney way Gohan after 20 years of not traning was still anuth to fight Goten and then Vagiter
6/ Uub fused with fat buu may is say a week as hell buu so at best Uub got as strong as super buu based of my forts erlyer
7/ Gohan with out traning for 20 years went toe to toe with grerul raldo which goku had trubel with and gohan was wining in till raldo used that metal move thing so gohan is still strong as hell in GT
So i would say that gohan in power would stomp Uub in to the ground and in skill he would as well resens wiy
1/ Gohan stared traning at a much yunger age at 5 and a harf where Uub was 10 Gohan was trand by Goku and Picallo
and then trand with a sword so all to gever Gohan is better trand
2/ Gohan has been in a lot more battals the Uub has such as Nappa, Vigiter, the ginye forse, frazzer, Cell, and the Buu him selth and then there are the moves but i wont go in to them yet so Gohan has moch more exsperans in battel
so all out i have to give it to Gohan i can not see a way that Uub can win this.
but like i said these are just my forts.
We don’t know if Goku wasn’t training during the 10 years post buu. What we do know is that Goku expected Gohan to continue training after cell, so if he would expect his son (who doesn’t like fighting) to continue training during the seven peaceful years he would do the same thing during ten peaceful years. Also mystic Gohan was cocky, which was his down fall. Gohan in general would waste his time showing off before he actually finished off his opponants. He could have beaten super buu but he didn’t giving buu enough time to absorb piccolo and gotenks. It would depend on how mature Gohan was in this fight but I give it to uub. Ten years of training with Goku beats whatever gohan can do.
God of Gods wrote:
it is posabul but it means that it would be easa for him to get that power back and like i said GT lift mystic out on perpis
I don’t think so, if mystic was so useful then the elder kai would have just reunlocked gohan’s potential instead of ripping out Goku’s tail so he can go ss4.
God of Gods wrote:
Ok hi all i just want to give me forts on this so dont get pissey at me if you dont like them
1/ Gohan was call the stronges in all of Dragonball Z (un fused) and we all know this is true
2/ all the end of Z Goku hadent traned in 10 years apart from a bit with Goten and Pan so in that time he may of gotten weka
3/ uub got leveled by Goku (like i said may of been weka) so at that time he was Shit sorry to say but its true
4/ Goku went of with Uub for 10 years and traned him when they came back they fort in the look out which was berly dameged so Uub cudent be that strong conperd to Super Buu and Gotencs SSJ3 they distrode the look out so at that time i would say he was as strong as Fat Buu at best
5/ GT tuck Mystic out becouse he was to strong which pissed toreama of but eney way Gohan after 20 years of not traning was still anuth to fight Goten and then Vagiter
6/ Uub fused with fat buu may is say a week as hell buu so at best Uub got as strong as super buu based of my forts erlyer
7/ Gohan with out traning for 20 years went toe to toe with grerul raldo which goku had trubel with and gohan was wining in till raldo used that metal move thing so gohan is still strong as hell in GT
So i would say that gohan in power would stomp Uub in to the ground and in skill he would as well resens wiy
1/ Gohan stared traning at a much yunger age at 5 and a harf where Uub was 10 Gohan was trand by Goku and Picallo
and then trand with a sword so all to gever Gohan is better trand
2/ Gohan has been in a lot more battals the Uub has such as Nappa, Vigiter, the ginye forse, frazzer, Cell, and the Buu him selth and then there are the moves but i wont go in to them yet so Gohan has moch more exsperans in battel
so all out i have to give it to Gohan i can not see a way that Uub can win this.
but like i said these are just my forts.
We don’t know if Goku wasn’t training during the 10 years post buu. What we do know is that Goku expected Gohan to continue training after cell, so if he would expect his son (who doesn’t like fighting) to continue training during the seven peaceful years he would do the same thing during ten peaceful years. Also mystic Gohan was cocky, which was his down fall. Gohan in general would waste his time showing off before he actually finished off his opponants. He could have beaten super buu but he didn’t giving buu enough time to absorb piccolo and gotenks. It would depend on how mature Gohan was in this fight but I give it to uub. Ten years of training with Goku beats whatever gohan can do.
that is a good pont but Vigiter and Goku him self admit that they have not been traning in the 10 years and yes Goku tranded Uub for 10 years but there was 1 hell of a gap between Gohan and Uub so that ten years made Uub stronger yes but not the strongest like Gohan was
--- The Crinson eyes Of Demon eyes Kyo will Show you the sound of the WIND
God of Gods wrote:
it is posabul but it means that it would be easa for him to get that power back and like i said GT lift mystic out on perpis
I don’t think so, if mystic was so useful then the elder kai would have just reunlocked gohan’s potential instead of ripping out Goku’s tail so he can go ss4.
at that pont gohan was under Babys control
--- The Crinson eyes Of Demon eyes Kyo will Show you the sound of the WIND
God of Gods wrote:
Ok hi all i just want to give me forts on this so dont get pissey at me if you dont like them
1/ Gohan was call the stronges in all of Dragonball Z (un fused) and we all know this is true
2/ all the end of Z Goku hadent traned in 10 years apart from a bit with Goten and Pan so in that time he may of gotten weka
3/ uub got leveled by Goku (like i said may of been weka) so at that time he was Shit sorry to say but its true
4/ Goku went of with Uub for 10 years and traned him when they came back they fort in the look out which was berly dameged so Uub cudent be that strong conperd to Super Buu and Gotencs SSJ3 they distrode the look out so at that time i would say he was as strong as Fat Buu at best
5/ GT tuck Mystic out becouse he was to strong which pissed toreama of but eney way Gohan after 20 years of not traning was still anuth to fight Goten and then Vagiter
6/ Uub fused with fat buu may is say a week as hell buu so at best Uub got as strong as super buu based of my forts erlyer
7/ Gohan with out traning for 20 years went toe to toe with grerul raldo which goku had trubel with and gohan was wining in till raldo used that metal move thing so gohan is still strong as hell in GT
So i would say that gohan in power would stomp Uub in to the ground and in skill he would as well resens wiy
1/ Gohan stared traning at a much yunger age at 5 and a harf where Uub was 10 Gohan was trand by Goku and Picallo
and then trand with a sword so all to gever Gohan is better trand
2/ Gohan has been in a lot more battals the Uub has such as Nappa, Vigiter, the ginye forse, frazzer, Cell, and the Buu him selth and then there are the moves but i wont go in to them yet so Gohan has moch more exsperans in battel
so all out i have to give it to Gohan i can not see a way that Uub can win this.
but like i said these are just my forts.
We don’t know if Goku wasn’t training during the 10 years post buu. What we do know is that Goku expected Gohan to continue training after cell, so if he would expect his son (who doesn’t like fighting) to continue training during the seven peaceful years he would do the same thing during ten peaceful years. Also mystic Gohan was cocky, which was his down fall. Gohan in general would waste his time showing off before he actually finished off his opponants. He could have beaten super buu but he didn’t giving buu enough time to absorb piccolo and gotenks. It would depend on how mature Gohan was in this fight but I give it to uub. Ten years of training with Goku beats whatever gohan can do.
that is a good pont but Vigiter and Goku him self admit that they have not been traning in the 10 years and yes Goku tranded Uub for 10 years but there was 1 hell of a gap between Gohan and Uub so that ten years made Uub stronger yes but not the strongest like Gohan was
Lets say Goku really didn’t train for ten years how long did Goku train in preparation for uub? When it comes to Goku its really about the quality of the training not the quantity even though he trains a lot. So he may not have train a lot (like how he trained with uub for ten years) but when Goku trains he’s going to make sure he’s gonna get stronger than he was before. And he will be. Yes the gap was huge between Uub and Gohan but Goku said that his training exceeded his expectations. He also said that he learned a “thing or two” from uub as well.
First off all the videos that Kyle showed did not show anything against what I have already said. His first video was showing the superbuu was stronger than kid buu, I agree with that. Second two videos had to do with Kid buu being stronger than uub when goku meets him, I agree with that also, of course he was going to be stronger, uub had never trained and had never fought anybody. SO how strong he was when he first fought goku is completely irrelevant. The next two videos had to do with the power difference between super buu and uub, this is where we start to disagree. Just because super buu and gotenks caused more damage to the look out, does not mean that they were stronger. All that means is that Super Buu didn’t care if he destroyed the look out or not, and Gotenks still had problems controlling his power. On the other hand Goku and Uub were in complete control of their power and had no desire to destroy the lookout. If you wanted to use that kind of logic, I could say Kid buu is stronger than Gohan absorbed buu because he destroyed the earth and Gohan absorbed buu did not. Now obviously kid buu is not as strong as Gohan Absorbed buu, but that is the flawed logic you are using. the next video was about lock/rildo. Now the only info that we get from the lock fight, is that Lock is a lot stronger than Kid buu, he was first said to be stronger than kid buu, then he was stated to be stronger than originally thought, and that was all before he did his final transformation. So I am not sure what those videos were suppose to convince me of. None of those videos show me really how strong goku and uub were at the beginning of GT. the only power comparison that we have is that rildo is much stronger than kid buu, and if this is correct, majuub would be stronger than mystic gohan, it is as simple as that.
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