ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Seph can’t do anything against Kuja’s diminsional warp move. He just teleports Seph elsewhere and he can’t come back. Thus Kuja wins.
and now it is official...kuja is the victor....
haha. We can wait for CT but yeah. Kuja also has sleep spells, can create shit from the memory of the crystal.
yeah...the first game i ever played on the PS1 was FF9... but that was like 5-8 years ago...so the whole kuja’s power thing when over my head...i was to young to understand...
Wow so much has happen while teh Chaos wwas away.
Sepiroth can teleport himself as scene in Crisis Core, SO it might take him a while but he can get back. As far as Ultima Reflect takes care of the spell. Sleep oh hold on Seal Added effect junction on armor now hes immune. As far as duribility goes Sepiroth was going to weather Meteor itself.
Now to poor misguided Kuja, this reject from a genome project given a soul. Sepiroth could use the negative Lifestream to pull all his energy out or better yet he could allow Kuja to hit his spilling his blood onto Kuja which is 100% Jenova, now tell me what happens when Jenova interacts with other living beings, it corrupts turning Kuja to a Sephiroth clone thus becoming his slave, so how it feel to be on the other side of the Masamune?
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Seph can’t do anything against Kuja’s diminsional warp move. He just teleports Seph elsewhere and he can’t come back. Thus Kuja wins.
Chaos Theory wrote:
Wow so much has happen while teh Chaos wwas away.
Sepiroth can teleport himself as scene in Crisis Core, SO it might take him a while but he can get back. As far as Ultima Reflect takes care of the spell. Sleep oh hold on Seal Added effect junction on armor now hes immune. As far as duribility goes Sepiroth was going to weather Meteor itself.
Now to poor misguided Kuja, this reject from a genome project given a soul. Sepiroth could use the negative Lifestream to pull all his energy out or better yet he could allow Kuja to hit his spilling his blood onto Kuja which is 100% Jenova, now tell me what happens when Jenova interacts with other living beings, it corrupts turning Kuja to a Sephiroth clone thus becoming his slave, so how it feel to be on the other side of the Masamune?
Or Kuja just teleports him to another diminsion. You relize Sephiroth has never shown to be able to get out of things like that right? He can teleport but not out of a diminsion as far as we have seen. Anyway, Kuja actually survived the planet’s destruction, something seph was GOING to do. That and he destroyed the planet by himself he didn’t need materia and he did it in under a minute.
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The Crystal - not logged wrote:
Intangibility and regeneration > Ultima.
But...
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Seph can’t do anything against Kuja’s diminsional warp move. He just teleports Seph elsewhere and he can’t come back. Thus Kuja wins.
Yeah. Thats true.
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Chaos Theory wrote:
Wow so much has happen while teh Chaos wwas away.
Sepiroth can teleport himself as scene in Crisis Core, SO it might take him a while but he can get back. As far as Ultima Reflect takes care of the spell. Sleep oh hold on Seal Added effect junction on armor now hes immune. As far as duribility goes Sepiroth was going to weather Meteor itself.
Now to poor misguided Kuja, this reject from a genome project given a soul. Sepiroth could use the negative Lifestream to pull all his energy out or better yet he could allow Kuja to hit his spilling his blood onto Kuja which is 100% Jenova, now tell me what happens when Jenova interacts with other living beings, it corrupts turning Kuja to a Sephiroth clone thus becoming his slave, so how it feel to be on the other side of the Masamune?
Or Kuja just teleports him to another diminsion. You relize Sephiroth has never shown to be able to get out of things like that right? He can teleport but not out of a diminsion as far as we have seen. Anyway, Kuja actually survived the planet’s destruction, something seph was GOING to do. That and he destroyed the planet by himself he didn’t need materia and he did it in under a minute.
I would say true but where is the proof he can warp some one to a different dimension? I’ve read up on this pitiful failure of a science experiment and it never once said he could do that
Chaos Theory wrote:
Wow so much has happen while teh Chaos wwas away.
Sepiroth can teleport himself as scene in Crisis Core, SO it might take him a while but he can get back. As far as Ultima Reflect takes care of the spell. Sleep oh hold on Seal Added effect junction on armor now hes immune. As far as duribility goes Sepiroth was going to weather Meteor itself.
Now to poor misguided Kuja, this reject from a genome project given a soul. Sepiroth could use the negative Lifestream to pull all his energy out or better yet he could allow Kuja to hit his spilling his blood onto Kuja which is 100% Jenova, now tell me what happens when Jenova interacts with other living beings, it corrupts turning Kuja to a Sephiroth clone thus becoming his slave, so how it feel to be on the other side of the Masamune?
Or Kuja just teleports him to another diminsion. You relize Sephiroth has never shown to be able to get out of things like that right? He can teleport but not out of a diminsion as far as we have seen. Anyway, Kuja actually survived the planet’s destruction, something seph was GOING to do. That and he destroyed the planet by himself he didn’t need materia and he did it in under a minute.
I would say true but where is the proof he can warp some one to a different dimension? I’ve read up on this pitiful failure of a science experiment and it never once said he could do that
When Zidane and co beat Necron, he teleported them back to Gaia from Necron’s diminsion. He had killed them and they were sent there.
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Really, well then that would fall to will then and sense Kuja is obviously unstable Sephiroth would simply not allow that. Anywho it is theoretically possible for Sephiroth to teleport from dimension to dimension because that is how teleport works you travel somewhere by punching through the fabric of reality. Then you have the whole fact that Sepiroth transends death you can’t kill the man, the Jenova in him seals it for Kuja
Chaos Theory wrote:
Really, well then that would fall to will then and sense Kuja is obviously unstable Sephiroth would simply not allow that. Anywho it is theoretically possible for Sephiroth to teleport from dimension to dimension because that is how teleport works you travel somewhere by punching through the fabric of reality. Then you have the whole fact that Sepiroth transends death you can’t kill the man, the Jenova in him seals it for Kuja
So your saying all teleporters can teleport from diminsion to diminsion? No. I don' think so. Teleporting is not punching through reality. It is simply moving from point A to point B instantly.
Then even if he COULD teleport through diminsions, he would have to find his way back and this could take forever, like some kind of Sliders type thing going. There is no garuntee he could even find his way back even if we assume he CAN teleport through diminsions.
added note:
Rufus and Cloud seemed not as affected by Geostigma as the others. The others seemed to be sick and dying. Also Cloud, WITH jenova cells in him even beat Sephiroth’s mind games eventually and Kuja is more powerful than Cloud, I mean he has telepathy and can make illusions(Sand palace) hell he even took control of Bahamut and Alexander. So there is a chance Kuja might be able to resist control.
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Last edited 15 Sep 2008 10:53 pm by Kurt Donald Cobain
Chaos Theory wrote:
Really, well then that would fall to will then and sense Kuja is obviously unstable Sephiroth would simply not allow that. Anywho it is theoretically possible for Sephiroth to teleport from dimension to dimension because that is how teleport works you travel somewhere by punching through the fabric of reality. Then you have the whole fact that Sepiroth transends death you can’t kill the man, the Jenova in him seals it for Kuja
So your saying all teleporters can teleport from diminsion to diminsion? No. I don' think so. Teleporting is not punching through reality. It is simply moving from point A to point B instantly.
Then even if he COULD teleport through diminsions, he would have to find his way back and this could take forever, like some kind of Sliders type thing going. There is no garuntee he could even find his way back even if we assume he CAN teleport through diminsions.
added note:
Rufus and Cloud seemed not as affected by Geostigma as the others. The others seemed to be sick and dying. Also Cloud, WITH jenova cells in him even beat Sephiroth’s mind games eventually and Kuja is more powerful than Cloud, I mean he has telepathy and can make illusions(Sand palace) hell he even took control of Bahamut and Alexander. So there is a chance Kuja might be able to resist control.
Small chance yes but and Cloud was snapped to reality with the help of Tifa, he never broke the control himself, agreed he fought it but broke it alone no. As far as the teleportation thing goes it just theoretical yes. As far as the Geostigma goes it for the most part left rufus in a wheel chair and almost cost Cloud his life on several occasions if you remember your AC correctly. And it is sad when people Underestimate Cloud he is one hell of a warrior he would take Zindane down. But back to Sephiroth form how I remember it when I played IX Seph has a speed advantage and is a highly trained engine of destruction I just don’t think Kuja has what it takes to beat Sephiorth. But I will give it to Kuja his ego probably matches Sephiroth’s. Well I have to work tomorrow I’ll debate with ya more later if this thread is still active.
Chaos Theory wrote:
Really, well then that would fall to will then and sense Kuja is obviously unstable Sephiroth would simply not allow that. Anywho it is theoretically possible for Sephiroth to teleport from dimension to dimension because that is how teleport works you travel somewhere by punching through the fabric of reality. Then you have the whole fact that Sepiroth transends death you can’t kill the man, the Jenova in him seals it for Kuja
So your saying all teleporters can teleport from diminsion to diminsion? No. I don' think so. Teleporting is not punching through reality. It is simply moving from point A to point B instantly.
Then even if he COULD teleport through diminsions, he would have to find his way back and this could take forever, like some kind of Sliders type thing going. There is no garuntee he could even find his way back even if we assume he CAN teleport through diminsions.
added note:
Rufus and Cloud seemed not as affected by Geostigma as the others. The others seemed to be sick and dying. Also Cloud, WITH jenova cells in him even beat Sephiroth’s mind games eventually and Kuja is more powerful than Cloud, I mean he has telepathy and can make illusions(Sand palace) hell he even took control of Bahamut and Alexander. So there is a chance Kuja might be able to resist control.
Small chance yes but and Cloud was snapped to reality with the help of Tifa, he never broke the control himself, agreed he fought it but broke it alone no. As far as the teleportation thing goes it just theoretical yes. As far as the Geostigma goes it for the most part left rufus in a wheel chair and almost cost Cloud his life on several occasions if you remember your AC correctly. And it is sad when people Underestimate Cloud he is one hell of a warrior he would take Zindane down. But back to Sephiroth form how I remember it when I played IX Seph has a speed advantage and is a highly trained engine of destruction I just don’t think Kuja has what it takes to beat Sephiorth. But I will give it to Kuja his ego probably matches Sephiroth’s. Well I have to work tomorrow I’ll debate with ya more later if this thread is still active.
Chaos Theory wrote:
Really, well then that would fall to will then and sense Kuja is obviously unstable Sephiroth would simply not allow that. Anywho it is theoretically possible for Sephiroth to teleport from dimension to dimension because that is how teleport works you travel somewhere by punching through the fabric of reality. Then you have the whole fact that Sepiroth transends death you can’t kill the man, the Jenova in him seals it for Kuja
So your saying all teleporters can teleport from diminsion to diminsion? No. I don' think so. Teleporting is not punching through reality. It is simply moving from point A to point B instantly.
Then even if he COULD teleport through diminsions, he would have to find his way back and this could take forever, like some kind of Sliders type thing going. There is no garuntee he could even find his way back even if we assume he CAN teleport through diminsions.
added note:
Rufus and Cloud seemed not as affected by Geostigma as the others. The others seemed to be sick and dying. Also Cloud, WITH jenova cells in him even beat Sephiroth’s mind games eventually and Kuja is more powerful than Cloud, I mean he has telepathy and can make illusions(Sand palace) hell he even took control of Bahamut and Alexander. So there is a chance Kuja might be able to resist control.
Small chance yes but and Cloud was snapped to reality with the help of Tifa, he never broke the control himself, agreed he fought it but broke it alone no. As far as the teleportation thing goes it just theoretical yes. As far as the Geostigma goes it for the most part left rufus in a wheel chair and almost cost Cloud his life on several occasions if you remember your AC correctly. And it is sad when people Underestimate Cloud he is one hell of a warrior he would take Zindane down. But back to Sephiroth form how I remember it when I played IX Seph has a speed advantage and is a highly trained engine of destruction I just don’t think Kuja has what it takes to beat Sephiorth. But I will give it to Kuja his ego probably matches Sephiroth’s. Well I have to work tomorrow I’ll debate with ya more later if this thread is still active.
Yeah Tifa gave it that extra push but the fact is he ultimatly broke it himself. Like when you go to peer mediation, sure they help you but ultimatly you resolve the conflict yourself.
It was revieled the wheelchair thing was just part of his disguise in the UO if I remember right. I read that somewhere. Remember he later stands right up and is fine with jumping off a building and while it almost cost Cloud his life, he still fought it off. Hell he even beat Bahamut and took on the 3 remnents by himself.
Anyway we have no real speed feats for Kuja in any form so we can’t say anything on that one.
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Wow some interesting point’s here but for the most part it seem’s to be leaning in Kuja’s favor even though i don’t belive pysicaly Kuja can stand up to Sphiroth, but hey brute force douse not mean victory as Kuja has elegance intelligence and raw power on his side
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Kyle Knight wrote:
Wow some interesting point’s here but for the most part it seem’s to be leaning in Kuja’s favor even though i don’t belive pysicaly Kuja can stand up to Sphiroth, but hey brute force douse not mean victory as Kuja has elegance intelligence and raw power on his side
Kyle Knight wrote:
hmmm because he is good for debates and a popular Icon i guess
He is getting old and annoying.
Of course, unless new FF7 game comes out that will give me a different view on Sephiroth than your everyday simple 'emo long-haired bad guy with lotsa power.'
Kyle Knight wrote:
hmmm because he is good for debates and a popular Icon i guess
He is getting old and annoying.
Of course, unless new FF7 game comes out that will give me a different view on Sephiroth than your everyday simple 'emo long-haired bad guy with lotsa power.'
That’s why Before Crisis and Crisis Core exist. To show us another side of Sephiroth.
And please, show me when did he start crying, being sad at everything, and cutting his wrists. Because this is what an emo does, and I don’t remember him doing that.
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