omniblast wrote:
No SSJ3 Goku in GT is not stronger than SSJ2 Goku GT, same reason why SSJ3 goku could not beat kid buu and SSJ2 goku gt could have crushed rildo.
I think what you mean is that Kid Goku SSJ3 is stronger than SSJ2 Goku in GT, it’s just that he can’t stay in the SSJ3 transformation as long as he could as an adult. Am I right?
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I actually meant to say SSJ3 DBZ Goku, my bad. But you are right, about him not being able to hold his transformation, I think that his kid SSJ3 version is much stronger than the DBZ ssj3 version, he is just not use to his body being that small, same reason why he can use his Instant transmission. So
Adult Goku GT>>>>>Kid Goku GT>>>>Adult Goku DBZ
There we go.
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I have to say Kyle Knight made a convinceing post SSJ is like 50 time’s base level strenth not counting SSJ2/3’s increases, their is no way Goku raised his power in base form more than 50 time’s in 20yr’s not only was he getting old but the condition’s of earth training and fact Uub knew nothing about power only make one realise just how long it would have took for Goku to train Uub properly (a, he is human b, he dousent increase his power at nearly the same rate as a saiyan c, Gohan’s potential surrpasses his father’s and his skill was on par since like the Cell game’s).
1. Gohan has fought the saiyan’s/Ginyu Force/Freiza/The Android’s/Cell/Bojack/Majin Buu and so on and understand’s his power’s a hell of alot better than Uub who has trained what? 10yr’s and never faced a true threat in his life in GT, and when faced with one he was slaughtered by who? oh yea an aged Vegeta and Babi who was pathetic even Goten 20yr’s undertrained could beat him...
2. Gohan is easily smarter than Uub to boot aswell and is WAY more experianced, yet Bebi say’s he was unimpressed with Uub and expected alot more from a student of Goku’s meaning Uub wasn’t as skilled as his mentor, and Majuub really dident sway the scale’s any for him either lol.
3. Now then here is proof Gohan is as skilled as his father and way more powerful,
Gohan is revealed BY GOKU to have power’s beyond what he could even dream of stored away inside of him. (6o mins)
Goku reveal’s with his own word’s how Gohan became as good a fighter as he did in th Hyperbolic time chamber and has a potential he could never even begin to fathum. (7:10 mins)
So Uub may have Kid Buu’s power but Gohan’s is beyond even his father’s expectation’s and dident require half the training Uub did being a saiyan, Uub dident even surrpass Goku as a fighter nevermind in power, Heck Gohan played with Super Buu and was obviously way more skilled than him, Goku had trouble with Mr Buu and Kid Buu who were much weaker and less intelligent than Super Buu also Goku had a power advantage vsing Mr Buu yet still failed to own him (at best he speculate’s that he could have owned him at 100 percent SSJ3 and that’s MR Buu lol).
Gohan’s base Form strenth surpasses his father’s in one day thanx to one day of training when Goku had 7yr’s lol, witch mean’s his SSJ/2 are stronger and faster than Goku’s (Goku SSJ3 would still be stronger at this point but still highly impressive considering Gohan isn’t Mystic yet)
Gohan’s Journey to Mystic
Gohan’s Full Potential Unlocked
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Last edited 09 Oct 2008 09:10 am by The Great and Mighty Mikalatove
The Great and Mighty Mikalatove wrote:
I have to say Kyle Knight made a convinceing post SSJ is like 50 time’s base level strenth not counting SSJ2/3’s increases, their is no way Goku raised his power in base form more than 50 time’s in 20yr’s not only was he getting old but the condition’s of earth training and fact Uub knew nothing about power only make one realise just how long it would have took for Goku to train Uub properly (a, he is human b, he dousent increase his power at nearly the same rate as a saiyan c, Gohan’s potential surrpasses his father’s and his skill was on par since like the Cell game’s).
1. Gohan has fought the saiyan’s/Ginyu Force/Freiza/The Android’s/Cell/Bojack/Majin Buu and so on and understand’s his power’s a hell of alot better than Uub who has trained what? 10yr’s and never faced a true threat in his life in GT, and when faced with one he was slaughtered by who? oh yea an aged Vegeta and Babi who was pathetic even Goten 20yr’s undertrained could beat him...
2. Gohan is easily smarter than Uub to boot aswell and is WAY more experianced, yet Bebi say’s he was unimpressed with Uub and expected alot more from a student of Goku’s meaning Uub wasn’t as skilled as his mentor, and Majuub really dident sway the scale’s any for him either lol.
3. Now then here is proof Gohan is as skilled as his father and way more powerful,
Gohan is revealed BY GOKU to have power’s beyond what he could even dream of stored away inside of him. (6o mins)
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Goku reveal’s with his own word’s how Gohan became as good a fighter as he did in th Hyperbolic time chamber and has a potential he could never even begin to fathum. (7:10 mins)
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So Uub may have Kid Buu’s power but Gohan’s is beyond even his father’s expectation’s and dident require half the training Uub did being a saiyan, Uub dident even surrpass Goku as a fighter nevermind in power, Heck Gohan played with Super Buu and was obviously way more skilled than him, Goku had trouble with Mr Buu and Kid Buu who were much weaker and less intelligent than Super Buu also Goku had a power advantage vsing Mr Buu yet still failed to own him (at best he speculate’s that he could have owned him at 100 percent SSJ3 and that’s MR Buu lol).
Gohan’s base Form strenth surpasses his father’s in one day thanx to one day of training when Goku had 7yr’s lol, witch mean’s his SSJ/2 are stronger and faster than Goku’s (Goku SSJ3 would still be stronger at this point but still highly impressive considering Gohan isn’t Mystic yet)
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Gohan’s Journey to Mystic
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Gohan’s Full Potential Unlocked
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Try all you want, my logic is the only one confirmed by direct statements in GT itself. And even though GT is not technically canon, since we are doing DBZ vs GT, it is all canon here.
Im Glad my post helped you guy’s out just trying to get the truth heard is not enough you gotta go that extra mile to waigh out the playing feild in a debate brother...what the F@#$ is Omniblast talking about he lost me with the number’s thing i don’t get were he got them from???
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just because you don’t like my calculations doesn’t mean they are wrong. I am not saying they are right, obviously nobody can know if they are right or not, I do feel that they have logic in them. I don’t see why it is so hard to believe that within a 17 year time that the strongest villain would be several hundred times stronger. Raditz was crazy strong at the beginning of DBZ, but was nothing at the cell games or during the buu saga. It is exactly the same thing. I bet if DBZ ended at the Frieza saga, and GT started with the android and went through the buu saga, if I told you the super buu was a couple hundred times stronger than Frieza, you would tell me I was wrong. We know that Omega shenron was the strongest villain in the Entire DB saga, it makes sense that the protagonists would be stronger also to be able to fight this villain.
i dont’t belive that freiza is a hundred times raditz for 1. For two the weaker you are (copared to your full potential) the faster you get stronger. I think the biggest increase in z power where between the sayian saga and the freza saga, followed by the freza saga to the cell saga, and the smallest increase in power came between that time and the buu saga.(the only PEOPLE who really got stronger were gohan and goku, trunks was a baby and goten wasn’t even born so they don’t count).
Because there are no power level’s after Freiza tho it’s all pure speculation after this, and id side with Mr Toriyama Gohan was the strongest non fused charicter because of his unlocked potential Kid Buu>Omega Shenron btw
Gohan stated that Omega shenron was by far the strongest opponent they had ever faced, so obviously much stronger than kid buu. I do agree with what you say about potential, but I also think that they were not even close to their full potential mid way through DBZ. Nobody likes to answer me about how base goku in GT beats super perfect cell, a task that would require a ssj2 during dbz. Obviously this means that Goku increased his base powerlevel exponentially between the two series. Unless you can tell me that base goku in DBZ could beat cell also. And cell had gotten stronger not weaker, he and frieza both stated that.
Pikon just surprised Cell, he didn’t beat him. He just hit him and cell fell into that wierd lake thing and got stuck. Cell was stronger than Pikon, and Pikon was stronger than Goku, Goku just outsmarted Pikon in their battle. But you could see that Pikon was beating Goku and Goku had to resort to a Super Kaioken, sounds like a desperation move. But yeah, Cell vs Pikon on a battle on Earth, would have resulted in a Super Perfect Cell victory. People don’t get weaker in HFIL, atleast it would not make sense. Cell and Frieza kept training and practicing, it doesn’t make sense for them to train yet still get weaker. And cell seemed to think he had gotten stronger. I don’t think cell is that Naive to think that he had gotten a lot stronger, when he had actually gotten weaker, maybe frieza but not cell.
omniblast wrote:
Gohan stated that Omega shenron was by far the strongest opponent they had ever faced, so obviously much stronger than kid buu. I do agree with what you say about potential, but I also think that they were not even close to their full potential mid way through DBZ. Nobody likes to answer me about how base goku in GT beats super perfect cell, a task that would require a ssj2 during dbz. Obviously this means that Goku increased his base powerlevel exponentially between the two series. Unless you can tell me that base goku in DBZ could beat cell also. And cell had gotten stronger not weaker, he and frieza both stated that.
omniblast wrote:
Pikon just surprised Cell, he didn’t beat him. He just hit him and cell fell into that wierd lake thing and got stuck. Cell was stronger than Pikon, and Pikon was stronger than Goku, Goku just outsmarted Pikon in their battle. But you could see that Pikon was beating Goku and Goku had to resort to a Super Kaioken, sounds like a desperation move. But yeah, Cell vs Pikon on a battle on Earth, would have resulted in a Super Perfect Cell victory. People don’t get weaker in HFIL, atleast it would not make sense. Cell and Frieza kept training and practicing, it doesn’t make sense for them to train yet still get weaker. And cell seemed to think he had gotten stronger. I don’t think cell is that Naive to think that he had gotten a lot stronger, when he had actually gotten weaker, maybe frieza but not cell.
Cell alive tanked blows from Gohan better who caught him by surprise.
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