It’s considered natural, yes. It is a normal occurence in the Avatarverse, yes. That doesn’t change the fact that there is no scientific explanation for bending.
that isnt proving how the fire can go through the dense oxygen... if he wanted to, roy could make it so that zuko’s fire is extremely weak to not there at all, if he lowered the oxygen density.
Dude. If firebending obeyed natural laws, there would be no fire at all. But there is. Zuko’s fire will still burn, even with a lack of oxygen. And he will still control it, even with a surplus of oxygen.
Firebending burns because of the energy of the bender, not because of external fuel. Thus, it does not need oxygen.
A better argument would be to say that Roy could deplete the oxygen around Zuko to affect his breath. Breathing is directly related to firebending, and if Zuko goes to long without oxygen to breath, his fire will likely weaken. However, this eliminates Roy’s ability to attack Zuko also. So, with neither able to attack, Zuko would close the distance and pwn Roy with shaolin kung fu.
Both sides need to get a quote which explains the at of bending. Water, earth and airbenders seem to redirect natural forces through magical manipulation. If this is the case with fire Zuko loses. If its a special kind of fire, eg Hellfire then Roy loses.
In the case of firebenders, they don’t just redirect, they create. So firebending does not need oxygen any more than it needs fuel.
EDIT: Here’s a quote from Iroh in the first episode:
“Iroh: No! Power in firebending comes from the breath. Not the muscles. The breath becomes energy in the body. The energy extends past your limbs and becomes fire. (Iroh demonstrates, releasing a controlling plume of flame that bursts in front of Zuko, but does not hit him) Get it right this time."
Last edited 02 Oct 2008 01:35 pm by Bender Alchemist
Bender Alchemist wrote:
Firebending burns because of the energy of the bender, not because of external fuel. Thus, it does not need oxygen.
You still have yet to explain how the oxygen level would affect Zuko’s supernatural control or weaken his fire that occurs supernaturally without fuel.
Bender Alchemist wrote:
I’m a horrible debater? I have yet to explain?
Bender Alchemist wrote:
Firebending burns because of the energy of the bender, not because of external fuel. Thus, it does not need oxygen.
You still have yet to explain how the oxygen level would affect Zuko’s supernatural control or weaken his fire that occurs supernaturally without fuel.
okay first off where did you get that info? i told you to prove it, and you havent yet done that.
secondly, just because it burns the energy, it doesnt mean that an outside source cant stop or enrage it.
so as ive said before, provide links, scans, or videos to prove this.
Roy could affect the air with his alchemy, to make it so that Zuko’s fire would combust in his face, it doesn’t matter how fire is created, whether bending or alchemy, fire is fire and retains all of its chemical properties, Roy is an expert at altering it, he only needs a spark to make a bomb where ever he likes, if Zuko firebends he’ll probably be blown up
Madoki wrote:
Roy could affect the air with his alchemy, to make it so that Zuko’s fire would combust in his face, it doesn’t matter how fire is created, whether bending or alchemy, fire is fire and retains all of its chemical properties, Roy is an expert at altering it, he only needs a spark to make a bomb where ever he likes, if Zuko firebends he’ll probably be blown up
lol thank you... finally someone with a head full of logic XP
Madoki wrote:
Roy could affect the air with his alchemy, to make it so that Zuko’s fire would combust in his face, it doesn’t matter how fire is created, whether bending or alchemy, fire is fire and retains all of its chemical properties, Roy is an expert at altering it, he only needs a spark to make a bomb where ever he likes, if Zuko firebends he’ll probably be blown up
No, it doesn’t. If it did, it wouldn’t burn at all, since normal fire needs fuel. Why should it need or be affected by oxygen?
If you guys want to Roy to win without actually proving Roy is more powerful or smarter, but would win by cheating, be my guest.
Madoki wrote:
Roy could affect the air with his alchemy, to make it so that Zuko’s fire would combust in his face, it doesn’t matter how fire is created, whether bending or alchemy, fire is fire and retains all of its chemical properties, Roy is an expert at altering it, he only needs a spark to make a bomb where ever he likes, if Zuko firebends he’ll probably be blown up
No, it doesn’t. If it did, it wouldn’t burn at all, since normal fire needs fuel. Why should it need or be affected by oxygen?
If you guys want to Roy to win without actually proving Roy is more powerful or smarter, but would win by cheating, be my guest.
All fire has to have oxygen to burn. Nothing in Avatar controdicts that. Hao Asakura from Shaman King has magic fire, actually on a godly level that can burn EVERYTHING yet it still feeds of Oxygen. So you’re point fails.
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Kurt Donald Cobain wrote:
All fire has to have oxygen to burn. Nothing in Avatar controdicts that. Hao Asakura from Shaman King has magic fire, actually on a godly level that can burn EVERYTHING yet it still feeds of Oxygen. So you’re point fails.
All normal fire. Firebending is not normal fire, it’s common sense. If it was normal, it would need fuel. But it doesn’t. Also, Hao Asakura =/= Zuko. So what if his fire needs oxygen? That doesn’t prove anything about Zuko.
so you’re saying its supernatural fire, not affected by oxygen? Like Hellfire? look if thats the case you need to provide more info. He says the energy of the fire comes from within the body from the breath seems like it needs oxygen to me.
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