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No philosopher’s stone. Anime version of Roy, since I’ve seen the anime but have not read the manga.

1. Who has the more explosive power?

2. Who would win in a fight? Battlefield is the State Alchemist’s testing ground.

3. Who has the greater awesomeness aura?


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Bender Alchemist wrote: No philosopher’s stone. Anime version of Roy, since I’ve seen the anime but have not read the manga.

1. Who has the more explosive power?

2. Who would win in a fight? Battlefield is the State Alchemist’s testing ground.

3. Who has the greater awesomeness aura?



I guess this would be like Roy Mustang vs The Crimson Alchemist i think.


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Except, Kimblee’s attacks were not ranged.

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Who is combustion man?


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The guy from Avatar with the eye tattoo on his forhead and a metal leg and arm. He can fire a beam from his head that explodes upon contact with a solid.

This guy.

His attack is possibly the most powerful firebending outside the comet. It’s not an ability benders can learn, but one they’re born with.

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Well although that is very impressive he seems to use the same trick over and over again, Roy would eventually get around it. Fire may be Roy’s expertise but he is also an Alchemist


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True, but the circles on his gloves are only meant to do one thing- his explosive alchemy. To do other alchemy would require drawing a new circle, which would provide an easy opening for CM to attack.

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Bender Alchemist wrote: True, but the circles on his gloves are only meant to do one thing- his explosive alchemy. To do other alchemy would require drawing a new circle, which would provide an easy opening for CM to attack.



Ah but that is not necessarily true, Maes Hughes explains that the circles are just a means to an end. No Alchemy Circle shown in the series have be a specific circle.


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Really? Then what is the advantage of Ed being able to perform alchemy without a circle? Does that mean human transmutation could be accomplished with the same circle Ed and Alphonse used to fix a toy for Winry when they were little?

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That is because Ed saw the 'truth' outside minor reinforcements to the circles they are all the same


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That’s why he can, but that doesn’t explain the advantage.
Why the reinforcements, then? What can a circle with reinforcements do that a bare-bones circle can’t?

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Bender Alchemist wrote: That’s why he can, but that doesn’t explain the advantage.
Why the reinforcements, then? What can a circle with reinforcements do that a bare-bones circle can’t?



Reinforcement just adds to the strength of a circle making the resulting alchemy stronger.
And even in the managa it doesn’t totally explain why characters that have seen the gate can preform alchemy with out the transmutation circle. I guess it unlocks something in the alchemist. The movie and end series shows that the life energy from the parallel world is what fuels the Alchemy that may have something to do with it


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Very well. Let’s assume Roy can do whatever with the circles on his gloves as long as he knows how to.

What are some non-fire alchemy feats that Roy has which would pose a threat to CM?

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Not much he tends to stick with fire. But basic alchemy can hold dangers for combustion man like traps and what not, also Roy is very psychological in a fight like making Ed show his position in the crowd.


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Based on the video it seems Combustion man can do the job


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I think Combustion Man has this. The testing grounds don’t give much room to hide...at all, and Combustion Man’s explosions seem more powerful to me than Roy’s. Although Roy’s regular alchemy may prove to help him out, his gloves alone won’t do the trick.

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Chaos Theory wrote: Not much he tends to stick with fire. But basic alchemy can hold dangers for combustion man like traps and what not, also Roy is very psychological in a fight like making Ed show his position in the crowd.



And Sasuke could do the rasengan, potentially. But we don’t assume he can, because he has not been taught it nor has he displayed it.

Same concept here, we can’t discuss Roy doing specific things that he has not been shown to do.

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Bender Alchemist wrote:

Chaos Theory wrote: Not much he tends to stick with fire. But basic alchemy can hold dangers for combustion man like traps and what not, also Roy is very psychological in a fight like making Ed show his position in the crowd.



And Sasuke could do the rasengan, potentially. But we don’t assume he can, because he has not been taught it nor has he displayed it.

Same concept here, we can’t discuss Roy doing specific things that he has not been shown to do.


That is saying that Goku couldn’t blow a planet up because we never seen him do it, your trying to use a rock Paper Scissors Fallacy where it cannot be applied


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No, there’s a difference.

We know Goku has enough energy to destroy a planet. He knows techniques that increase in energy with him. Therefore, he can destroy a planet.

On the other hand, Roy has enough energy to make traps and the like. However, we do not know if he actually knows how to. So we cannot discuss him doing such things.

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Bender Alchemist wrote: No, there’s a difference.

We know Goku has enough energy to destroy a planet. He knows techniques that increase in energy with him. Therefore, he can destroy a planet.

On the other hand, Roy has enough energy to make traps and the like. However, we do not know if he actually knows how to. So we cannot discuss him doing such things.



He is an officer in the State Alchemist, he had to show proficiency in Alchemy just like Ed.


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