ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Goku’s IT is instant and 17 could follow Goku’s movements and couter attack.
About that. You mean this ability?
Ultra Sensitivity - By concentrating his mind, Super 17 can sense the very changes in the air and sound, which allows him to detect even the stealthiest opponents, such as Goku using the Shunkan Ido. This ability can be disrupted by loud sounds such as explosions.
Superman won’t be causing loud sounds when he is trying to speedblitz though. Besides if he could detect instant movements, then Superman is going to be like a turtle to detect.
Although, there is also another factor, 17 absorbing Superman’s energy. But then again, there’s also a limit to what he can take each time that he absorbs, for example, when he absorbed Goku’s 10x Kamehameha. Didn’t he almost overload?
He got really big and shit, he showed no worries. It is only bad when he gets that big and then someone plows through him and then destroys his body from there. Well anyway, Superman can easily shrug off planet busters. SSJ Goku took out Rildo who was as strong as Majin Buu. SSJ4 10x kamehameha was defently use of more energy and power than he used against Rildo. Not only that but Gohan once punched Frieza and he exploded at base. We all know Frieza’s body is powerful enough to sustain a planet explosion yet Gohan’s punch destroyed him comepletly. 17 took Gohans’s Kamehameha and didn’t so much as flinch.
That’s the problem with GT. So many contradictions.
Where is the controdiction?
I unno. Just had something on my mind then.
Yeah, So I dunno if Supes can phase Super 17 or not. There would be no reason for Gohan to use less force on Super 17 than he did with that punch with Frieza(Who’s body can sustain a planet buster and he comepletly destroyed it with a punch)
So Gohan’s punch>Frieza’s body and durability>Planet explosion
Super 17 was UNPHASED by Gohan’s Kamehameha which is logically>>His punch. I don’t remember Superman ever using a punch to destroy someone comepletly who could survive a planet explosion or even just the BODY.
I don’t know about 17 surviving a planet explosion, but absorbing a planet exploding attack, he seems to be able to, since he’s absorbed such attacks as Goku’s 10x Kamehameha, but even still, absorbing such an attack makes him vulnerable to damage.
Frieza survies planet explosions, Gohan’s punch destroyed him. Gohan’s Kamehameha which is logically using more power against 17 couldn’t phase him.
But, what if Gohan’s punch>Trunks' sword>Planet explosion? Isn’t that how it should do? I mean, Freiza couldn’t even endure an attack from a sword.
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And Goku was able to block his sword with a finger, and yet he can’t even take a needle.
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Goku’s IT is instant and 17 could follow Goku’s movements and couter attack.
About that. You mean this ability?
Ultra Sensitivity - By concentrating his mind, Super 17 can sense the very changes in the air and sound, which allows him to detect even the stealthiest opponents, such as Goku using the Shunkan Ido. This ability can be disrupted by loud sounds such as explosions.
Superman won’t be causing loud sounds when he is trying to speedblitz though. Besides if he could detect instant movements, then Superman is going to be like a turtle to detect.
Although, there is also another factor, 17 absorbing Superman’s energy. But then again, there’s also a limit to what he can take each time that he absorbs, for example, when he absorbed Goku’s 10x Kamehameha. Didn’t he almost overload?
He got really big and shit, he showed no worries. It is only bad when he gets that big and then someone plows through him and then destroys his body from there. Well anyway, Superman can easily shrug off planet busters. SSJ Goku took out Rildo who was as strong as Majin Buu. SSJ4 10x kamehameha was defently use of more energy and power than he used against Rildo. Not only that but Gohan once punched Frieza and he exploded at base. We all know Frieza’s body is powerful enough to sustain a planet explosion yet Gohan’s punch destroyed him comepletly. 17 took Gohans’s Kamehameha and didn’t so much as flinch.
That’s the problem with GT. So many contradictions.
Where is the controdiction?
I unno. Just had something on my mind then.
Yeah, So I dunno if Supes can phase Super 17 or not. There would be no reason for Gohan to use less force on Super 17 than he did with that punch with Frieza(Who’s body can sustain a planet buster and he comepletly destroyed it with a punch)
So Gohan’s punch>Frieza’s body and durability>Planet explosion
Super 17 was UNPHASED by Gohan’s Kamehameha which is logically>>His punch. I don’t remember Superman ever using a punch to destroy someone comepletly who could survive a planet explosion or even just the BODY.
I don’t know about 17 surviving a planet explosion, but absorbing a planet exploding attack, he seems to be able to, since he’s absorbed such attacks as Goku’s 10x Kamehameha, but even still, absorbing such an attack makes him vulnerable to damage.
Frieza survies planet explosions, Gohan’s punch destroyed him. Gohan’s Kamehameha which is logically using more power against 17 couldn’t phase him.
But, what if Gohan’s punch>Trunks' sword>Planet explosion? Isn’t that how it should do? I mean, Freiza couldn’t even endure an attack from a sword.
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And Goku was able to block his sword with a finger, and yet he can’t even take a needle.
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Well I dunno, How strong are Supes punches?
It’s probably hyperbole, but in one scan, it was stated that his punches could destroy small planets, and this is possibly at full power, but could by hyperbole.
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Well I dunno, How strong are Supes punches?
It’s probably hyperbole, but in one scan, it was stated that his punches could destroy small planets, and this is possibly at full power, but could by hyperbole.
Frieza’s body could survive a large planetary explosion yet Gohan’s punch COMEPLETLY destroyed him.
Gohan who logically used more energy on Super 17 than on Frieza with his kamehameha couldn’t even PHASE Super 17.
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Well I dunno, How strong are Supes punches?
It’s probably hyperbole, but in one scan, it was stated that his punches could destroy small planets, and this is possibly at full power, but could by hyperbole.
Frieza’s body could survive a large planetary explosion yet Gohan’s punch COMEPLETLY destroyed him.
Gohan who logically used more energy on Super 17 than on Frieza with his kamehameha couldn’t even PHASE Super 17.
He couldn’t, but if Goku had attacked him at the time that he was trying to absorb all of the energy, he could have been defeated.
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Well I dunno, How strong are Supes punches?
It’s probably hyperbole, but in one scan, it was stated that his punches could destroy small planets, and this is possibly at full power, but could by hyperbole.
Frieza’s body could survive a large planetary explosion yet Gohan’s punch COMEPLETLY destroyed him.
Gohan who logically used more energy on Super 17 than on Frieza with his kamehameha couldn’t even PHASE Super 17.
He couldn’t, but if Goku had attacked him at the time that he was trying to absorb all of the energy, he could have been defeated.
And thats the big weakness and disadvantage for Supes here. His only real weakness was only exploited when he absorbed massive amounts of ki. Superman doesn’t use ki blasts or anything.
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Well I dunno, How strong are Supes punches?
It’s probably hyperbole, but in one scan, it was stated that his punches could destroy small planets, and this is possibly at full power, but could by hyperbole.
Frieza’s body could survive a large planetary explosion yet Gohan’s punch COMEPLETLY destroyed him.
Gohan who logically used more energy on Super 17 than on Frieza with his kamehameha couldn’t even PHASE Super 17.
He couldn’t, but if Goku had attacked him at the time that he was trying to absorb all of the energy, he could have been defeated.
And thats the big weakness and disadvantage for Supes here. His only real weakness was only exploited when he absorbed massive amounts of ki. Superman doesn’t use ki blasts or anything.
But he does emit solar energy from using heat vision, no?
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Well I dunno, How strong are Supes punches?
It’s probably hyperbole, but in one scan, it was stated that his punches could destroy small planets, and this is possibly at full power, but could by hyperbole.
Frieza’s body could survive a large planetary explosion yet Gohan’s punch COMEPLETLY destroyed him.
Gohan who logically used more energy on Super 17 than on Frieza with his kamehameha couldn’t even PHASE Super 17.
He couldn’t, but if Goku had attacked him at the time that he was trying to absorb all of the energy, he could have been defeated.
And thats the big weakness and disadvantage for Supes here. His only real weakness was only exploited when he absorbed massive amounts of ki. Superman doesn’t use ki blasts or anything.
But he does emit solar energy from using heat vision, no?
17 could dodge it probably, he only absorbs ki from my knowledge.
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Well I dunno, How strong are Supes punches?
It’s probably hyperbole, but in one scan, it was stated that his punches could destroy small planets, and this is possibly at full power, but could by hyperbole.
Frieza’s body could survive a large planetary explosion yet Gohan’s punch COMEPLETLY destroyed him.
Gohan who logically used more energy on Super 17 than on Frieza with his kamehameha couldn’t even PHASE Super 17.
He couldn’t, but if Goku had attacked him at the time that he was trying to absorb all of the energy, he could have been defeated.
And thats the big weakness and disadvantage for Supes here. His only real weakness was only exploited when he absorbed massive amounts of ki. Superman doesn’t use ki blasts or anything.
But he does emit solar energy from using heat vision, no?
17 could dodge it probably, he only absorbs ki from my knowledge.
From looking at Ultraman’s earlier statement, he had said that Gero said energy, not ki.
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Well I dunno, How strong are Supes punches?
It’s probably hyperbole, but in one scan, it was stated that his punches could destroy small planets, and this is possibly at full power, but could by hyperbole.
Frieza’s body could survive a large planetary explosion yet Gohan’s punch COMEPLETLY destroyed him.
Gohan who logically used more energy on Super 17 than on Frieza with his kamehameha couldn’t even PHASE Super 17.
He couldn’t, but if Goku had attacked him at the time that he was trying to absorb all of the energy, he could have been defeated.
And thats the big weakness and disadvantage for Supes here. His only real weakness was only exploited when he absorbed massive amounts of ki. Superman doesn’t use ki blasts or anything.
But he does emit solar energy from using heat vision, no?
17 could dodge it probably, he only absorbs ki from my knowledge.
From looking at Ultraman’s earlier statement, he had said that Gero said energy, not ki.
Then he should have been able to absorb all the kinetic energy from Goku’s dragon fist move.
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Well I dunno, How strong are Supes punches?
It’s probably hyperbole, but in one scan, it was stated that his punches could destroy small planets, and this is possibly at full power, but could by hyperbole.
Frieza’s body could survive a large planetary explosion yet Gohan’s punch COMEPLETLY destroyed him.
Gohan who logically used more energy on Super 17 than on Frieza with his kamehameha couldn’t even PHASE Super 17.
He couldn’t, but if Goku had attacked him at the time that he was trying to absorb all of the energy, he could have been defeated.
And thats the big weakness and disadvantage for Supes here. His only real weakness was only exploited when he absorbed massive amounts of ki. Superman doesn’t use ki blasts or anything.
But he does emit solar energy from using heat vision, no?
17 could dodge it probably, he only absorbs ki from my knowledge.
From looking at Ultraman’s earlier statement, he had said that Gero said energy, not ki.
Then he should have been able to absorb all the kinetic energy from Goku’s dragon fist move.
except Goku stated 17 let himself get hit cause the good part of him wanted to lose. he even said “I should have been able to absorb that” but the good part of him prevented him from doing so
Invaderzym wrote:
super 17 rapes superman no effort at all
LOL at this.This is your response for just about every thread involving Supes and a DBZ character.Supes has defeated opponents that would have 17 shit himself.Its a good fight but not one sided like you always try to make of.
Well I dunno, How strong are Supes punches?
It’s probably hyperbole, but in one scan, it was stated that his punches could destroy small planets, and this is possibly at full power, but could by hyperbole.
Frieza’s body could survive a large planetary explosion yet Gohan’s punch COMEPLETLY destroyed him.
Gohan who logically used more energy on Super 17 than on Frieza with his kamehameha couldn’t even PHASE Super 17.
He couldn’t, but if Goku had attacked him at the time that he was trying to absorb all of the energy, he could have been defeated.
And thats the big weakness and disadvantage for Supes here. His only real weakness was only exploited when he absorbed massive amounts of ki. Superman doesn’t use ki blasts or anything.
But he does emit solar energy from using heat vision, no?
17 could dodge it probably, he only absorbs ki from my knowledge.
From looking at Ultraman’s earlier statement, he had said that Gero said energy, not ki.
Then he should have been able to absorb all the kinetic energy from Goku’s dragon fist move.
except Goku stated 17 let himself get hit cause the good part of him wanted to lose. he even said “I should have been able to absorb that” but the good part of him prevented him from doing so
You might want to watch the battle again. He was not absorbing 18’s blasts. He was actually shielding himself, which gave away his weakness. This is the best I could find, unless someone can find a japanese subbed vid of the fight.
Darth Nihilus wrote:
You might want to watch the battle again. He was not absorbing 18’s blasts. He was actually shielding himself, which gave away his weakness. This is the best I could find, unless someone can find a japanese subbed vid of the fight.
Hm, I remember him saying “I should have been able to absorb it” was it another version.
Darth Nihilus wrote:
If you have an original Japanese vid, or another vid, post it.
I just checked and the japanese version doesn’t say anything other than “damn” but he still lost of purpose so it’s possible he could absorb the kinetic energy
Darth Nihilus wrote:
If you have an original Japanese vid, or another vid, post it.
I just checked and the japanese version doesn’t say anything other than “damn” but he still lost of purpose so it’s possible he could absorb the kinetic energy
If you know of where I can watch the Japanese version, post a source, or the video.
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