Mystic Gohan vs Majuub

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I agree.

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gohan is also much stronger than kid buu and if that is the only comparison that you are using (which is what you said) then the MOST you could say is that Mystic Gohan and majuub are about equal.

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so uub went from not being strong enough to beat babivegeta to ..... not strong enough to beat babi vegeta. I mean it wasn’t even like the fight was close or anything. I mean come on I didn’t see the burst of energy everybody seems to think he obtained.

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based on what grounds?

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gohan is stronger than kid buu.

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And uub has ten years of nonstop training fro Goku and easily took out rildo who Goku said was stronger than kid buu.

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I just have a few questions for you Iceberg.

How many times stronger than Kid Buu do you feel Gohan is?

How many times stronger than Rildo do you feel form 3 bebe vegeta is?


Majuub was roughly on the same level as form 3 bebe vegeta, he barely lost that power struggle. so I put Bebe Vegeta form 3 about 1.2 times stronger than Majuub and about 1.7 times stronger than UUb, I agree with you, I don’t think the power increase was that great. Probably around a 40-50% increase in power.

I want your opinion.

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ok this is like my third time posting this but here goes. We know that ssj gotenks was strong enough to take out fat buu and that ssj3 gotenks was on par with super buu. Since weakened fat buu was enough to annoy kid buu i would say that ssj gotenks would probably be on par with kid buu. So I would have to say the difference between gohan and kid buu would be a little more than the difference between ssj gotenks and ssj3 gotenks. I would say that ssj3 is about 5 to 6 times stonger than ssj gotenks so gohan is probably about 6 to 7 times stonger than kid buu.

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As far as your other question I didn’t see the entire rildo fight but I will try to answer it anyway. People like to think that goku was off in the woods somewhere training with uub non stop everyday for ten years, which I think we can both agree is not true. I would say he and uub probably trained every other day (which is being really generous). So that takes the training to about five years, which is still a long time. People also like to say “well goku only trained for one year with gohan and look how much stronger they got." That’s another thing I have a problem with. For one thing goku was training his SON to go into a life or death fight against a monster who had no remorse for life and was threating to destroy the planet. The notion that he would train uub just as hard in a time of peace is ridiculous. I would say he probably trained uub just as hard as he fought uub during the martial arts tournament (in which uub was given goku everything he had because he was fighting for his village, so it would almost impossible to do any extended training much harder than that). Another thing wrong with this assessment is the fact that in the hyperbolic time chamber your body is put under very harsh conditions, the kind of conditions you couldn’t get outside. Plus gohan is a sayjan and would get a lot stronger a lot faster than uub who is a human, I mean you wouldn’t say that after ten years training with goku krillin would be stronger than mystic gohan would you.( And yes I know majuub isn’t a normal human in the fact that he has the potential to get as strong as kid buu but the rate at which he increase his power would still be dramatically lower than any sayjan). And gohan was much more closer to goku’s strength during their training than uub was. So as gohan got stronger goku would also get stronger, a whole lot stronger a lot faster than he would fighting a human who power lvl is much lower than his, and couldn’t even fly or use energy attacks so he had to spend time just teaching him the basics. So I would say that uubs training for goku would be more like a body builder trying to stay in shape during the off season and less like one getting ready for the competition of his life (like he was with gohan). But even after all of this I would still say goku got a lot stronger. I would base gt adult goku is about 1.5 times the strength of base z goku (which for those of you who don’t know is a pretty sizable difference). I would put uub at the same power lvl as base z goku ( which I would argue is probably twice what it was when he first fought goku). And I would put kid goku at about 1.25 times the power of adult goku.

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Ok now that we have that out the way. I would like to bring up the fact that in the buu saga it was clearly stated that goku could have easily defeated kid buu if he had his full power. And even with his lack of energy goku was still on par with kid buu. So since we know that kid buu is stronger than fat buu than we can safely say that an overpowered ssj2 goku could have beaten fat buu ( by overpowered I mean stronger than goku ssj2 could have went in the buu saga). Now goku said that rildo was just as strong as majin buu, which would be almost impossible to tell after ten years. That’s like you get hit by a car and ten years later you see another car drive past and be able to tell if it was going at the same speed as the car that hit you. But even if he could tell exactly we don’t know if he was talking about fat buu of MAJIN buu. If he was talking about majin buu than that would make since. From the little bit of the rildo fight I did see it seemed like ssj kid goku was having some problems and he probably could have easily won in ssj2 form. And seeing how I believe that ssj 2 kid goku is about 1.25 times the strength of ssj2 z goku that would make ssj2 kid goku like an overpowered ssj2 z goku and if you’ve been reading all this time then you know that is what I said would be able to beat majin buu in z. ( see how things work out when you think them through). Okay so I would say that ssj3 kid goku is probably 3x the strength of ssj2 kid goku and I would say form three bebivegeta is probably twice as strong as ssj3 kid goku. So that would make bebivegeta about 6 times stronger than rildo. But I don’t know what this has to do with majuub, because majuub isn’t on par with bebivegeta he isn’t even close. If you want to see a fight between two people on par go back and watch goku vs kid, or gotenks vs super buu, or goku vs vegeta, or goten vs trunks or piccolo vs 17, (hell even one armed future gohan put up a better fight than two enemies who were much stronger than he was) or goku vs freiza, goku vs vegeta (old school). Those are fights between on or nearly on par, that 5 minute shit job uub did was just one fighter surprising the other with his new found strength before getting his as handed to him bebi vegeta didn’t even look tired after the fight. One more thing power lvl’s don’t mean everything, just because rildo had the same power lvl as buu dosen’t mean he’s as good of a fighter. We saw an example of this during the cell saga when trunks raised his power above cells but was way to slow to capitalize on it.

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"Now goku said that rildo was just as strong as majin buu, which would be almost impossible to tell after ten years. That’s like you get hit by a car and ten years later you see another car drive past and be able to tell if it was going at the same speed as the car that hit you. But even if he could tell exactly we don’t know if he was talking about fat buu of MAJIN buu. If he was talking about majin buu than that would make since. From the little bit of the rildo fight I did see it seemed like ssj kid goku was having some problems and he probably could have easily won in ssj2 form. And seeing how I believe that ssj 2 kid goku is about 1.25 times the strength of ssj2 z goku that would make ssj2 kid goku like an overpowered ssj2 z goku and if you’ve been reading all this time then you know that is what I said would be able to beat majin buu in z."

Obviously he would be talking about kid buu since he was the original buu and his last difficult battle. Uub was supposed to be Goku’s apprentice so he was trying to get him on a level that was relatively close to his. Goku said it exceeded his expectations. If they weren’t training everyday then Goku would have visited home. Unless he was staying at Uub’s home which is VERY unlikely. Goku would understand how to compare different power levels as well so he knew what he was talking about when he said rildo was as strong as kid buu. Mystic Gohan may have a higher potential power than majuub but majuub is in GT meaning the next level after z.

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I still stick to the fact that Goku made the statement that Rildo was stronger than Kid Buu, later goku said that Rild was stronger than he originally thought. This was all said before Rildo/Lock turned into metal rildo. So Metal Rildo would be about 1.5-2 times stronger than Kid Buu. Oh by the way, Trunk’s powerlevel was never above cell’s, cell was only toying with Trunks. Letting trunks think he had a chance. When Cell said trunks was stronger than him, he was only talking about pure strength, not overall power level. Anyway, SSJ1 Goku was even with Rildo so he too was about 2 times kid buu’s so super SSJ3 kid goku woud be at least 5 times stronger than his ssj1 kid goku version. that would put him about 10 times stronger than kid buu. Now Uub was stronger than SSJ3 kid Goku since he lasted longer against a much stronger version of Bebi Vegeta. I would but him about 13 times stronger than kid buu, and Majuub would be close to 18 times stronger than Kid Buu, while Form 3 bebi vegeta I would but at 22-24 times stronger than kid buu. Yes bebe was stronger than majuub, but only by about a 25-30% margin.

Next goku had not seen his family for years, which probably means that he did train every day with uub. Goku doesn’t have to be faced with a life threatening challenge to train as hard as he can. Goku had no idea that Babidi and buu were going to come to earth, but he had already progressed two SSJ levels in less than 7 years. So he got 10-15 times stronger in 7 years.

We can’t just count the 10 years that Goku Trained with Uub we also have to count the years between the Buu Saga and the end of DBZ.

So either way you look at it, you would have to prove to me that Goku was wrong about his comment about Rildo being stronger than Majin Buu, which doesn’t make sense becaus Goku doesn’t make those kind of mistakes.

Uub’s full potential isn’t just Kid Buu’s strength. Kid buu never trained, So uub upon training could far exceed Uub’s power. Since uub is a reincarnated buu, we have no idea what is potential is, or how fast he can increase his power, saying that we do would be false. by the way humans can increase their power level quite a bit too, don’t forget that Krillin increased his power level 7 times in one year between the death of raditz and when Nappa and Vegeta arrived.

I do think Goku was talking about kid buu, that was the buu who he fought for the longest time. and if you say that I could just as easily say that he meant super buu. I think Kid buu was who he meant though.

When Goku first started Train Gohan the power difference was probably right about the same as the power difference between him and uub. Goku was over 100 times stronger than Gohan when they first enter the chamber. It probably took more than 3/4 of the time in the chamber just to get gohan up to speed.

Adult GT Base Goku was stronger than UUb who was around form 1 bebe Vegeta. This is much stronger than Base goku DBZ. Adult GT Base Goku is much stronger than SSJ3 Goku, since he was obviously stronger than Rildo. Remember that kid base goku was much stonger than super perfect cell eveb with Frieza’s help. that is much stronger that 1.25 times base goku, I doubt even ssj1 goku in Z could have done that. Until next time.

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WHOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

ICEBERG....Bro, you...uh....lol.....bro....NO...you have some facts mixed up bro.

NO, offense, I loved your posts, you have alot of knowledge, BUT NOBODY knows more than me.

First off, Goku NEVER said he was strong enough to beat KID BUU....He said he was strong enought beat FAT BUU...OK?

Second....Kid Buu is the strongest CHARACTER in DBZ!!!!

Done..its a fact...trust me! lol (Read Earlier Posts of mine, you will “see the light”

Third...ICEBERG....i’m not being mean man, but...lol im like skimming down your posts, and they are filled with BULLSHIT....man....An overpowered SSJ2 would beat Kid BUU????????????????????????

NO...Not EVER. SSJ3 Goku couldn’t beat Kidd Buu, he needed help from the dragonballs....and IM SURE SSJ3 GOKU IS STRONGER THAN AN OVERPOWERED SSJ2...LOL

Anyway, Majuub was formed...ONLY b/c Goku ALLOWED IT! He wanted buu to come back but in a “good” or “pure” form.

Tell me thats power! lol SHIT!

Power levels are very inconsistent in DBGT.................

So, in terms of this THREAD.....thinking.....thinking....

I’d have to say Mystic Gohan wins this won. (Oh, you like that double meaning?)

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number goku did have a reason to train before buu saga, if you think he didn’t than you haven’t been wacthing your dbz. Number two for a gohan “fan” you sure don’t show it. Number three if you actually believe that any body less than 75% of the strength of the person they are fighting would last more than two seconds you’re wrong. Power lvl dosen’t measure fighting ablilty, If it did gohan’s power lvl wouldn’t have gone past raditz since he was a little kid with no training what so ever. If goku is so strong how did krillin kick the shit out of him. And don’t give me that crap about how goku was just playing with krillin. Fuck that bs if he was really as strong as you say he is krillin would never be able to land that kick or send goku’s ass flying through the air. And if bebi vegeta is 24 times buu’s strength dose that mean super 17 is like 30 something, and dose that mean shenron was like 50 and omega shenron like 60 and ssj4 gogeta like fuckin 100 or something please. Look bottom line is we don’t agree and we won’t agree. I do belive that goku ssj4 is stronger than mystic gohan and maybe even form 3 bebi vegeta but come on majuub. Anyway I surrender That big long ass post that I wrote is about the third time I posted it and for some reason it wouldn’t show (sorry if i seem angry but that made me very mad) so like kyle Knight I’ll let you goku/majuub fans have this one.

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ha ha ha omniblast r u reading this I mean come on you’re agreeing with this dude.

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ok instead of skimming my post maybe you should actually read it. It was said that if goku had his full energy he could beat kid buu (that’s what the wish was for, well one of the reasons) buu’s pure form is evil. Kid buu is most defiantly not the strongest buu let alone the strongest character on z. I said an overpowered ssj2 could beat fat buu. And I don’t write bull shit. I’m going say that I will be right on everything but I never just make shit up, I do my fucking research unlike some people and I try to base all my arguments on my as well other people’s observations and as much facts as I can come up with which is not that fuckin easy when your basically talking about fights that couldn’t possibly happen, or if they did happen one person would have to go through dimensions or some shit.

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No I am pretty sure you have your facts mixed up. First Goku said if he was able to go 100% SSJ3 he would be stronger than kid buu, unfortunately goku had been fighting for a long time with out a break and was unable to do this. Secondly Mystic Gohan was much stronger than SSJ3 goku and hence he was much stronger than kid buu. We are not saying that DBZ goku could beat kid buu in SSJ2 form, but GT goku could easily beat kid buu in SSJ2 form, since Rildo was stronger than kid buu. No SSJ3 Goku in GT is not stronger than SSJ2 Goku GT, same reason why SSJ3 goku could not beat kid buu and SSJ2 goku gt could have crushed rildo.

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I think what you mean is that Kid Goku SSJ3 is stronger than SSJ2 Goku in GT, it’s just that he can’t stay in the SSJ3 transformation as long as he could as an adult. Am I right?

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I would actually put Omega Shenron at around 400 times stronger than kid buu. Why not? Perfect Cell was way more than 400 times Raditz. We are talking about complete different leagues of power here. Bebi Vegeta I said was 24 times stronger that would make his oozaru form about 240 times stronger, super 17 225-230 times stronger, Nova Shenron 270 times stronger, Syn Shenron 300 times stronger and Omega Shenron 400 times stronger. These numbers are crazy, but they are taken 17 years after the buu saga, only 12 years passed between Raditz and Cell, look how much they progressed in that time. I have Goku at SSJ1 at 2 times kid buu, SSJ2 5-6 times kid buu SSJ3 kid 10-12 times kid buu, and SSJ4 200-220 times kid buu. Like I said just depends how seriously you take Goku’s comments on Rildo and Kid Buu, and do the SSJ multipliers from there and you will come to close to the same conclusion.

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I actually meant to say SSJ3 DBZ Goku, my bad. But you are right, about him not being able to hold his transformation, I think that his kid SSJ3 version is much stronger than the DBZ ssj3 version, he is just not use to his body being that small, same reason why he can use his Instant transmission. So
Adult Goku GT>>>>>Kid Goku GT>>>>Adult Goku DBZ