PS3 Cell couldnt save IBM from being fired.

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Apple has had enough of IBM,s chipsets and has just fired them in favor of Intel. Why does this matter? lol if Cell was anywhere near where they claim it to be..They would have shown it to Apple and signed a huge contract. The next big chip will not be Cell but a Intel product the (Pentium M dual core). So all you Sony boys have nothing to wait for except excuses that is unless the PS3 has Intel inside.

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Its funny that Apples (IBM) G5 powerPC processor will be in the Xbox 360 x3. Microsoft must have got a sweet price ordering 100 million G5 processors from IBM. Microsoft will turn IBM,s G5 failure into a volume sucess with the 360.
Classic Microsoft really.

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your a knob,apple had fuck all to do with Cell,they did’nt want it cos they would hav had to rewrite all ther OS too take advantage of the Extra power.Also they wer after a Mmobile processer which Cell isn’t yet.

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I have to agree whole-heartedly with DogBreath. Apple tested the performance of the cell and found it sorely lacking. That apple guy always speaks the truth, he is known for being very open and straight-forward. He trashed the cell and went with intel. But he did also predict that x360s 3 powerpc set up would outperform the cell as well.
Sorry, to put a pin in your balloon there PS3fan but its true what dogbreath said and what he said will happen now. If you cannot accept that then i understand why

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Fair Minded:

Seeing that your name truelly speaks for unfair minded, u talk like the xbox 360 has already won this battle. Let me tell u this compadre, and is a fact, apple chose there path and intel was a good choice but what they didnt bother to look at, what the cell is gonna be capable of when finallized. The chip is not done yet, maybe 75% done and scary thing about the cell chip is it also supports graphics and alot of other shit I do not want to get into because I know people will just keep posting dumb shit denying this and that, but I honestly think that sony has something for microsoft, they just dont wanna bring it out yet because they will wait until the xbox 360 is launched and then unviel something else, that way they will get the upper hand. Like it or not but I think microsoft is taking a big risk launching early, but hey what other choice do they have? If they were to wait until sony came out and try and launch the same day they would just be digging themselves an early grave for the next gen war.

My point is that the cell chip is gonna be what it is hyped up to be and the graphics shown at E3 at the sony press conference will be just as good, maybe better with the finallized ps3. Xbox 360 is shitting bricks right now and is the reason for the early launch, and with sony countering them in every way with a late start will have the upperhand including nintendo. Nintendo and Sony been running the gaming industry, why do u think they are not afraid of letting microsoft launch first? Because both company’s already know the flaws of an early launch, and know what stradegy they are going to be using against microsoft.

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hey real_time, you cant infect fair-minded with your opinions....real_time, youre ps3fan/marty arent you? i thought so. typical.
anyway, fair minded had an opinion, which he stated, so stop bashing others for their opinions like you always whinge about like a typical pommy that you are, crying that “im just stating my opinion"

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gg:

Here comes captain save a hoe again to the rescue. Just because u are an xbox fanatic, doesnt mean u have to save every person who bashes on the ps3, and u talk about pointing people out. Look who is talking, U are mistaking me for some other fellow, just shows how captain u are about your xbox 150.

Just like alot of people been talking about u, how u say your not a fanboy of xbox? People are right, u are the number one fanboy hangin on bill gates nutt sacks. I been honest about all my opinions and yes I will not lie I do favor the ps2 over the xbox and I do favor nintendo over microsoft. Ask me why, im from america but when it comes to video games, America dont got shit on japan in the gaming industry, and is one of the reasons why I like nintendo and sony better then microsoft. If u ask me, I think bill gates is a greedy mutha fucka, cause only reason he came into the gaming industry is because he knows, this is another way he can just stack his money, and he is finding out the hard way that u cant just come into this industry with a high powered system and expect to win everyone over. It’s all about the games and so far nintendo and playstation own microsoft in that department and will always will because what is microsoft good for? Online right? This is the only thing that makes most xbox games fun, without xbox-live, microsoft would be a joke. And dont even bring up the new games that is coming to the xbox 350, because they still havent proved that they are good games until people play them, as for sony and nintendo, we already know the games coming out for these 2 systems are already proven and will do very good this next generation aswell.

And I aint even crying like you are. U fucking cry over every little thing that is said about xbox, if u werent then why are u in like every fuckin topic. I have nuttin else to say to u but that your fuckin xbox 360 is gonna get owned by sony and nintendo even with its early launch.

I can see fear coming from microsoft and its fans because the ps3 is for real and so is the revolution.

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real-time....

everything you just said then was a waste of time.

a) im not a fanboy of any system, i own all three current gens. i particularly didnt like ps2 as much as the other two bcos the other outperformed it tech-wise. there were more games on ps2, but alot of them were poor standard. seeing as alot of games were cross-platform, i always in the end bought the xbox ones, as they played better. also, i had two faulty ps2s (among other sony stuff) that gave it a bad rep to me.

b) i am not blind to the fact ps3 is potentially better tech-wise, but i prefer what x360 and Revo are doing with their systems - namely, focusing more on gaming/developer support. with x360 coming out first etc etc, they stand in the same position ps2 did last gen with having potentially more games. the sooner release too is exciting, a next gen system this year thats purchasable.

c) i LOVE to hassle ps3 fanboys, so will make every attempt to defend xbox fanboys who happen to get ganged up on by a bunch of 13-16yo’s who LOVE to spread crap, be irritating, etc.

d) chances are, especially with all three systems releasing so far apart, i will again buy all three. depending on later developments we cannot foresee just now. if x360 turns out to be inferior, i would not be blindly loyal to a corporation, EVER. im a consumer and exercize my privilege to like/buy whatever i want and change however i want. Unlike sony fanboys who stay loyal no matter and grow an attitude about it. In fact, i used to be a ps and nintendo lover. there was no xbox then. i merely buy/like whatever i deem better.

e) thats fresh calling me captain when you and many other sony fanboys LEAP like little girls at any opportunity to flame non-sony comments from whoever posts them. your nature is to gang up and mock them, even when they post impartial informative things, swearing at them to leave the forums, just so you have a whole forum of nothing but sony fanboys all ass-kissing each other. its called “safety in numbers” mentality. notice tho, that youll NEVER see xbox fanboys ganging up, or flooding a forum. cos they’re more genuine gamers coming from pc gaming backgrounds or have converted from ps2 and arent into flaming everybody. whereas the sony ppl’s mentality is based on literal fanboyism.

I’m not defending myself to you, a person of low integrity, but am just showing you how wrong you are.....again.

say what you want, its just opinion....like most of what i say too. bottom line is...i will defend xbox fanboys any day of the week over what are (generally) snivelling little shits (ps3 fanboys)

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Let me prove my point by showing u a chart of the top 10 selling titles for 2003 and 2004 which xbox fanboys say xbox did better then the ps2 and ill show u that even if there are games on all 3 consoles, ps2 clearly is where developers make there money.

2003 Top 10 Console Video Game Titles By Units
Source: The NPD Group / NPD Funworld/ TRSTS

RANK - TITLE - PLATFORM - PUBLISHER
1 - MADDEN NFL 2004 - PS2 - ELECTRONIC ARTS
2 - POKEMON RUBY - GBA - NINTENDO OF AMERICA
3 - POKEMON SAPPHIRE - GBA - NINTENDO OF AMERICA
4 - NEED SPEE UNDERGROUND - PS2 - ELECTRONIC ARTS
5 - ZELDA: THE WIND WAKER - GCN - NINTENDO OF AMERICA
6 - GRAND THEFT AUTO: VICE - PS2 - ROCKSTAR GAMES
7 - MARIO KART: DOUBLE - GCN - NINTENDO OF AMERICA
8 - TONY HAWK UNDERGROUND - PS2 - ACTIVISION
9 - ENTER THE MATRIX - PS2 - ATARI
10 - MEDAL HONOR RISING - PS2 - ELECTRONIC ARTS


Annual 2004 Top 10 Video Game Titles Ranked By Units Sold
Source: The NPD Group / NPD Funworld / Point-of-Sale

RANK - TITLE - PLATFORM - PUBLISHER
1 - Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - PS2 - Take II Interactive
2 - Halo 2* - XBX - Microsoft
3 - Madden NFL 2005* - PS2 - Electronic Arts
4 - ESPN NFL 2K5 - PS2 - Take II Interactive
5 - Need For Speed: Underground 2 - PS2 - Electronic Arts
6 - Pokemon Fire Red W/ Adapter - GBA - Nintendo of America
7 - NBA Live 2005 - PS2 - Electronic Arts
8 - Spider-Man: The Movie 2 - PS2 - Activision
9 - Halo - XBX - Microsoft
10 - ESPN NFL 2K5 - XBX - Take II Interactive
*Includes Limited & Collector’s Editions

Source: The NPD Group, January 2005

Looks like u can go back and cry about halo being the 2nd best game to gta san andreas. U can see what I mean when I say sony and nintendo run thangs when it comes to games but your head was so far up microsofts ass, u left your ps2 aside and was playing games on the xbox which in your mind was the best only to find out now how wrong your dumb ass was. I rest my case captain.

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(Real-Time) - U hav many good points,but the likes of Xbox fanboy’s(gg) won’t see them cos they hav got ther head’s so far up microsofts ass.As for me(Marty/PS3 Fan)be u that’s silly,(gg)I’m only posting as PS3 Fan cos somebody nicked my name.

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The points that Real_Time made are not valid, though, because there are what, 70,000,000 more PS2’s out there than there are X-Box’s, due to the year they had with no comp at all?? So of course there are going to be more games sold for the PS2 than the XBox, because more people own it.

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(FZDW) - The Sega(Dreamcast) was competition for the PS2,before Xbox was out.Why don’t u get your facts right.

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The Dreamcast was competition for how long? 4 months? After it went under, Sony was left alone for what, another 8? 10 months with no one to contend?

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yep true,Xbox is hardly competition,PS2 still out sells Xbox in nearly ever country around the world.

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No it doesn’t. It sells more games because there are more consoles out there. The actual console itself is selling less than the XBox right now at this very moment. Why do you think this past Christmas, there was a shortage on X-Box’s? Because people WANTED them more than they wanted a PS2.

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PS2 still over 90,000,000 consoles sold compared to what?Xbox sold probably around 30,000,000 if ya lucky.Xbox will never catch u,too big a gap.

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I never claimed the XBox was going to catch up. Take your head out of your own ass and listen. The XBox has sold more copies in the past year than the PS3 has, and that’s a FACT. I’ve been trying to get this through your thick fucking skull, but you just don’t seem to understand anything that doesn’t involve “Sony’s the best” so just shut up and listen for once, instead of automatically thinking of something you can retort with. The PS2 got that large gap because they were out a year before the XBox. That is a fact. Over the past year, the XBox has made a come back, and has sold more copies than the PS2. Another fact. This is probably the only part of this whole post that you’re going to like, but you are right, the PS2 has sold too many copies for the XBox to catch up. As I said at the beginning, I never claimed it was going to catch up. Here is what I’m trying to get through to you. The PS2 did that with a year’s head start. The PS3 is suppose to be released in the Spring of 06, though Sony said that with the PS2 as well, and when did it get released? October. So at the minimum, you are looking at the X360 having a 6 month head start on the PS3. Given the recent sales of the XBox, it’s safe to assume people are going to jump on this, especially those who have owned an XBox from when it came out. Now what happens to Sony if they don’t release their PS3 in Spring of 06? What if they have to push it back to October again?

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Your forget the point that Sega(Dreamcast) was out b4 PS2 and went to win that gen console war.There is nothing at that says Sony could’t pull it off a 2nd time and release PS3 after Xbox 360 and still catch up in sales,and go on to beat it.Still only speculation,but can can see Sony pulling it off.

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There you go, PS3 Fan. That was much better. You didn’t go and flame something. It was actually worth reading this time, and didn’t upset me with your bias remarks, because there weren’t any.

Now on another note, something which you said. Yes, it is possible that the PS3 could come back in sales, especially if they come out in Spring like they say they are. It’s very likely that they’d come back. Though with the holiday season launch of the X360, they’re going to have to try and make up that loss somehow. And launching in the summer doesn’t always work.

On the note of PS3 coming back and winning, I won’t say I hope you’re right, or that it won’t, because it’s up in the air who will truely win this generation of consoles. What I will say is this, if Sony wants to win, they better come forth with the specs they released, and not cut down on the PS3 like they did with the PS2. I know a lot of people who were upset with the PS2, me being one of them.

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CLIMAX UNVEILS TOMCAT - A NEXT GENERATION TOOLSET FOR THE NEXT GENERATION CONSOLES!

Los Angeles, CA. Tuesday 23rd November, 2004: Climax Group today took a major step forward in the development of next generation games with the unveiling of Tomcat, a proprietary toolset that enables the quick creation of dynamic shading effects.

Already equipped with a well-established set of tools and pipelines, Climax has used its existing technology to develop a string of hits on PS2, Xbox and various mobile game devices. But the next generation consoles demand next generation technology, and this is why Climax has developed Tomcat. Designed exclusively for the PS3 and Xbox2, it’s the next evolution of the company’s current tools and is already proving itself a valuable asset in the development of the next generation of hits.

Developed by Climax’s Core Technology Group (CTG), Tomcat is based on High-Level-Shading-Languages and uses small fragments of shader code that are concatenated to produce stunning shading effects. Crucially, Climax has developed a simple way for these small fragments to be created and inserted, which drastically reduces the amount of programming required to create such outstanding visuals.

The increased power of the next generation consoles, combined with the development of programmable shaders, means that shader management is going to be a crucial concern to game developers in the near future. Climax Group has moved swiftly on the issue to ensure it’s well placed to exploit the new opportunities it presents, as Tony Beckwith, President of Climax Racing, explained: “Rather than reacting to the issue when it arrives, we’ve taken a proactive step and developed a unique toolset that allows us to fully exploit the potential for outstanding shading effects. The system we’ve created allows our artists to create amazing shader combinations faster, and without the need for programmer support."

Tony continued: “As soon as we started working on Tomcat, we knew we had something really special on our hands. Even still, the industry’s reaction has amazed us. All the major publishers we’ve shown it to have been blown away and are pushing us hard to let them use it. This is an exciting step for us, and could mean that in the future a wide range of brilliant games built on the Tomcat technology could be filling the shop shelves, not just those developed by Climax."

Built from a stable platform that has proven its worth in several games, Tomcat is so powerful the company only needs to innovate for the next generation features. Other qualities of the tool set include:

Real-time Shader Combining And Preview
Normal Mapping
Bloom And ViViD Renderer
Online And Networking
DYNE Physics
Real-Time Game Tweaker

Normal mapping, in particular, is core to the company’s next generation strategy. This technique provides an incredible amount of detail for little cost, so gamers can enjoy a considerable and disproportionate gain in quality without a drop in performance.

Fully developed and operational, Tomcat is already being employed in the development of Avalon, Climax’s highly anticipated and fantastically innovative next generation game.


Note to Editors: About Tomcat

Over recent years, real-time procedural shading has become an increasingly important area in the development of graphics hardware. The versatility and power of pixel and vertex shaders have made them a key feature of the next-generation of game consoles. And as the technology has matured, we have seen a move away from low-level hardware interfaces towards high-level shading languages. These developments have allowed Climax to create a new tool set designed to fully exploit the recent advancements in console hardware.

Alongside their power, programmable shaders can lead to an explosion of permutations. Recent Climax games have featured up to a hundred different pixel shaders alone. Many of these shaders are variations on a few basic themes, for example, the same lighting model both with and without animation skinning. The number of possible combinations is huge and this is set to increase still further with the next generation of hardware. This will make shader management an important concern for game developers.

Climax has chosen to address this issue by developing a system in which we can write many small fragments of shader code. Fragments are stored in text files with an interface block and an implementation. These are then concatenated to create a large number of different combinations.

The emergence of High-Level-Shading-Languages has been vital in the development of this technology. They have allowed us to develop a simple format for the input files, making it straightforward to create new fragments. The fragment combiner then concatenates the fragments and passes the generated code to the compiler to generate efficient shaders.

One of the major advantages of this system is that it allows artists to create new effects by combining shader fragments without the need for programmer support. This is key to the design of Tomcat, our next-generation art tool, designed to specifically to match the needs of future console hardware.

Tomcat provides an environment for programmers to create and edit shader fragments. It also allows artists to quickly create different shader combinations, apply them to surfaces and to review the results in a single framework.