I recently stumbled upon some pretty strong chat from several atheists about god not being able to do anything - that he’s just made up by humans, christians are hypocrites, evolution is how we exist, etc, etc. There’s a really funny book that many of you might enjoy called “god doesn’t believe in atheists." you should check it out.
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thanks, im sort of, I disagree witgh a lot of the bible n there are a lot of point against why there is a god that are valid, and though you must agree that in man y cases religion (of any type) is bad for populations (after all, most wars are started by it) including through christianity (often by misinterpretations and narrow mindedness) but I blieve if it makes you, as an individual be a better person, then in cases its a cood thing, be open minded and respect other peoples choices.
religion is basically another one of those stories (the boy who cried wolf), because it’s trying to teach you what not to do and what to do. although different cultures have different beliefs for what you can and cannot do. so religion is not the problem. the problem is that people don’t believe in the same thing. I mean if everyone believed in one religion, the world would be a lot more peaceful. but alas, that’t probably not going to happen in my lifetime, nor in anyone else’s for that matter, because it’s probably never going to happen.
Im a very strong Atheist, it would take something very big to convince me (ie mass sighting of an undeniable miracle etc)
People come up with rediculuous arguements for christianity in my opinion. There are 2 types of people in my world, those who accept what they see just because it must be true, and those who look for explanations. The 1st I would class as religious, they look at something they see the divine, the see something odd, its the god / devil. The others may or may not be religious but when they see something they see it for what it is, they see something they dont understand they seek an explanation..
There is no right or wrong person, if we all asked questions we’d have alot more conflict id imagine hehe
Arguements I hear though, such as the watch on the beach make no sense to me.
I dont deny there may well be a divine presense, but I dont believe it, and I highly doubt if there was it would be anything like the bible depicts..
As god is perfection and perfection is fundamentally flawed so god is as defined is an impossibility
Anyway... I do agree...ask questions!!! I believe there are a lot of “christians” out there who don’t ask questions. It’s a shame.
In fact, many Christians say that evolution is contradictory to the Bible...they are only partly correct. The Bible allows for micro-evolution (evolution within a species) but it doesn’t jive with macro-evolution (evolution from one species to an entirely new one). To have macro-evolution you would have to have transitional forms. Can you give me one example of transitional form?
And where does evolution state that life began? In the ocean, right? So when the first animals began to come on land did they have lungs or gills? And if the animals evolve to adapt better to their surroundings, then why would a water animal evolve lungs? It’s gills work perfectly fine in the water.
These are some good questions to think about, if you haven’t already.
early in the industril relviluton. there was a speces of moth. now as you are probly aware londen ( the area where this speces of moth lived) was ripe with sut. Sut that coverd the trees on witch the moths lived. Now these moths were brown to comofloge them selves agenstd the trees.(side note Im bad at tuch typing so excuse my poor spling) the trees bing coverd with sut turnd black. so the birds of the area were able to eat the moths now that they could see them.
thrugh the proses of natural selection the moths that were black lived to breed whale the brown moths were eaten.
now that the IR is over the trees are browen agen and the browen mothes are living to breed and the blake moths are bing eaten.
I thought you said that all the brown moths were eaten...so how are they now reproducing again? Anyways...that is only an example of MICRO-evolution...which is not contradictory to the Bible.
As far as a lung fish - they don’t actually have lungs...just an modified swim bladder that absorbs oxygen...all other fish have them. And, they cannot live forever outside of water.
OH one outher thing. perfection is an openion witch is why it is flawed.
besides look around you. if god exiest then he is doing a relly BAD job!
War, Death, deses, fur trade, poverdy, famen, and Relaty T.V shows. somthing is Wrong. this is not the work of a devin being. if this is the best God can do I am not impresed this is not the typ of Shit! that belongs the the work of a GOD! this typ of crap belongs to an offces temp with a bad attude!
and to quote Gorge Carlen!
god or the idea of god, and not just the Christen god is that
Theres an Inviseble man.
UP IN THE SKY!
And HE looks Down one you every secend of every DAY!
And the Invisible man has a LIST OF TEN THINGS.
THINGS he ither dose or dosent want you to do!
AND if you do eny, ENY! thing on that list.
HE has a specle place!
FILLED WITH FIRE AND BURNING AND DEATH AND DECAY WERE HE’LL SEND YOU TO BURN AND SCREEM AND HOLLER AND CRY FOREVER! AND EVER! AND EVER! TILL THE END OF TIME AND BEOND!
but
HE loves you.
My, my weasal...
I’m sorry if I stirred some anger in you. And for being someone who does his homework I would encourage you to do your homework on the Bible. Have you a) read it in its entirety? or 2) studied it as you have science or other things?
The things you mentioned - famine, disease, etc. is not a “mess up” of God but of humans. And I think if you really looked into the Bible openly you would see that it is filled with scientific facts (like Psalm 8:8 which Matthew Maury - father of oceanography (1806-1873) used to discover currents in the ocean).
Please don’t make assumptions about what you don’t know. KNOW what the Bible says about God before you say he’s doing a bad job. Because if the Bible is true, wouldn’t you want to know? Be real honest with yourself...what caused you to get so fired up over our discussion? Was it me, my words? Or was it insecurities in what you believe?
How could there be any evidence for 'macro' evolution.
Everything on earth right now is at its current stage of evolution, they may well branch off into a different species or 2.. which may then branch off into even more until eventually what your left with hardly resembles the original or any of the originals evolutions except for the ones close to it (if you understand what im saying)
'transitionals' as you called them have all died out as evolution takes millions of years... but there are evidence of them... neanderthals for example and other stages of human evolution have been found which prooves we were once chimps (i think it was chimps). The missing link between us and them isnt alive today because its been outdated... it would be like trying to find a BBC computer in 50,000 years time, its not really gona happen unless its in some kind of museum.. and we didnt have museums when we were apes.
Evolution didnt occur overnight.. it took a long time for us to evolve from single celled organisms to what we are today, we spend the vast majority of our time as mere cells...
and for those who dont know.. eukaryotic organisms are generally multicellular ... eukaryotic cells make up human organisms (we have only 1 prokaryotic cell type from memory.. blood cells)
prokaryotic are single celled, usually bacterium etc
Just to give you a rough idea what its on about
So as you can see its not like we just pop’d out the 'ol ocean over night.
I myself have studied the bible, not a great deal but enough to decide it wasnt for me.. and the rest ive picked up in debates such as this one..
Im perfectly secure in my beliefs and ive stated before it would take something undeniable to convince me otherwise.
I see nothing wrong with other peoples beliefs though.
Hello again Adwodon...
Here’s something for you to think about...
I don’t believe you’re an atheists because I don’t think atheists exist. Why? Ask yourself these questions - Out of all the knowledge that exists in the universe, what percentage do you know? .001%? Maybe if you are a genious (you seem pretty smart) .01%? So, out of all the 99.99% of knowledge that you have not obtained, is it POSSIBLE that you could find evidence for the existence of God? If you are as smart as you seem (and I hope you are) you would have to admit that it is a Possibility that God exists. And, therefore, you are not an atheist who says emphatically, “There is no god!" but you are an agnostic who questions the belief of God.
Your smart my friend, everything you said is true.
I guess I am an agnostic because I wont deny the possibility that there is some kind of a 'god'.
I dont see anyway of us proving that any type of god exists unless it chooses to reveal itself, as god as I understand it to be is on another 'plane' of existance, and is everywhere in ours therefore impossible for us to concieve / proove.
Its one thing I dont really like about god, its just impossible to completely dismiss. I believe that anything is possible so the idea of god isnt alien to me.
I think that although we are unlikely ever completley proove the existence of god without its own intervention I guess it would be possible with more information and view the universe to provide evidence for the existence of god, which although wouldnt proove it, would highly suggest a divine presence...
And I also think your estimates for the amount of knowledge we have as rather large hehe, we hardly know our own planet and so I think we know only the universes very very very basic principles... and even then its all just theory... although we say it we cant proove that the gravitational constant is correct.. we cant proove any of it because we have no way of travelling within the tiniest fraction of the universe.
So yes, although I dont believe in the divine I wont dismiss it completely because that would be narrow minded... although I would have to say if there was a 'great creator' of everthing or just us.. i dont think it is how the bible defines.
like I said before, I have studied the bible and have tried ot christianity and still go to christian events occasionally, but I woulden t class myself as one, when I was younger I was made to believe everything my primary school, and now my highschool tell me, but through I have tried to agree with parts of the bib le, and true there could be a hgher power, after all who are we to say what is definate and what is not, the problem is as someone else said, that religion (at least some aspects of it) if interpretted to make you thye best you can be, if everyone followed it instead of believing different stories, then the world would be more peaceful, as religion creates divides, creating war. It is a bad thing overall and I believe a lot of the bible contradicts itself (as do most things) but if it gives you, whatever faith you follow, a better meaning to life and makes you a better person...then I geuss good for you. But whatever you do, religious of not, continue to question things, because the main thing in this world that creates discrimination, is narrow mindedness.
btw I’m sorry if I have made typing errors my darling mother is watching donnie darko (ace film) for the 1st time and keeps shushing me typing on her laptop so im trying to write as fast as I can!
and by any chance have you ever seen tholse tops that say Jesus is my homeboy? hehe funny x
Here are some more fun questions...
When you see a painting how do you know there was a painter? Because the painting exists. What about a building...when you see a building, how do you know there was a builder? You have never met, seen or heard of him. But the building itself is evidence that there is a builder. In fact, it would insult your intellegence if I tried to convince you that the building just evolved or appeared.
So, when you see all of creation, planets, sun, universe, people, trees, gravity, etc...how can you tell if there was a Creator? Creation is proof that there was a creator.
yeah well robert smith is god and he created him selft cuz he’s soooo fucking cool. he gave himself life man! woo! now that is why he’s god and all his cds were good too. go RS! see even his initals are sporty, coincidents? i think not!
Hey there Meh X...
I know what you mean...I grew up with religion (Christianity) shoved at me. But it was when I started truly researching it that I began to see a lot of Truth behind it.
I have 1) a question for you and 2) an observation...
1) You mentioned that the Bible contradicts itself...would you mind giving me a specific example?
2) You mentioned that religion (or Christianity) is supposed to make you a better person...that’s what so many people think in our self-absorbed society. But Biblical Christianity is not about improving your life - it’s not about you and how good you can be! God’s standard is perfection - there’s no way we can obtain that. It’s about restoring a relationship with God.
It’s only when you get your focus off of yourself that you can really start to see the Truths behind the Bible.
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