Link vs cloud

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Well, as much as that nazi guy desrves his insults, they’re a little off topic. Just ignore him and he’ll probably go and find some other people to try and impress by talking like a racist.

Anyway, back on the topic:

I’ve noticed that people keep going back to the “Cloud just stands still and waits to attack” argument. I would again say just watch Advent Children. If anyone doesn’t know, that is a film which Cloud is in and he is clearly not a turn based attacker.
Oh, and someone said a while back that Link’s arrows would beat Cloud. Unfortunately for Link, Cloud could block them with his sword. He can block bullets, so I don’t think arrows would be too much of a problem.

Shining Tears

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i TOTALY agree with you....NONE! of links weapons can harm cloud.

Cid

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Ignore them eh? okay I’ll do that.

Alright in all seriousness, Cloud would beat Link, I know this, but I think that if they were just sword fighting with no extra items or weapons, that Link may have a chance, no one can say that, under these conditions, Cloud would beat Link with ease, the point is Link it just too skilled to be beaten quickly if at all, now if Cloud was given all his Materia and Link all his weapons, Cloud would win, because the Materia is just too powerful, even with Naryu’s Love, some of the summons take so long to exucute, that it would run out in the middle of them. That is the reason that they would both need to be Sword to Sword for Link to have a chance, as stated before, Link is a master swordsman so Cloud would have a good fight on his hands.

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Link’s weapons would affect cloud they are magic swords and shiels that would no doubt block and kill cloud but a lot of people believe cloud would win I just need proof you guys haven’t told me any attacks or what they do.

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and Ayran, NOBODY LIKES YOU, YOUR A LOSER WITH NO LIFE, I’m taking high school science in 8th grade, taking high schoole french and Getting A’s in my English class with Honors, I’m probably a lot smarter than you my friend.

Shining Tears

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like i said before....................NONE OF LINK’S WEAPON’S CAN HARM CLOUD.

Shining Tears

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lmao hey look what i found http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/arcadia/209/id45.htm

Sakura

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nice shining tears lol but they made cloud to much of a joke in that here’s a better one http://www.teenspot.com/boards/showthread.html?p=5235275#post5235275....link sucks...cloud is very cute and strong *blushes*

Cid

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Alright how to explain this... First we’ll start off with a short lesson in the History of both characters. Prepare for a long post...

Cloud was a Shinra grunt, you may say “ok he was a grunt so he was weak” but you couldn’t be more wrong, diving into the past of FF7 you’ll find out that there was a great war about 6-7 years before the game began, this war was the Great Wutai Uprising, in this war Sephiroth was the big hero who came out in the end, this we all know, now you may be thinking what the hell does this have to do with Cloud? well it’s going to explain why he was a grunt. What you didn’t find out in the game is that Sephiroth went insane during that war and slaughtered many people (his own men included) this was Zack’s first assignment... Zack managed to knock out Sephiroth from behind, thus Zack was promoted from a grunt to a full fledged 1st class soldier. During this time Cloud was in Nibelheim he had just decided that he would join Soldier, but Cloud was unlucky, he joined at a bad time, the war was over and there was no real way for anyone to climb in the ranks of the army, so even though Cloud was really strong he couldn’t really prove it. That about explains Clouds past, up untill the events of Last Order.

Link is a mere child with amazing Sword Skills, the hero of time, saver of the universe and all that good stuff, Link’s Swordsmanship came natually for him. His Legendary Master Sword/Magic Sword has the ability to repel evil, among other traits that vary from game to game, now Link’s past is very hard to dive into, as every Link from every game (with the exception of a few such as Majora’s Mask) is different, thus Link has 10+ different pasts. The basic story is Ganon/Ganondorf appears, kidnaps Princess Zelda, and Link is forced into an adventure to save her and the land of Hyrue. This is about as much as you can say about Link’s past, mainly because I don’t want to be typing all night long, so I’ll get along with the point.

Cloud is a very strong individual, it shows, although he never beat Sephiroth in the game, (Safer and Bizzaro don’t count and the one on one sword fight at the end was Cloud trying to drive Sephiroth from his mind)He is still an expert fighter, quite possibly even surpassing his old buddy Zack, but that remains to be seen. Link is also a strong fighter, but Link has one weakness against Cloud, The Master Sword, it has the power to Repel evil but won’t do didly against one who is good, but Link does have a few back-ups such as the Biggorons Sword, Kokori Blade, and the magic sword from the Four Swords. The reason Link would have a chance in a all out Swords Only Fight is that Magic Sword, it allowed him to split into four different Links, and Cloud might have some trouble with that. As stated before though if Cloud had materia he would destroy poor Link, the main reasons are the summons, take Bahumut Zero, it takes forever for the summoning animation, during which the enemies become immobile, but this really doesn’t count as Link can move freely at all times, the problem is that Cloud becomes invincible during the summoning, he disappears, making it impossible for Link to hit him, and if that isn’t enough combined with quadra-magic he can cast it four times straight, but to screw Link up even more Cloud has W-Summon, allowing Cloud a grand total of 8 Bahumut Zero Summons in one turn. Link’s Naryu’s Love takes magic to use, and a good chunk of it at that, so he can only use it a limited amount of times, where Cloud, given the correct Materia can cast his magic an infinite number of times.

So if you read all of that I commend you, and also you may be able to weigh the fight more evenly instead of picking favorites. I am, as of right now, Neutral on this subject.

Shining Tears

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wow nice story cid....o and btw cloud is way stronger than zach could ever possibly be....as we see in the last order movie zach was mearly a fly to sephiroth...so was cloud but that was until he stabbed cloud and held him off the edge which it would seem awaiken his power’s..but anyway back to the topic ....Link has noooooooooooooooooooooo chance sword to sword none what so ever and im not saying that because i like cloud better i mean when i played zelda Ocarina of Time i always though cloud would b childs play to link...but i was so wrong after i play final fantasy 7 i saw cloud’s unbelievable power’s then i knew link stand no chance but of course that wasnt enough for me to admit it...but then when i saw Advent Children........ROFLMAO i knew then 100% link is a mear pest to cloud master sword or not cloud would destroy him i mean cloud from bahamut all the way to sephiroth....his stamina and skills surpass link BY FAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!!!!!.....like seriously do you think link could survive bahamuts mega flare that he shot at cloud and all cloud did was flew through it like it was nothing link on the other hand wouldnt even be able to get at him..come on like seriously sword to sword there’s no way i mean link may have a chance if he use all hist weapons/fairies ect and cloud use his sword only..but not even then would link still stand a chance.......

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You got that history of Cloud wrong a bit I think. When did all that Zack knocking out Sephiroth from behind stuff happen? Isn’t the only time you see much of Zack when him, Cloud and Seph go to Nibelheim to look at the reactor there? Because Zack was already 1st class then, and that’s when Sephiroth goes insane because he finds out how he was created. I’m pretty sure of this, but I haven’t played FF7 for a while, correct me if I am incorrect. And Cloud is a lot stronger than Zack, it’s Zack that you control in the flashback in Kalm and he’s pathetic. His attack does about 20 about he only has about 100 hp, so Cloud is a lot stronger, even at the very beginning of the game.

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Link in wind waker is trained by the Sword master Orca and givin the rank of sword master and is taught a move only learned by the most expierenced warriors the hurricane spin, his battles forced him to use his mind and strategy rather than brute force,

and shining tears that was really stupid he has no armor and links primary weapon (the master sword) is the sword of evils bane that when plunged into ganondorf’s head cast him into stone, Links skill came naturally not to mention he controls the winds so he can teleport and control others with weak minds, When he puts on the majora’s mask he becomes an unstoppable demon not to mention he can transform into a wolfthe only down side to link I think he needs a new costume.

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and yes the master sword can harm the good although it is primarily designed to fend off evil it can harm good, ie, in wind waker you can attack Orca with the hurricane spin and even when not sparring with him, you can attack animals around in the game and in ssb and ssbm he uses that sword to battle with the best of the best, his mirror shield can deflect attacks back at the caster, although I’m not sure i this will affect the fight but he can transform into a wolf

guys you have to give me credit I’m providing a semi-good arguement by myself.

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I was looking back a bit and I saw someone said they didn’t know Cloud’s moves or what they do. So here are some ones that would be useful against Link:
Knights of the round(KOTR)-A summon spell. Cloud disappears and the enemy is transported into this kind of vortex thing where 13(roughly) knights attack them, each doing 6-8000 damage. The most a character can have is 9999, so this is very powerful.
Final Attack-Phoenix. This is a combination of skills. It means that if Cloud dies he will use Phoenix as a final attack. Phoenix hurts all enemies quite a lot and restores dead characters back to full health, so Cloud would bring himself back to life.
Omnislash. Cloud’s final Limit attack. He gets his sword and slashes the enemy about 16 times doing up to 9999 each time. The most powerful attack on the game.
Finishing touch-Sucks all enemies into a big vortex thing which either kills them or takes them up really high and drops them.
Quadra magic. When equipped with something else this allows Cloud to use an attack 4 times in a row for the mp price of 1.
Bad Breath. Turns all enemies into mini, asleep, poisoned, confused, silenced frogs.
A few last useful things- W-summon allows Cloud to use 2 summons at a time, hp Absorb gets Cloud hp back when equipped with an attack, mp absorb gets Cloud mp back when equipped with an attack. Mime allows Cloud to use whatever the previous move he used was for 0 mp. This gets rid of any limited amount constraints.

That’s a few attacks, if I’ve missed any important ones, please just add more to my list.

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Oh, and yeah you are putting forward a good argument, well done. Sorry for not putting this in the last one, but you posted while I was writing it so I couln’t see it.

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thank you but we should have thid fight two ways rpg style and free hand style (like in zelda)I think the hurricane slash could deflect the Omnislash and dropping in from very high he could use the Deku leaf which would bring him down to the ground slowly.

But could you explain the phoenex attack please (I could make a sprite battle for this but in comic form not animation)

Cid

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Alright most of the back story on Zack and Cloud comes from 2 things, Before Crisis Final Fantasy, and Final Fantasy VII Ultimanium, Ultimanium is a few hundred page book in Japan that explains a lot of things in great deatail, such as the fact that Sephiroth was in control of Jenova throughout the entire game. It also states that during Nibelheim incident that Zack was stronger than Cloud was, but Cloud improved his skills over the next 5 years. That is straight from the book, Sephiroth went insane (not completetly he had no memory of it after it happened) and killed a lot of people during the Wutai War. Now back to the arguement at hand, The reason Link would have a chance with a sword to sword fight is just the sheer number of moves he has, as previously stated in the Four Swords on the gamecube Link could become four different people, all with their own minds (provided you had four controllers and four friends) In the Wind Waker he had a rolling counter attack, it allowed him to roll behind an enemy and attack them, thus stoping the enemies attack, so Omnislash wouldn’t be effective, and neither would conventional attacks, Cloud would need to rely on Finishing Touch, Merteorain, and Bladebeam, his only non-physical atacks. You can’t count Link out that quickly though, as he can roll around and dodge most of cloud’s attacks, but as stated if Cloud had materia he would win hands down just refer to the really long-ass post I made to find out why.

ARYAN SUPERIOR

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"NOBODY LIKES YOU, YOUR A LOSER WITH NO LIFE”

Define life, please. Saying that I have no life is stupid in all accounts and makes no sense at all. Oh and thanks for taking away individuality by telling me to live a life like yours!

Oh and just because your in all those courses doesn’t change the fact that your an idiot. You could be a college grad with a Masters degree in everything and still considered an idiot based on your attitude. (which is self-rightous and arrogant, based on that post)

Shining Tears

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yes link can become four ppl but cloud doesnt have a problem taken on more then 1 person at a time like in AC....Yazoo/Loz/Kadaj they are all powerful yazoo is a excellent shooter,Loz is a Powerful Melee guy yet both of them are unable to defeat cloud together......yazoo shoots cloud while loz attacks yet unable to hit him with his bullets cloud is way to fast for bullets to hit him and link on the other hand is a very slow fighter as said in SSBM and is swordskills are crappy as seen in ocarina of time he cant only slash 3 times doin up to 3 hits which he wouldnt b able to touch cloud since he’s so slow...and yes hmmmm i believe thats how the story went since i just pass that part in ff7 today

hmmmm

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OK, the phoenix attack.

I’m going to give quite a long explanation of the whole thing here, so brace yourself.

Materia is equipped to characters to give them abilities. There are 5 types, one of which is summon materia. When this is equipped it allows the character to summon something to come and attack the enemies, while your characters disappear. In Phoenix a large phoenix is summoned and uses a move called rebirth flame. This attack blasts the enemy with fire and also resurrects any characters that have been knocked out.
Another type of materia is support materia. This can be equipped and linked with other materia to enhance the other materia. The final attack materia causes your character to use the move it is linked with as a last attack if they are knocked out. As Phoenix resurrects knocked out characters, using it as a last attack when you are knocked out resurrects your character.

Actually, looking at the bit in brackets it would appear you may just want a visual description, meaning I’ve wasted a lot of time here. Oh well. I don’t have the heart to rub out all that beginning bit, so here’s a visual description. A large red bird appears and spreads out it’s wings. A rainbow appears around it’s wings. I can’t remember what it actually does, but I think it breathes out fire that engulfes the enemy and then does something to the ground beneath it.

Hope that’s useful.

And ARYAN SUPERIOR, go rant somewhere else, your comments have no relevance to this topic.