people give dbz shit for the same reason they give naruto shit. Because fanboys are misinformed and spew crap about it thats just not the case.
I see your still insisting on the lightspeed thing even though i gave you plenty of evidence why this is NOT the case. I know dragonball and DBZ inside an out. Ive all of dragonball and dbz on dvd and have been into it for about a decade , it came out on tv where i am when i was 13. If people didnt try to make claims of things that just arent true then people would be less biased against it. Like people saying goku stomps superman , at best hes a match if not just looses out to supes. Or people who keep saying that dbz is lightspeed capable ,this is not the case. Do you realize just how freakin fast that is? By the end of the series they are either close . . or just there , but certainly NOT at the start of DBZ. Like i said before , at a power lvl of just over 100 in dragonball roshi ran 100 meters in about 3 - 4 seconds , and yet your trying to say that with a power increase of just about 9-10 times that their now capable of running at light speed??????? All that occurs during the show proves that light speed is far beyond them. If they were capable of light speed it would NOT TAKE THEM TIME TO FLY ANYWHERE around earth , but it always does. Like how as i said before it took trunks at least 5 to 10 minutes to fly to capsule corp for the dragonradar at ssj1 while goku stalled buu and babidi by transforming to ssj3. That sure doesnt look like lightspeed travel to me. If he could move at lightspeed he wouldnt need I.T.
dragonball character does fight, nor travel at light speed. instead when they fight they unleash ki burst to move at fast pace from one place to another.
look at ther fights espicially goku vs cell. you see them dissapear and reappear, what they do is unleashing there ki burst for extra boost of speed.
Devil Prince wrote:
dragonball character does fight, nor travel at light speed. instead when they fight they unleash ki burst to move at fast pace from one place to another.
look at ther fights espicially goku vs cell. you see them dissapear and reappear, what they do is unleashing there ki burst for extra boost of speed.
none of the characters listed beside the ones i posted has done such a thing
list of attacks none of them can tank
the ones i listed up top.
nuclear blast at extremely close range
fabric tearing explosion
and other attacks such as a full powered
from havoc.cyclopes,storm,sue storm,johnny storm
silver banshee,silver swan and many others
King Piccolo, Chaozu, Tao Pai Pi
Cui, Guildo, Yamcha, Nappa, Raditz, Saibamen
The Ginyu Force, Krillin, Tien, Zarbon, Dodoria
Frieza, Androids 19 and 20
Vegeta, Piccolo, Trunks, Goten, Dabura, Perfect Cell, Cell Jr, Andriods 16, 17, 18
Goku, Fat Buu, Kid Buu, Gohan
moses always tries his best to down play comic characters
Ehy don’t you show the scans of goku effortlessy deflecting a planet buster.
Freddy Krueger wrote:
Repetitive overplay of the series and wank from retards is what killed DB and DB part 2
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Nothing killed DBZ. lol Its still dubbed as one of the greatest action cartoons ever.
As far as why people “hate” DBZ? Well, the characters are just immensely powerful and yeah, they don’t really have any weaknesses. They are just completely on different levels than most Marvel and DC characters. I mean Goku, could take out like 90% of Marvel and DC.
But yeah, haters? I dont' know why anyone would “hate” the show. I mean Goku has got to be one of the coolest Superheroes to look up to. He doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke, doesn’t do drugs, he protects his family, friends, people he doesn’t know. He’s kind, gentle and has a pure heart. And he trains so hard to earn his powers. They weren’t given. He had to work hard for everything.
Plus, its really cool how they put martial arts into the show and you gotta love the power ups they go through. I mean watch this clip. This is still one of my fav clips ever from the show. How can it not give you goosebumps?
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none of the characters listed beside the ones i posted has done such a thing
list of attacks none of them can tank
the ones i listed up top.
nuclear blast at extremely close range
fabric tearing explosion
and other attacks such as a full powered
from havoc.cyclopes,storm,sue storm,johnny storm
silver banshee,silver swan and many others
King Piccolo, Chaozu, Tao Pai Pi
Cui, Guildo, Yamcha, Nappa, Raditz, Saibamen
The Ginyu Force, Krillin, Tien, Zarbon, Dodoria
Frieza, Androids 19 and 20
Vegeta, Piccolo, Trunks, Goten, Dabura, Perfect Cell, Cell Jr, Andriods 16, 17, 18
Goku, Fat Buu, Kid Buu, Gohan
moses always tries his best to down play comic characters
Ehy don’t you show the scans of goku effortlessy deflecting a planet buster.
why didn’t he do that when buu shoot another one then
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Un-huh, how about you prove me wrong?
i already did that
By providing scans of top tiers struggling to replicate form 1 Frieza levels of power?
showing that it doesn’t matter what power level they are. they can’t with stand a planet blowing ( show me a scan of goku getting blasted ( tank ) by a planet buster
truestrength wrote:
people give dbz shit for the same reason they give naruto shit. Because fanboys are misinformed and spew crap about it thats just not the case.
I see your still insisting on the lightspeed thing even though i gave you plenty of evidence why this is NOT the case. I know dragonball and DBZ inside an out. Ive all of dragonball and dbz on dvd and have been into it for about a decade , it came out on tv where i am when i was 13. If people didnt try to make claims of things that just arent true then people would be less biased against it. Like people saying goku stomps superman , at best hes a match if not just looses out to supes. Or people who keep saying that dbz is lightspeed capable ,this is not the case. Do you realize just how freakin fast that is? By the end of the series they are either close . . or just there , but certainly NOT at the start of DBZ. Like i said before , at a power lvl of just over 100 in dragonball roshi ran 100 meters in about 3 - 4 seconds , and yet your trying to say that with a power increase of just about 9-10 times that their now capable of running at light speed??????? All that occurs during the show proves that light speed is far beyond them. If they were capable of light speed it would NOT TAKE THEM TIME TO FLY ANYWHERE around earth , but it always does. Like how as i said before it took trunks at least 5 to 10 minutes to fly to capsule corp for the dragonradar at ssj1 while goku stalled buu and babidi by transforming to ssj3. That sure doesnt look like lightspeed travel to me. If he could move at lightspeed he wouldnt need I.T.
Goku, already stated that IT allows him to move at light speed.
But you’re right, the rest of the Z characters can’t move at light speed, especially at the beginning of the seris.
I think what people are trying to say is that when fighting, Z characters can move at light speed but not for great distances. Smoke was making great points at how at age 12, Goku was able to dodge lightning. So for short bursts, im sure Z warriors are extremely fast.
As far as Goku destroying Superman. There are a lot of different versions of Superman that Goku would obliterate. I mean there are certain versions of Post Crisis Superman that Cell would beat. But there are also certain versions of Superman Goku couldn’t touch.
And yes, DBZ fans can be unbelievably bias and fanboyish. I used to be like that. I remember when I first came into the forum, no matter who Goku was put against I would automatically say Goku would crush them, but I have learned that this is not the case.
For example, Goku could never beat Silver Surfer or Onslaught. But, IMO, hes still one of the coolest superheroes ever.
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Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Un-huh, how about you prove me wrong?
i already did that
By providing scans of top tiers struggling to replicate form 1 Frieza levels of power?
showing that it doesn’t matter what power level they are. they can’t with stand a planet blowing ( show me a scan of goku getting blasted ( tank ) by a planet buster
Dude, by the end of the series, Goku could easily withstand a planet buster. lol
I know you want scans and “proof” but here is a good comparison. Do we ever see Goku actually destroying a planet with an attack? No, so that means he couldn’t do it right? I mean, there is no scans or clips of him actually destroying a planet, so he couldn’t, right? Of course he could. You don’t always need scans, clips, etc, to proof something. Deductive Reasoning makes good sense, just like Power-Scaling.
Look at it like this: Remember when Vegeta destroyed that planet? Or when Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta? Those are planet busting attacks. You don’t Goku could absorb or deflect those attacks?
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Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Un-huh, how about you prove me wrong?
i already did that
By providing scans of top tiers struggling to replicate form 1 Frieza levels of power?
showing that it doesn’t matter what power level they are. they can’t with stand a planet blowing ( show me a scan of goku getting blasted ( tank ) by a planet buster
Dude, by the end of the series, Goku could easily withstand a planet buster. lol
I know you want scans and “proof” but here is a good comparison. Do we ever see Goku actually destroying a planet with an attack? No, so that means he couldn’t do it right? I mean, there is no scans or clips of him actually destroying a planet, so he couldn’t, right? Of course he could. You don’t always need scans, clips, etc, to proof something. Deductive Reasoning makes good sense, just like Power-Scaling.
Look at it like this: Remember when Vegeta destroyed that planet? Or when Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta? Those are planet busting attacks. You don’t Goku could absorb or deflect those attacks?
so goku can stand on a planet while it blows up. everything i see a villain in dbz shoots a planet buster at goku he has to block it with his hands or mach it with a kamahahamha
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Un-huh, how about you prove me wrong?
i already did that
By providing scans of top tiers struggling to replicate form 1 Frieza levels of power?
showing that it doesn’t matter what power level they are. they can’t with stand a planet blowing ( show me a scan of goku getting blasted ( tank ) by a planet buster
Dude, by the end of the series, Goku could easily withstand a planet buster. lol
I know you want scans and “proof” but here is a good comparison. Do we ever see Goku actually destroying a planet with an attack? No, so that means he couldn’t do it right? I mean, there is no scans or clips of him actually destroying a planet, so he couldn’t, right? Of course he could. You don’t always need scans, clips, etc, to proof something. Deductive Reasoning makes good sense, just like Power-Scaling.
Look at it like this: Remember when Vegeta destroyed that planet? Or when Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta? Those are planet busting attacks. You don’t Goku could absorb or deflect those attacks?
so goku can stand on a planet while it blows up. everything i see a villain in dbz shoots a planet buster at goku he has to block it with his hands or mach it with a kamahahamha
Why wouldn’t he try to block it or match it? Just b/c he doesn’t stand there and take a blast to the face, doesn’t mean he couldn’t.
But at the same time, there does seem to be a lot of plot holes in DBZ.
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the problem with dbz durability is this :
That when ready for an attack they can focus their ki so as to shield themselves from a blast. If they are able to focus enough ki and bring it to bear they can cancel out the attack fired at them > If the attack is so far below what power THEY have regardless of how powerful the blast is ( ie : even if its a planet buster ) if the attack is only a small percentage of the energy they have then they can often just deflect the blast rather then have to block/absorb the attack. However if fired upon by a blast of such power that they cant summon enough ki to meet the attack then their pretty much done for , or at least gonna end up in bad shape , it all depends on percentages.It should be noted that, when factoring in the edge one has over an opponent, the difference in power levels as a flat number is not important, but rather, the difference in power levels as a percentage. For example, when Goku (as a child) fought King Piccolo, he was thrown around like a rag doll, and the power levels of Piccolo and Goku then were 260 and 180, respecitvely; this made Piccolo 44% stronger than Goku. On the other hand, when Super Saiyan Goku fought Frieza at 100% power, their power levels were 150 million and 120 million, respectively. Goku was only 25% stronger than Frieza, and so the fight was (at least in the beginning) somewhat even, despite the fact that Goku had a power level of 30 million greater than Frieza’s.
So their durability is subject to their level of ki and preparedness . When caught unawares or caught low on ki then their durability to withstand explosions ect is fairly low. IE: goku vs majin vegeta , they put the fight on hold and goku turns his back on vegeta while hes getting his senzu beans out so they can heal and go fight buu , but vegeta clocks him from behind and puts his lights out. One blow when hes not ready ends it and yet all those blows during their fight had little effect.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Un-huh, how about you prove me wrong?
i already did that
By providing scans of top tiers struggling to replicate form 1 Frieza levels of power?
showing that it doesn’t matter what power level they are. they can’t with stand a planet blowing ( show me a scan of goku getting blasted ( tank ) by a planet buster
Why would I need to prove Goku is more durable than a dying Frieza?
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Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Un-huh, how about you prove me wrong?
i already did that
By providing scans of top tiers struggling to replicate form 1 Frieza levels of power?
showing that it doesn’t matter what power level they are. they can’t with stand a planet blowing ( show me a scan of goku getting blasted ( tank ) by a planet buster
Dude, by the end of the series, Goku could easily withstand a planet buster. lol
I know you want scans and “proof” but here is a good comparison. Do we ever see Goku actually destroying a planet with an attack? No, so that means he couldn’t do it right? I mean, there is no scans or clips of him actually destroying a planet, so he couldn’t, right? Of course he could. You don’t always need scans, clips, etc, to proof something. Deductive Reasoning makes good sense, just like Power-Scaling.
Look at it like this: Remember when Vegeta destroyed that planet? Or when Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta? Those are planet busting attacks. You don’t Goku could absorb or deflect those attacks?
so goku can stand on a planet while it blows up. everything i see a villain in dbz shoots a planet buster at goku he has to block it with his hands or mach it with a kamahahamha
Why wouldn’t he try to block it or match it? Just b/c he doesn’t stand there and take a blast to the face, doesn’t mean he couldn’t.
But at the same time, there does seem to be a lot of plot holes in DBZ.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Un-huh, how about you prove me wrong?
i already did that
By providing scans of top tiers struggling to replicate form 1 Frieza levels of power?
showing that it doesn’t matter what power level they are. they can’t with stand a planet blowing ( show me a scan of goku getting blasted ( tank ) by a planet buster
Why would I need to prove Goku is more durable than a dying Frieza?
goku’s doesn’t have great durability at all that’s why
none of the characters listed beside the ones i posted has done such a thing
list of attacks none of them can tank
the ones i listed up top.
nuclear blast at extremely close range
fabric tearing explosion
and other attacks such as a full powered
from havoc.cyclopes,storm,sue storm,johnny storm
silver banshee,silver swan and many others
King Piccolo, Chaozu, Tao Pai Pi
Cui, Guildo, Yamcha, Nappa, Raditz, Saibamen
The Ginyu Force, Krillin, Tien, Zarbon, Dodoria
Frieza, Androids 19 and 20
Vegeta, Piccolo, Trunks, Goten, Dabura, Perfect Cell, Cell Jr, Andriods 16, 17, 18
Goku, Fat Buu, Kid Buu, Gohan
moses always tries his best to down play comic characters
Ehy don’t you show the scans of goku effortlessy deflecting a planet buster.
why didn’t he do that when buu shoot another one then
Buu’s second blast was obviously more powerful than the 1st.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Un-huh, how about you prove me wrong?
i already did that
By providing scans of top tiers struggling to replicate form 1 Frieza levels of power?
showing that it doesn’t matter what power level they are. they can’t with stand a planet blowing ( show me a scan of goku getting blasted ( tank ) by a planet buster
Why would I need to prove Goku is more durable than a dying Frieza?
goku’s doesn’t have great durability at all that’s why
Just to get things straight, the only people who have problems with my list believe SSJ2 Goku is less durable than Frieza?
Thanks, that’s all I needed to know.
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