supersaynguy wrote:
Come on King, Gogeta, Vegitto, and Buu could all take a punch from Superman.
I dont even think a punch from Superman would even cause Gogeta to flinch.
And yes, they could all take supernovas as well.....easily.
Can they juggle a planet? Can they survive being in black hole? I want solid proof. Last time, I checked SSJ4 Goku struggled to lift a building, easily got cut by a clock. And GT is non cannon, making DB characters weaker. You can’t just use powerscaling to GT because even Toriyama denied it being cannon.
And what proof do you have they can survive supernova? Do you know what supernova is?
Supernova is explosion of stars such as the sun.
How did Broly die? By the sun.
When has anyone in DBZGT shown power to bust a star? Never.
Broly survived the sun is that not he was resurrected?
ronki23 wrote:
Jupiter was between 750,000 and 900,000 kili though-that’s 250 to 300x the size of Earth which it most probably is (I know astronomy but not all the figures!).
As stated before-Goku can’t have been using that much power against Yakkon-remember how Vegeta tried to destroy Earth with the Gallick Gun/how he effortlessley destroyed Arlia/how King Vegeta blew up a planet.
Remember, Vegeta was not even at a power level 20,000 at the time-that’s no where near 100th of a Super Saiyan (you said 300 kili/ one TENTH of a Super Saiyan is needed).
Frieza had a power level 50x that of Saiyan Saga Vegeta in his second form (a power level of ONE MILLION!)
Frieza only used 1% of his final form power when he killed Vegeta:-imagine how little power he needed to blow up planet Vegeta.
Multiply Frieza’s 1% by 100 and that’s almost how strong a Super Saiyan is.
Frieza Form 2 is 1,000,000 to 1,100,000-same as Piccolo
Frieza Form 3 is 1,100,000 to 1,200,000
BTW-even if the 1% is a dubbing error and it’s actually 33%, it’s still impressive.
Super Saiyan Goku at that stage was approx 7500x more powerful than Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga
SSJ Goku: 120,000,000 divided by 20,000 Saiyan Saga Vegeta= 7500.
EVEN IF VEGETA’S GALLIC GUN AMPED HIM UP 10X IT WOULD STILL LEAVE HIM 750X WEAKER THAN A SUPER SAIYAN
I think a Super Saiyan could very well destroy Solar Systems with this power.
Heck,some have been known to destroy galaxies
The first 19 secs
yet AGAIN I have to show you how powerful they really are. A WEAK Vegeta threatening to blow up Earth AND it’s canon
Broly was thousands if not millions of time more powerful than Vegeta.
Finally
energy blasts in DBZ are most probably hotter/more powerful than the stars. EVEN IF A Z FIGHTER COULDN’T SURVIVE INSIDE A STAR HE/SHE WOULD TAKE ON A SUPERHERO WITH HIS MARTIAL ARTS POWER,SUPER STRENGTH AND SUPER SPEED AND DESTROY MANY OF THEM
Oh yeah-Broly and Cooler were practically dead before they hit the sun.
lol no.
If freiza saga SSJ goku could destroy a solar system,cell wouldn’t have needed to charge to destroy one.
Oh and how are ki blasts as hot as the sun and when did vegeta destroy arlia and king vegeta blow up those planets in the manga?
Broly isn’t canon so i don’t see the point of bringing him up.
ronki23 wrote:
Come on guys, why is there so much hate for DragonballZ characters!
DragonballZ characters are cool and awesome because they seem “achievable” in a way. If you get black belt in a striking martial art and a grappling martial art then you’re on your way. Then all you have to do is learn utilisation of ki and how to fly and you are practically a superhero-plus you’ll vastly improve over the years
You have many misconceptions about martial arts and fighting boy. Characters who gain super powers due to hard training regimine. Are no more believable than characters who gain powers through Lab accidents and so forth. Besides, Dragon Ball is filled with: Aliens, Mad Scientist, Magicians and all the stuff you can find in a western comic-book.
ronki23 wrote:
Plus DBZ characters have no weakness-you simply have to be stronger than them
Most superheroes don’t have weakness like the common stereotypes may suggest. They are strong in their own right.
ronki23 wrote:
Some of them are good but what’s with the cheesy costumes :\
There vintage, at the time these heroes cameout costumes were new and had a very dramatic effect. It’s the staple of a costume adventurer, besides Dragonball has silly costumes as well: Saiyain uniforms.
Mike8UN wrote:
mmm since democracy has selected “Comics” as the winner (until now)...
Should we close the topic pals???
Or we continue???? >.>
I love dbz but in the end comics have omnipotent, god level guys and other powerful non-omnipotent guys that could solo DB...
Both worlds are cool, but they are different and comics have a bigger universe ( with universe I mean histories and characters...well more planets and galaxies too, but you know what I mean)
Yeah, that’s the thing. DC and Marvel have too many broken and god level characters. :/
Frieza was using what,1000th of his true power when he destroyed planet Vegeta? Vegeta also destroyed Arlia with little effort as did King Vegeta when he blew up planets. Gohan even blew up the Makyo Star which may have been a dwarf star (do red dwarves exist?)
Anyway, Cell was theoretically over 1000s of times more powerful than Frieza’s 1st form; here are the power levels I found
Saiyan Saga Vegeta-18,000
-that’s enough to destroy a planet right? He destroyed Arlia/almost blew up Earth. Let’s give him a power level of 180,000 when charging up his Gallic Gun to be generous
Frieza form 1: 530,000-easily destroyed Planet Vegeta
Frieza 100%:120,000,000 to 140,000,000
“Fresh” Perfect Cell: 2,100,000,000 to 2,400,000,000-AT LEAST 3962x stronger than BASE Frieza OR 15x stronger than Frieza’s BEST
Super Perfect Cell: 10,000,000,000 to 50,000,000,000-AT LEAST 18867x BASE Frieza/71x Frieza’s BEST
So:
If Vegeta at a MAX power level of 180,000 (back then) could destroy the Earth
THEN
Frieza at 120,000,000 could (WITHOUT CHARGING UP) destroy a planet 666x Earth’s size (that’s probably why A.T gave him such a high power level lol)
If Frieza charged up an energy attack at 1200,000,000 then he could destroy a planet 6660x Earth’s size.
NOTE: If charging up an attack doesn’t multiply by 10 then that STILL means Frieza could destroy a planet over 6660x Earth’s size
CELL at a power level of 2,100,000,000 could destroy at planet 11,666 to 11,6666x Earth’s size
SUPER PERFECT CELL has a power level of 10,000,000,000 AT LEAST so he can destroy a planet 55555x to 555555x Earth’s size OR the Solar System. Imagine what he could do CHARGING UP a kamehameha-explosion!!!
You DON’T need to have a power level worth everything combined-just one attack that is stronger than your strongest target and make sure it gets everything else.
Plus when Cell meant “Solar System” he meant the Sun and Planets-nothing else I believe
Note: Buu’s attack wasn’t “big” enough to destroy the galaxy-it was only the “size” of Vegito or a bit bigger
ronki23 wrote:
Frieza was using what,1000th of his true power when he destroyed planet Vegeta? Vegeta also destroyed Arlia with little effort as did King Vegeta when he blew up planets. Gohan even blew up the Makyo Star which may have been a dwarf star (do red dwarves exist?)
Anyway, Cell was theoretically over 1000s of times more powerful than Frieza’s 1st form; here are the power levels I found
Saiyan Saga Vegeta-18,000
-that’s enough to destroy a planet right? He destroyed Arlia/almost blew up Earth. Let’s give him a power level of 180,000 when charging up his Gallic Gun to be generous
Frieza form 1: 530,000-easily destroyed Planet Vegeta
Frieza 100%:120,000,000 to 140,000,000
“Fresh” Perfect Cell: 2,100,000,000 to 2,400,000,000-AT LEAST 3962x stronger than BASE Frieza OR 15x stronger than Frieza’s BEST
Super Perfect Cell: 10,000,000,000 to 50,000,000,000-AT LEAST 18867x BASE Frieza/71x Frieza’s BEST
So:
If Vegeta at a MAX power level of 180,000 (back then) could destroy the Earth
THEN
Frieza at 120,000,000 could (WITHOUT CHARGING UP) destroy a planet 666x Earth’s size (that’s probably why A.T gave him such a high power level lol)
If Frieza charged up an energy attack at 1200,000,000 then he could destroy a planet 6660x Earth’s size.
NOTE: If charging up an attack doesn’t multiply by 10 then that STILL means Frieza could destroy a planet over 6660x Earth’s size
CELL at a power level of 2,100,000,000 could destroy at planet 11,666 to 11,6666x Earth’s size
SUPER PERFECT CELL has a power level of 10,000,000,000 AT LEAST so he can destroy a planet 55555x to 555555x Earth’s size OR the Solar System. Imagine what he could do CHARGING UP a kamehameha-explosion!!!
You DON’T need to have a power level worth everything combined-just one attack that is stronger than your strongest target and make sure it gets everything else.
Plus when Cell meant “Solar System” he meant the Sun and Planets-nothing else I believe
Note: Buu’s attack wasn’t “big” enough to destroy the galaxy-it was only the “size” of Vegito or a bit bigger
ronki23 wrote:
Frieza was using what,1000th of his true power when he destroyed planet Vegeta? Vegeta also destroyed Arlia with little effort as did King Vegeta when he blew up planets. Gohan even blew up the Makyo Star which may have been a dwarf star (do red dwarves exist?)
Anyway, Cell was theoretically over 1000s of times more powerful than Frieza’s 1st form; here are the power levels I found
Saiyan Saga Vegeta-18,000
-that’s enough to destroy a planet right? He destroyed Arlia/almost blew up Earth. Let’s give him a power level of 180,000 when charging up his Gallic Gun to be generous
Frieza form 1: 530,000-easily destroyed Planet Vegeta
Frieza 100%:120,000,000 to 140,000,000
“Fresh” Perfect Cell: 2,100,000,000 to 2,400,000,000-AT LEAST 3962x stronger than BASE Frieza OR 15x stronger than Frieza’s BEST
Super Perfect Cell: 10,000,000,000 to 50,000,000,000-AT LEAST 18867x BASE Frieza/71x Frieza’s BEST
So:
If Vegeta at a MAX power level of 180,000 (back then) could destroy the Earth
THEN
Frieza at 120,000,000 could (WITHOUT CHARGING UP) destroy a planet 666x Earth’s size (that’s probably why A.T gave him such a high power level lol)
If Frieza charged up an energy attack at 1200,000,000 then he could destroy a planet 6660x Earth’s size.
NOTE: If charging up an attack doesn’t multiply by 10 then that STILL means Frieza could destroy a planet over 6660x Earth’s size
CELL at a power level of 2,100,000,000 could destroy at planet 11,666 to 11,6666x Earth’s size
SUPER PERFECT CELL has a power level of 10,000,000,000 AT LEAST so he can destroy a planet 55555x to 555555x Earth’s size OR the Solar System. Imagine what he could do CHARGING UP a kamehameha-explosion!!!
You DON’T need to have a power level worth everything combined-just one attack that is stronger than your strongest target and make sure it gets everything else.
Plus when Cell meant “Solar System” he meant the Sun and Planets-nothing else I believe
Note: Buu’s attack wasn’t “big” enough to destroy the galaxy-it was only the “size” of Vegito or a bit bigger
*deep breath*
Stop making up shit.
I’m not...
You call yourself a fan and you doubt Cell could destroy the Solar System lol-obviously he could if he was much,much,much,much stronger than Super Saiyan Goku who in turn was much,much,much,much,much,much,much stronger than Vegeta with his Gallic Gun.
Super Saiyans can destroy the largest planets
Super Saiyan 2s can destroy small-ish solar systems-all they need are attacks as powerful as the sun
Anything over SSJ2 can destroy galaxies (maybe not in 1 attack)-see Buu or Broly
comic gods are weak...before i get ripped on by marvel/dc fanboys, i want to remind you i said GODS. superman beats gog and darkseid from time to time...the idea of him beating a cosmic entity like The Presence/Great Evil Beast which is just as laughable as Hulk beating One-Above-All, Nemesis or Living Tribunal.
DBZ characters and it’s not even close. Heck Goku could kill every marvel and dc character single handedly. DBZ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MARVEL AND DC COMBINED.
Besides, Dragonball/Z is the best anime of all time. Most of the characters look awesome. Vegeta is bad ass btw, so is mystic gohan!
I also like them both!
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