so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
More or less, yes. I still have the belief that he rose from the dead, but being God, no. Son of God, that I do believe. Heaven and Hell? I believe.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
More or less, yes. I still have the belief that he rose from the dead, but being God, no. Son of God, that I do believe. Heaven and Hell? I believe.
wait...so, your saying you agree with everything that protistants say, sept you believe that there is a separation between God and jesus?
just to make sure, i’m sure you know, but i have to make sure...in the christian faith, jesus is God, but he is also the son of God. this is known as the most confusing aspect of christianity. he is both 100% God and 100% man. the trinity, three in one.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
More or less, yes. I still have the belief that he rose from the dead, but being God, no. Son of God, that I do believe. Heaven and Hell? I believe.
wait...so, your saying you agree with everything that protistants say, sept you believe that there is a separation between God and jesus?
just to make sure, i’m sure you know, but i have to make sure...in the christian faith, jesus is God, but he is also the son of God. this is known as the most confusing aspect of christianity. he is both 100% God and 100% man. the trinity, three in one.
Jesus is God? I’m with the belief that he is the Son of God. It’s confusing, I know.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
More or less, yes. I still have the belief that he rose from the dead, but being God, no. Son of God, that I do believe. Heaven and Hell? I believe.
wait...so, your saying you agree with everything that protistants say, sept you believe that there is a separation between God and jesus?
just to make sure, i’m sure you know, but i have to make sure...in the christian faith, jesus is God, but he is also the son of God. this is known as the most confusing aspect of christianity. he is both 100% God and 100% man. the trinity, three in one.
Jesus is God? I’m with the belief that he is the Son of God. It’s confusing, I know.
nah, i get that belief. it makes more sense. he is Gods kid. its just an interesting distinction from what i’ve learned. what i’ve grown up being taught is that jesus somehow is God, and at the same time, is God’s kid, or the son of God, if that sounds better.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
More or less, yes. I still have the belief that he rose from the dead, but being God, no. Son of God, that I do believe. Heaven and Hell? I believe.
wait...so, your saying you agree with everything that protistants say, sept you believe that there is a separation between God and jesus?
just to make sure, i’m sure you know, but i have to make sure...in the christian faith, jesus is God, but he is also the son of God. this is known as the most confusing aspect of christianity. he is both 100% God and 100% man. the trinity, three in one.
Jesus is God? I’m with the belief that he is the Son of God. It’s confusing, I know.
nah, i get that belief. it makes more sense. he is Gods kid. its just an interesting distinction from what i’ve learned. what i’ve grown up being taught is that jesus somehow is God, and at the same time, is God’s kid, or the son of God, if that sounds better.
This will help out some.
The idea that Jesus is the only divine Son of God came originally from Paul of Tarsus, who called himself an “apostle” (messenger) of Jesus. Paul wrote, ". . . . Christ Jesus, who though he was in the form of God did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped (sought), but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:5-11).
Although Paul viewed Jesus as the divine Son of God, Paul did not view Jesus as equal to “God." Paul wrote, “Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist” (I Corinthians 8:6). “When all things are subjected to him (Jesus), then the Son himself will also be subjected to Him (God the Father) who put all things under him (Jesus), that God may be everything to everyone” (I Corinthians 15:28).
Paul believed that God the Father had chosen Jesus to be the “messiah” or “lord” (ruler) of the world, but that Jesus is subordinate to God the Father. Paul also believed that God the Father used Jesus to create the world and humankind. This latter belief reflects the influence of Greek philosophy. The Greek philosopher Heraclitus, six centuries before the Christian Era, believed that a “logos” (a creative intelligence, or “mind” created the order of the world. Paul was from the city of Tarsus where Greek ideas were well-known. This idea of the “logos” is also seen in the Gospel of John where the unknown writer claimed that the “logos” that created the world was incarnated (became flesh) in Jesus (John 1:1-14).
And off topic: Where’s Derdev? He hasn’t been on in forever. College taking up most of his time?
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
More or less, yes. I still have the belief that he rose from the dead, but being God, no. Son of God, that I do believe. Heaven and Hell? I believe.
wait...so, your saying you agree with everything that protistants say, sept you believe that there is a separation between God and jesus?
just to make sure, i’m sure you know, but i have to make sure...in the christian faith, jesus is God, but he is also the son of God. this is known as the most confusing aspect of christianity. he is both 100% God and 100% man. the trinity, three in one.
Jesus is God? I’m with the belief that he is the Son of God. It’s confusing, I know.
nah, i get that belief. it makes more sense. he is Gods kid. its just an interesting distinction from what i’ve learned. what i’ve grown up being taught is that jesus somehow is God, and at the same time, is God’s kid, or the son of God, if that sounds better.
This will help out some.
The idea that Jesus is the only divine Son of God came originally from Paul of Tarsus, who called himself an “apostle” (messenger) of Jesus. Paul wrote, ". . . . Christ Jesus, who though he was in the form of God did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped (sought), but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:5-11).
Although Paul viewed Jesus as the divine Son of God, Paul did not view Jesus as equal to “God." Paul wrote, “Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist” (I Corinthians 8:6). “When all things are subjected to him (Jesus), then the Son himself will also be subjected to Him (God the Father) who put all things under him (Jesus), that God may be everything to everyone” (I Corinthians 15:28).
Paul believed that God the Father had chosen Jesus to be the “messiah” or “lord” (ruler) of the world, but that Jesus is subordinate to God the Father. Paul also believed that God the Father used Jesus to create the world and humankind. This latter belief reflects the influence of Greek philosophy. The Greek philosopher Heraclitus, six centuries before the Christian Era, believed that a “logos” (a creative intelligence, or “mind” created the order of the world. Paul was from the city of Tarsus where Greek ideas were well-known. This idea of the “logos” is also seen in the Gospel of John where the unknown writer claimed that the “logos” that created the world was incarnated (became flesh) in Jesus (John 1:1-14).
And off topic: Where’s Derdev? He hasn’t been on in forever. College taking up most of his time?
interesting stuff.
derek? he’s pretty much abandoned this sight. says theirs not much point to coming back on.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
More or less, yes. I still have the belief that he rose from the dead, but being God, no. Son of God, that I do believe. Heaven and Hell? I believe.
wait...so, your saying you agree with everything that protistants say, sept you believe that there is a separation between God and jesus?
just to make sure, i’m sure you know, but i have to make sure...in the christian faith, jesus is God, but he is also the son of God. this is known as the most confusing aspect of christianity. he is both 100% God and 100% man. the trinity, three in one.
Jesus is God? I’m with the belief that he is the Son of God. It’s confusing, I know.
nah, i get that belief. it makes more sense. he is Gods kid. its just an interesting distinction from what i’ve learned. what i’ve grown up being taught is that jesus somehow is God, and at the same time, is God’s kid, or the son of God, if that sounds better.
This will help out some.
The idea that Jesus is the only divine Son of God came originally from Paul of Tarsus, who called himself an “apostle” (messenger) of Jesus. Paul wrote, ". . . . Christ Jesus, who though he was in the form of God did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped (sought), but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:5-11).
Although Paul viewed Jesus as the divine Son of God, Paul did not view Jesus as equal to “God." Paul wrote, “Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist” (I Corinthians 8:6). “When all things are subjected to him (Jesus), then the Son himself will also be subjected to Him (God the Father) who put all things under him (Jesus), that God may be everything to everyone” (I Corinthians 15:28).
Paul believed that God the Father had chosen Jesus to be the “messiah” or “lord” (ruler) of the world, but that Jesus is subordinate to God the Father. Paul also believed that God the Father used Jesus to create the world and humankind. This latter belief reflects the influence of Greek philosophy. The Greek philosopher Heraclitus, six centuries before the Christian Era, believed that a “logos” (a creative intelligence, or “mind” created the order of the world. Paul was from the city of Tarsus where Greek ideas were well-known. This idea of the “logos” is also seen in the Gospel of John where the unknown writer claimed that the “logos” that created the world was incarnated (became flesh) in Jesus (John 1:1-14).
And off topic: Where’s Derdev? He hasn’t been on in forever. College taking up most of his time?
interesting stuff.
derek? he’s pretty much abandoned this sight. says theirs not much point to coming back on.
Yes, very interesting.
And I kinda agree with him, beside me modding the versus forums and shit.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
How could you be a Christian without Christ you’d just be an ian.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
How could you be a Christian without Christ you’d just be an ian.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
How could you be a Christian without Christ you’d just be an ian.
“Christian Deists consider themselves to be disciples (students) of Jesus because Jesus taught the natural laws of God. But Christian Deists recognize that Jesus was only human. Jesus had to struggle with his own times of disappointment, sorrow, anger, prejudice, impatience, and despair, just as other human beings struggle with these experiences. Jesus never claimed to be perfect but he was committed to following God’s natural laws of love."
dats how. basically, jesus = major profit, not God.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
How could you be a Christian without Christ you’d just be an ian.
“Christian Deists consider themselves to be disciples (students) of Jesus because Jesus taught the natural laws of God. But Christian Deists recognize that Jesus was only human. Jesus had to struggle with his own times of disappointment, sorrow, anger, prejudice, impatience, and despair, just as other human beings struggle with these experiences. Jesus never claimed to be perfect but he was committed to following God’s natural laws of love."
dats how. basically, jesus = major profit, not God.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
How could you be a Christian without Christ you’d just be an ian.
“Christian Deists consider themselves to be disciples (students) of Jesus because Jesus taught the natural laws of God. But Christian Deists recognize that Jesus was only human. Jesus had to struggle with his own times of disappointment, sorrow, anger, prejudice, impatience, and despair, just as other human beings struggle with these experiences. Jesus never claimed to be perfect but he was committed to following God’s natural laws of love."
dats how. basically, jesus = major profit, not God.
I unno about that now.
what do you mean? thats pretty obviously what the link you posted is saying. it stresses jesus’s importance, but says clearly he isn’t God. actually, my quote summarizes that better then i thought. i had missed the beginning.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
How could you be a Christian without Christ you’d just be an ian.
“Christian Deists consider themselves to be disciples (students) of Jesus because Jesus taught the natural laws of God. But Christian Deists recognize that Jesus was only human. Jesus had to struggle with his own times of disappointment, sorrow, anger, prejudice, impatience, and despair, just as other human beings struggle with these experiences. Jesus never claimed to be perfect but he was committed to following God’s natural laws of love."
dats how. basically, jesus = major profit, not God.
I unno about that now.
what do you mean? thats pretty obviously what the link you posted is saying. it stresses jesus’s importance, but says clearly he isn’t God. actually, my quote summarizes that better then i thought. i had missed the beginning.
Ah, I see. I must read more then. Confusing it is.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
How could you be a Christian without Christ you’d just be an ian.
“Christian Deists consider themselves to be disciples (students) of Jesus because Jesus taught the natural laws of God. But Christian Deists recognize that Jesus was only human. Jesus had to struggle with his own times of disappointment, sorrow, anger, prejudice, impatience, and despair, just as other human beings struggle with these experiences. Jesus never claimed to be perfect but he was committed to following God’s natural laws of love."
dats how. basically, jesus = major profit, not God.
I unno about that now.
what do you mean? thats pretty obviously what the link you posted is saying. it stresses jesus’s importance, but says clearly he isn’t God. actually, my quote summarizes that better then i thought. i had missed the beginning.
Ah, I see. I must read more then. Confusing it is.
mmhmm. this is VERY close to my beliefs, except i’m a bit more orthodox.
kev360 wrote:
so, its the same as protestants, except they don’t believe that jesus rose from the dead/is God, and they believe that there is no hell? also, the predestination thing, but that changes from doctrine to doctrine.
How could you be a Christian without Christ you’d just be an ian.
“Christian Deists consider themselves to be disciples (students) of Jesus because Jesus taught the natural laws of God. But Christian Deists recognize that Jesus was only human. Jesus had to struggle with his own times of disappointment, sorrow, anger, prejudice, impatience, and despair, just as other human beings struggle with these experiences. Jesus never claimed to be perfect but he was committed to following God’s natural laws of love."
dats how. basically, jesus = major profit, not God.
I unno about that now.
what do you mean? thats pretty obviously what the link you posted is saying. it stresses jesus’s importance, but says clearly he isn’t God. actually, my quote summarizes that better then i thought. i had missed the beginning.
Ah, I see. I must read more then. Confusing it is.
mmhmm. this is VERY close to my beliefs, except i’m a bit more orthodox.
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created the order of the world. Paul was from the city of Tarsus where Greek ideas were well-known. This idea of the “logos” is also seen in the Gospel of John where the unknown writer claimed that the “logos” that created the world was incarnated (became flesh) in Jesus (John 1:1-14).
