Batman VS Daredevil

Ace Kishaw wrote:

truestrength wrote:

Ace Kishaw wrote:

Hank Xavoiur wrote: Then shouldn’t you be putting Spidey and Cap in different threads then?

Argh....wussies!!!!

Alright guys!!! Listen up!!!! Cause I’m only gonna say this once...

Batman is HUMAN

Spider-Man is SUPER HUMAN

So....

NO!!! A NERVE PUNCH FROM BATMAN IS IS NOT GOING TO
WORK ON SPIDER-MAN!!!!

Good, everybody got that. Now stop bringing other Marvel heroes into this thread...

wrong. you dont understand what a nerve strike is obviously. go back over the last few pages and read what i said. batman has used nerve strikes on people far more powerful then spiderman , like solomon grundy and wonderwoman. anyway all this is digressing from the thread topic which is batman vs daredevil. consensus is batman wins in a hard fought fight. can we close this thread now?!

Wrong buddy!!! I know exactly what a nerve strike is and I’ve seen many martial artists in Marvel who are almost near Batman’s level use it on Spidey but to no effect. Spidey has laughed off those attacks and the semi-skilled Silver Sable broke her hand when she used a deadly move on Spidey. Now, not trying to compare Silver Sable to
Batman but I’m just saying a nerve punch won’t work on Spidey, never has and never will.


Now, I’ve seen Spiderman brush off attacks far more damaging than this nerve strike your so obsessed about. Such as:

a) Brushing off a hit, some punk managed to sneak
behind Spidey and hit him on the skull with a
gun and Spidey brushed it off saying (usual
crack jokes) like “didn’t yo momma tell you
it’s rude to sneak behind people”. Most guys
(well humans of course) will get head injuries
or even pass out if they were given the same
treatment like Spidey did, even Batman would
get an effect. So no, no Batman nerve strike is
going to work on Spiderman here

b) A cement brick fell on Peter Parker’s head on a
construction site when he was rescuing a few
workers who were working a millionaire. Peter
brushed off it off, even though he held his
head every 5 minutes when he was in a date with
Mary-Jane. Now I believe a having a brick fall
on your head (over 30 feet) can cause more
damage than Batman’s nerve punch

c) Spidey has taken punches from the likes of the
Hulk, Juggernaught (mind the spelling), Venum
and more powerful villains in Marvel. And those
punches were certainly not nerve punches...

And that’s naming a few....

Now, on the Wizard Entertainment issue where Batman takes down Spider-Man with a nerve punch, I’ve got one word for it-PIS. It’s just like that other crossover you were complaining about, calling it PIS, Batman vs Daredevil. Where D-D takes out Batman by throwing his billy-club whatever on Batman, taking him out. You called that crossover PIS, it’s no any different than the
Batman vs Spider-Man one where Bats takes out Spidey with a nerve punch.


Lastly, I’m surprised to hear Batman took down Wonder Woman with a nerve strike, like really since I’ve seen Wonder Woman take shots from Superman. But hey, if Batman has, then I won’t argue. Anything can happen in the comic world...


“anyway all this is digressing from the thread topic which is batman vs daredevil. consensus is batman wins in a hard fought fight. can we close this thread now?"

You don’t have to ask me, I’m the one who’s telling these guys to close this thread because I won’t be argue against the obvious. Batman taking down Spider-Man with a nerve punch and Daredevil taking Batman down with his billy club, both are PIS and I’ll leave it to that.

Now guys, sorry for interruption, you can now continue with the Daredevil vs Batman debate.

It is NOT the same as getting out and out punched or smacked on the skull with a gun. It does not matter how tough you are or how much pain you can take. If you dont have the durability to shrug off a blow in other words unless your colossus and made of metal or the thing or sooooo strong your superman , then your nerves are still going to be able to be hit. If you hit a nerve cluster in just the right way they simply shut down making that part of the body temporarily unable to respond .

There are also points on the human body where even comparatively weak pressure may induce significant pain or serious injury.There are several types of pressure points - each is applied differently and each creates a different effect. “Pain points”, for example, use tendons, ligaments, and muscles - the goal to temporarily immobilize the target, or at the very least to distract them. Reflex points produce involuntary movements, for example causing the hand to release its grip, the knees to buckle, or the target to gag, or even for the person to be knocked unconscious.Additionally the body has a Pain withdrawal reflex whereby it reacts to pain by moving away from the source.

There is Pain , Break , Hyper-Extension , Concussion. Significant damage can be done to an opponent with minimal effort just through understanding how the body works and using precise manipulative strikes to force the body to react in a certain way. For example : One could knock somebody unconscious by using the edge of the hand (palm-up) to apply a sharp strike to the carotid artery. With enough force, the artery will be compressed, and a mere few seconds of the artery being pinched will starve the brain temporarily of oxygen, rendering the victim unconscious.

what im trying to get across is if the characters physical makeup is roughly human and their muscular density is roughly human then they WILL be affected by pressure points. Even superhuman people like spiderman for instance are vulnerable to this kind of attack as he does not have muscle everywhere , such as the around the head and throat and on joints.

well put it this way theres a few different types , theres ones that target a muscle , these ones are going to be completely ineffective against superhuman opponents as their muscular strength and density would absorb the blow easily. Then theres ones that target joints such as the tendons behind knees or in the inner elbow , or the actual joint itself , these are places that are not protected by muscle. Against captain america these may prove effective , but against say spiderman maybe not as his physical makeup has been altered so radically that even though these points may be his weak points they would still be too powerful compared to the force a regular human like batman could exert ,as even his joints would be far far above the norm . Then theres strikes to weak vital points , like throat , or under the chin , temple ( this is a spot just above/infront of the ear , its a weak point in the skull , an evolutionary weakpoint that hasnt been corrected yet , this part of the skull can be caved in with minimal effort compared to the rest of it , arm pits ,just behind and below the ear in the base of the skull ,or ear strikes. These are spots that have no dense muscular protection and little to no bone structure in place to protect it either , its just thin soft flesh.Even someone like spiderman would likely feel those .And theres quite a lot more , and these can all used by weak small even old people to bring down huge strong people in their prime.The body is riddled with weak points , one simply needs to know the right direction to push / pull / twist ect and the body cant fight back against it. I was doing some fighting for a music clip and the guy we had doing the choreography was and incredible fighter , cant remember his style though i know hes one of the few masters of using Tiger Hooks , i remember hes very good with weapons. But anyway hes this tiny like 5’3 kind of chubby Japanese guy and he was showing us all kinds of moves for killing people :S there was one were he placed one finger under my nose and told me to try and resist his pressure , now im not a huge guy but im certainly taller then him , tall enough he had to reach up and i body build so im waaaay stronger , and i could not resist at all it was as if i wasnt even trying he just lifts his finger and your head is forced back. If you did it fast and with force itd just snap their neck. Or another one , with one finger again against my cheek same principle to try and resist the movement and with same result. Now i dont think those ones would work on a superhuman i think the gap in strength would simply be too great.

truestrength wrote:

Ace Kishaw wrote:

truestrength wrote:

Ace Kishaw wrote:

Hank Xavoiur wrote: Then shouldn’t you be putting Spidey and Cap in different threads then?

Argh....wussies!!!!

Alright guys!!! Listen up!!!! Cause I’m only gonna say this once...

Batman is HUMAN

Spider-Man is SUPER HUMAN

So....

NO!!! A NERVE PUNCH FROM BATMAN IS IS NOT GOING TO
WORK ON SPIDER-MAN!!!!

Good, everybody got that. Now stop bringing other Marvel heroes into this thread...

wrong. you dont understand what a nerve strike is obviously. go back over the last few pages and read what i said. batman has used nerve strikes on people far more powerful then spiderman , like solomon grundy and wonderwoman. anyway all this is digressing from the thread topic which is batman vs daredevil. consensus is batman wins in a hard fought fight. can we close this thread now?!

Wrong buddy!!! I know exactly what a nerve strike is and I’ve seen many martial artists in Marvel who are almost near Batman’s level use it on Spidey but to no effect. Spidey has laughed off those attacks and the semi-skilled Silver Sable broke her hand when she used a deadly move on Spidey. Now, not trying to compare Silver Sable to
Batman but I’m just saying a nerve punch won’t work on Spidey, never has and never will.


Now, I’ve seen Spiderman brush off attacks far more damaging than this nerve strike your so obsessed about. Such as:

a) Brushing off a hit, some punk managed to sneak
behind Spidey and hit him on the skull with a
gun and Spidey brushed it off saying (usual
crack jokes) like “didn’t yo momma tell you
it’s rude to sneak behind people”. Most guys
(well humans of course) will get head injuries
or even pass out if they were given the same
treatment like Spidey did, even Batman would
get an effect. So no, no Batman nerve strike is
going to work on Spiderman here

b) A cement brick fell on Peter Parker’s head on a
construction site when he was rescuing a few
workers who were working a millionaire. Peter
brushed off it off, even though he held his
head every 5 minutes when he was in a date with
Mary-Jane. Now I believe a having a brick fall
on your head (over 30 feet) can cause more
damage than Batman’s nerve punch

c) Spidey has taken punches from the likes of the
Hulk, Juggernaught (mind the spelling), Venum
and more powerful villains in Marvel. And those
punches were certainly not nerve punches...

And that’s naming a few....

Now, on the Wizard Entertainment issue where Batman takes down Spider-Man with a nerve punch, I’ve got one word for it-PIS. It’s just like that other crossover you were complaining about, calling it PIS, Batman vs Daredevil. Where D-D takes out Batman by throwing his billy-club whatever on Batman, taking him out. You called that crossover PIS, it’s no any different than the
Batman vs Spider-Man one where Bats takes out Spidey with a nerve punch.


Lastly, I’m surprised to hear Batman took down Wonder Woman with a nerve strike, like really since I’ve seen Wonder Woman take shots from Superman. But hey, if Batman has, then I won’t argue. Anything can happen in the comic world...


“anyway all this is digressing from the thread topic which is batman vs daredevil. consensus is batman wins in a hard fought fight. can we close this thread now?"

You don’t have to ask me, I’m the one who’s telling these guys to close this thread because I won’t be argue against the obvious. Batman taking down Spider-Man with a nerve punch and Daredevil taking Batman down with his billy club, both are PIS and I’ll leave it to that.

Now guys, sorry for interruption, you can now continue with the Daredevil vs Batman debate.

It is NOT the same as getting out and out punched or smacked on the skull with a gun. It does not matter how tough you are or how much pain you can take. If you dont have the durability to shrug off a blow in other words unless your colossus and made of metal or the thing or sooooo strong your superman , then your nerves are still going to be able to be hit. If you hit a nerve cluster in just the right way they simply shut down making that part of the body temporarily unable to respond .

There are also points on the human body where even comparatively weak pressure may induce significant pain or serious injury.There are several types of pressure points - each is applied differently and each creates a different effect. “Pain points”, for example, use tendons, ligaments, and muscles - the goal to temporarily immobilize the target, or at the very least to distract them. Reflex points produce involuntary movements, for example causing the hand to release its grip, the knees to buckle, or the target to gag, or even for the person to be knocked unconscious.Additionally the body has a Pain withdrawal reflex whereby it reacts to pain by moving away from the source.

There is Pain , Break , Hyper-Extension , Concussion. Significant damage can be done to an opponent with minimal effort just through understanding how the body works and using precise manipulative strikes to force the body to react in a certain way. For example : One could knock somebody unconscious by using the edge of the hand (palm-up) to apply a sharp strike to the carotid artery. With enough force, the artery will be compressed, and a mere few seconds of the artery being pinched will starve the brain temporarily of oxygen, rendering the victim unconscious.

what im trying to get across is if the characters physical makeup is roughly human and their muscular density is roughly human then they WILL be affected by pressure points. Even superhuman people like spiderman for instance are vulnerable to this kind of attack as he does not have muscle everywhere , such as the around the head and throat and on joints.

well put it this way theres a few different types , theres ones that target a muscle , these ones are going to be completely ineffective against superhuman opponents as their muscular strength and density would absorb the blow easily. Then theres ones that target joints such as the tendons behind knees or in the inner elbow , or the actual joint itself , these are places that are not protected by muscle. Against captain america these may prove effective , but against say spiderman maybe not as his physical makeup has been altered so radically that even though these points may be his weak points they would still be too powerful compared to the force a regular human like batman could exert ,as even his joints would be far far above the norm . Then theres strikes to weak vital points , like throat , or under the chin , temple ( this is a spot just above/infront of the ear , its a weak point in the skull , an evolutionary weakpoint that hasnt been corrected yet , this part of the skull can be caved in with minimal effort compared to the rest of it , arm pits ,just behind and below the ear in the base of the skull ,or ear strikes. These are spots that have no dense muscular protection and little to no bone structure in place to protect it either , its just thin soft flesh.Even someone like spiderman would likely feel those .And theres quite a lot more , and these can all used by weak small even old people to bring down huge strong people in their prime.The body is riddled with weak points , one simply needs to know the right direction to push / pull / twist ect and the body cant fight back against it. I was doing some fighting for a music clip and the guy we had doing the choreography was and incredible fighter , cant remember his style though i know hes one of the few masters of using Tiger Hooks , i remember hes very good with weapons. But anyway hes this tiny like 5’3 kind of chubby Japanese guy and he was showing us all kinds of moves for killing people :S there was one were he placed one finger under my nose and told me to try and resist his pressure , now im not a huge guy but im certainly taller then him , tall enough he had to reach up and i body build so im waaaay stronger , and i could not resist at all it was as if i wasnt even trying he just lifts his finger and your head is forced back. If you did it fast and with force itd just snap their neck. Or another one , with one finger again against my cheek same principle to try and resist the movement and with same result. Now i dont think those ones would work on a superhuman i think the gap in strength would simply be too great.

Look truestrength, I’m not doubting a nerve punch is a effective move, but I simply don’t see it affecting Spider-Man. As I pointed out, Batman is human while Spider-Man is “super” human. Theres just a totally big difference between the two.

Also, I don’t know why your ignoring the examples
(a,b,c,d) I’ve pointed out on Spidey taking punishment and brushing them off. Really, I don’t.
Yes, I know their not the same thing but really now let me ask you. What is more damaging to the human body between having a cement brick falling from 30 feet on your head or being hit with a nerve struck? Trust me, that’s not hard to answer,
ask Spidey.


I even told you that a lot of Marvel martial artists close to Batman’s skill have used similar attacks like that to Batman on Spider-Man and the web slinger brushed them off. I don’t know why your ignoring that because clearly if Spidey can brush off attacks from Marvel heroes close to Batman’s skill then why on earth can’t he brush off attacks from Batman? What makes Batman different? Silver Sable broke her hand when she used a similar style attack on Spider-Man, even Doctor Conors explained to Peter that any attack from a human (such as punches, kicks, etc) would not effect Spidey. This can also explain why Spidey has gotten up without a scratch when he fell off a sky scraper and landed right on top of a car (Spider-Man 2 the movie).

Look, sure, there are guys out there who could take on Spidey and hold their own using nerve punches or strikes similar to Batman. Those heroes
could be Iron-Fist, Captain America, Deadpool and even Wolverine. Reason being is that they have strength, their strength could increase the effect
a nerve punch would hold against Spidey. That’s because of the strength factor, Iron-Fist at one point has taken down Spidey with a nerve attack, not sure what it was.


Lastly, I’m not saying Batman can’t beat Spider-Man, he can. In the DC/Marvel team-up presents Batman vs Spider-Man, he did defeat Spidey and it certainly wasn’t a nerve punch that scored him a victory. Batman (of course) with the right gadgets and tools, and preparation of course
will have Spidey’s number.But if it’s a fist fight, then it’s not going to work. Don’t forget,
Batman here isn’t fighting Dared-Devil, his fighting Spider-Man, a super human that can take shots from the likes of Hulk and Venom.


Now I’m going to say this the last time, the victory where Batman took down Spider-Man was a flaw. And it’s obviose Spidey was powered down, I mean come on. How do you explain Spidey being taken down from a nerve punch while he has taken much much much much damaging shots and pain than that!!!! Wizard Entertainment just screwed Spidey over, it’s that simple.

i wont deny its a bit of a sticking point , but this is fantasy in the end , so theres always gonna be some give an take as far as these things go , especially as multiple writers get their hands on characters. Maybe it wouldnt do much to him in the end , but it have a better chance then trying to punch him in the gut or ko him with a hook to the jaw :/
guess i was underestimating spidermans durability some then.

truestrength wrote: i wont deny its a bit of a sticking point , but this is fantasy in the end , so theres always gonna be some give an take as far as these things go , especially as multiple writers get their hands on characters. Maybe it wouldnt do much to him in the end , but it have a better chance then trying to punch him in the gut or ko him with a hook to the jaw :/
guess i was underestimating spidermans durability some then.

Okay, I won’t argue with you on that. Batman would be off better if he used a nerve punch on Spidey rather than a kick or punch to the face, but still, like I keep saying, it won’t have an effect on Spidey.

Lastly, on the Wizard Entrainment issue, I’m glad
you agree that the Batman vs Spider-Man crossover gained the favor to Batman and not Spider-Man.
My man, that match didn’t even take 5 minutes, how
do explain Batman taking Spidey down in 5 minutes without himself getting a touch? Did I forget to mention that Bats walked away from the fight without a scratch? PIS. That’s what it is

And you can say the same thing for Batman vs Daredevil presented by...yours truly-Wizard Entertainment. I’m not sure if you are aware or if
Ragnar told you that Daredevil defeated Batman in that crossover by throwing his billy club (whatever the hell he likes calling it) on Batman’s skull and knocking him out. Isn’t that PIS to you? Batman being taken down like that, and
that’s not the only crossover that sucked.

Superman vs the Mighty Thor also sucked and guess who won that match? Thor, and that match my friend
took place (of all places) in the sewers!!! Imagine that. What? Are they trying to make these two heroes like some kind of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or something? And that match was round about....5 minutes, how inconvenient.

So, the matches presented by Wizard Entertainment that sucked go in this alphabetical order:

Batman vs Spider-Man

Daredevil vs Batman

Superman vs the Mighty Thor

And that’s naming a few...

Ace Kishaw wrote:

truestrength wrote: i wont deny its a bit of a sticking point , but this is fantasy in the end , so theres always gonna be some give an take as far as these things go , especially as multiple writers get their hands on characters. Maybe it wouldnt do much to him in the end , but it have a better chance then trying to punch him in the gut or ko him with a hook to the jaw :/
guess i was underestimating spidermans durability some then.

Okay, I won’t argue with you on that. Batman would be off better if he used a nerve punch on Spidey rather than a kick or punch to the face, but still, like I keep saying, it won’t have an effect on Spidey.

Lastly, on the Wizard Entrainment issue, I’m glad
you agree that the Batman vs Spider-Man crossover gained the favor to Batman and not Spider-Man.
My man, that match didn’t even take 5 minutes, how
do explain Batman taking Spidey down in 5 minutes without himself getting a touch? Did I forget to mention that Bats walked away from the fight without a scratch? PIS. That’s what it is

And you can say the same thing for Batman vs Daredevil presented by...yours truly-Wizard Entertainment. I’m not sure if you are aware or if
Ragnar told you that Daredevil defeated Batman in that crossover by throwing his billy club (whatever the hell he likes calling it) on Batman’s skull and knocking him out. Isn’t that PIS to you? Batman being taken down like that, and
that’s not the only crossover that sucked.

Superman vs the Mighty Thor also sucked and guess who won that match? Thor, and that match my friend
took place (of all places) in the sewers!!! Imagine that. What? Are they trying to make these two heroes like some kind of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or something? And that match was round about....5 minutes, how inconvenient.

So, the matches presented by Wizard Entertainment that sucked go in this alphabetical order:

Batman vs Spider-Man

Daredevil vs Batman

Superman vs the Mighty Thor

And that’s naming a few...

i dont hold much stock in VS style crossovers , their generally poorly written , and rarely do justice to all characters involved. Personally i think batman would beat spiderman anyway ( not through martial arts , but by using high tech weapons and out thinking him ) because spiderman would simply be one of many superpowered people batman had done that too , after all spidey is powerful yes , but hes certainly a long way from invincible and unbeatable. In fact the only cross over ive ever read that was good was gi-joe / transformers , cobra worked with the decepticons and the joes and autobots teamed up.
thor and superman ought to be a much more epic battle , like superman vs doomsday

In all honesty though, Batman is just one Deus ex Machina after another, lol. It’s pretty much always been that he literally has some kind of gardet/device/suit/weapon/spray/antivirus/antivenom/vehical that can get him out of EVERY conceivable scenario.

If you started a scenario with Batman completely naked, floating in space, I wouldn’t be surprised if he literally pull a spacesuit out of his ass (along with a propulsion system). It is always assumed Batman is always well over prepared, or has some kind of ESP that causes him to always bring the right tools with him that evening.

I love Batman, but his resourcefulness is always abused to the extreme, lol.

Khorib wrote: In all honesty though, Batman is just one Deus ex Machina after another, lol. It’s pretty much always been that he literally has some kind of gardet/device/suit/weapon/spray/antivirus/antivenom/vehical that can get him out of EVERY conceivable scenario.

If you started a scenario with Batman completely naked, floating in space, I wouldn’t be surprised if he literally pull a spacesuit out of his ass (along with a propulsion system). It is always assumed Batman is always well over prepared, or has some kind of ESP that causes him to always bring the right tools with him that evening.

I love Batman, but his resourcefulness is always abused to the extreme, lol.

well i know batman has survived for 24 hours in the void of space ( im assuming he had a space suit on ) , and after they found him he told martin manhunter that he could have gone longer. Batmans well prepared because he thinks / plans ahead. Least its not as bad as the old days with " shark spray "

truestrength wrote:

Ace Kishaw wrote:

truestrength wrote: i wont deny its a bit of a sticking point , but this is fantasy in the end , so theres always gonna be some give an take as far as these things go , especially as multiple writers get their hands on characters. Maybe it wouldnt do much to him in the end , but it have a better chance then trying to punch him in the gut or ko him with a hook to the jaw :/
guess i was underestimating spidermans durability some then.

Okay, I won’t argue with you on that. Batman would be off better if he used a nerve punch on Spidey rather than a kick or punch to the face, but still, like I keep saying, it won’t have an effect on Spidey.

Lastly, on the Wizard Entrainment issue, I’m glad
you agree that the Batman vs Spider-Man crossover gained the favor to Batman and not Spider-Man.
My man, that match didn’t even take 5 minutes, how
do explain Batman taking Spidey down in 5 minutes without himself getting a touch? Did I forget to mention that Bats walked away from the fight without a scratch? PIS. That’s what it is

And you can say the same thing for Batman vs Daredevil presented by...yours truly-Wizard Entertainment. I’m not sure if you are aware or if
Ragnar told you that Daredevil defeated Batman in that crossover by throwing his billy club (whatever the hell he likes calling it) on Batman’s skull and knocking him out. Isn’t that PIS to you? Batman being taken down like that, and
that’s not the only crossover that sucked.

Superman vs the Mighty Thor also sucked and guess who won that match? Thor, and that match my friend
took place (of all places) in the sewers!!! Imagine that. What? Are they trying to make these two heroes like some kind of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or something? And that match was round about....5 minutes, how inconvenient.

So, the matches presented by Wizard Entertainment that sucked go in this alphabetical order:

Batman vs Spider-Man

Daredevil vs Batman

Superman vs the Mighty Thor

And that’s naming a few...

i dont hold much stock in VS style crossovers , their generally poorly written , and rarely do justice to all characters involved. Personally i think batman would beat spiderman anyway ( not through martial arts , but by using high tech weapons and out thinking him ) because spiderman would simply be one of many superpowered people batman had done that too , after all spidey is powerful yes , but hes certainly a long way from invincible and unbeatable. In fact the only cross over ive ever read that was good was gi-joe / transformers , cobra worked with the decepticons and the joes and autobots teamed up.
thor and superman ought to be a much more epic battle , like superman vs doomsday

No, I’m not doubting that Batman can’t beat Spider-Man because he can. Of course, with the right tools and gadgets, preparation timed well, he can defeat Spider-Man. Not in a straight out brawl without weapons because he will be in shit


I have also read a DC/Marvel crossover featuring Batman and Spider-Man titled DC/Marvel Team-Up Presents Batman vs Spider-Man. As the title suggests, the crossover was a battle and a team-up
were Bats and Spidey were to face off against the villains Kingpin/Rupert Thorn and the additional enemies The Joker and the Hobgoblin.

In that comic, the battle was set into two sections where Spidey won the first round and Batman won the second round. I posted the comic strip featuring the showdown between Spider-Man and Batman in the VS Forum of batman vs spiderman.
But some idiot decided to scrap it off, anyway, the image showed the fight scenes between Batman and Spider-Man. Anyway, it wasn’t the fight scenes
I was interested in but rather the team-up between the two and the storyline. The best part about this crossover is that it was fair to both heroes and that it was not (thank-God) presented by Wizard Entertainment.

okay okay guys, can we get on with the program?

big daddy wrote: okay okay guys, can we get on with the program?

Consider it done

Good, hopefully we can get back to the topic

big daddy wrote: Good, hopefully we can get back to the topic

What’s the point? It’s obvious that Batman is
winning the match, what’s there to debate about?