Super 17 vs Post crisis superman

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super 17 can fight forever, steal energy, absorb energy, survived a blast from a ssj4 Goku trying to self distruct which is probably enough to destroy a good part of the universe. Kicked Goku into space from earth. Can react faster than instant, and let’s face it, looks damn awesome. Could be beat superman?

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I think this is a good battle actually. Well Superman won’t throw anything out for him to absorb. Though Superman COULD potentially win if he flies through him like Goku did. He was reacting to Goku’s IT because he could hear it so this makes it all the more interesting.

Wasn’t it said the sun couldn’t hurt SSJ4 Goku? If so Super 17 is stronger than the sun as he can do more damage to him than the sun.

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I don’t think so and I need to see the feat,too. Plus 17 only absorbed ki anyway via speedblitz.

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he absorbs physical attacks.

Speed Blits + Super 17 = Super Speedy power enlargment

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He does? Show me, please.

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He has been shown to absorb ki blasts. I don’t know where you’re getting the physical attacks from.

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I loled when he said destroy a good part of the universe.Yes this is actually a good debate though.

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By versus debate standards, they both know each others weaknesses, correct?

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Oh my God, this is what he said about Surfer
So how does 17 > Surfer in speed?

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Goku’s IT is instant and 17 could follow Goku’s movements and couter attack.

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Surfer can see into the future, think faster than Goku, and time travel. Not to mention he has nano seconds reflexes and light is a bitch to him.

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Thats just it, 17 doesn’t see in to the future, he actually heard Goku moving(INSTANTLY) which shows 17 has good hearing and the fact he knew exactly where Goku was tells you how good 17’s reflexes are.

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About that. You mean this ability?

Ultra Sensitivity - By concentrating his mind, Super 17 can sense the very changes in the air and sound, which allows him to detect even the stealthiest opponents, such as Goku using the Shunkan Ido. This ability can be disrupted by loud sounds such as explosions.

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Superman won’t be causing loud sounds when he is trying to speedblitz though. Besides if he could detect instant movements, then Superman is going to be like a turtle to detect.

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But how is that better than Surfers?

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Although, there is also another factor, 17 absorbing Superman’s energy. But then again, there’s also a limit to what he can take each time that he absorbs, for example, when he absorbed Goku’s 10x Kamehameha. Didn’t he almost overload?

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Going back in time will lose Surfer the battle because he left the battlefield. What I mean is even if Surfer is moving quick enough to be instant speed, 17 could react.

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It just depends how long he leaves the battle field, remember there is a time frame to get back.

Surfer is faster than instant.

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Actually, if he leaves by his own choice, then he loses. That goes for both of them. Then again, the battlefield has not even been chosen.