Now many a time we see using highest end feats for characters with multiple authors and we constantly call anything that goes against this Plot Induced Stupidity. Well, I’ve been thinking about all this and I realized we are debating this the wrong way.
Let’s take Superman for instance. Even his current incarnation has multiple writers. In one writer’s version, Superman may lose to some one like Master Roshi(Death of Superman comic one would.)
To another author, it may take some one like Frieza to do damage to him.
To another, He may be able to tank multiple supernova level energy attacks or something.
This goes for characters like Thor(Who has been beaten by bullets yet tanked a God blast and various other attacks stronger than a bullet)
We need to specify the writer we are using for these comics. Why? Because adding up every author’s interpretation of the character is not very good. This is similar to what we do with DBZ and Anime DBZ. In the manga, they are casual planet busters. In the anime, they got things logically up to solar system and Galaxy busting powers(Kid Buu,Broly,etc)
We don’t add up all the things from the anime to add to our dbz fights. People may say it’s non canon, but even Toriyama made a mention of the anime being canon animated adaption to his manga. He even did most of the fillers. It doesn’t matter if it wasn’t in the manga if HE considers it canon, yet we don’t use it.
So the point is guys, stop using scans from multiple eras and multiple writers. Stick with one writer.
Superman has undergone many different levels of power in his post crisis career and he is pretty inconsistant. And yes, he is. But a lot of you just say “Yeah will him losing to so and so was just PIS!!!!" No. PIS is not all low end feats that doesn’t fit with the high end feats. PIS is something that would be for the moment so to speak. Like Cell not wasting earth from space after he regenerated. Or Gandalf’s eagle friends not taking Frodo to destroy the ring instead of walking the whole way.
THOSE are examples of PIS. Sure them losing to weaker people could be PIS. If that writer consistantly portayed them stronger until that particular time for whatever reason.
For instance If a writer of Wonder Woman consistantly portrayed her to be as strong as say, Frieza is, and then she loses to Joker and a punch of thugs with guns, THAT is PIS.
If Wonder Woman is constantly shown being beaten by those kinds of people, then it is perfectly normal. NOT PIS. Regardless of the OTHER feats that OTHER authors wrote for them.
So guys, from now on I think you should pick one author for the characters, if they have multiple ones. Do not blend feats together.
With this being said, you can’t call some one losing to say a bunch of thugs normally by this author, PIS even if they have a couple high end feats. Because THOSE stand alone feats would be the PIS. NOT the normal, weaker showings.
So no more blending. Chose the author and look at what is CONSISTANT with that author’s portrayal.
Yeah, we do blend the feats together a lot. Most of which would have been those stand alone things that only happen once and have no signs of happening again or could happen again under normal circumstances. I guess that’s a good way to put it.
How a writer portrays events and a character can sometimes speak as feats. For instance we don’t see Nappa or Vegeta taking nukes dropped on them. We don’t know if they would die from radiation. But do they seem to be written above that kind of stuff, as in, if we fought them, could we actually beat them based on how they portrayed? Absolutely not. Not even with nukes.
Are portrayals and such the only thing we go by? Of course not, because we all interpret things different ways. It doesn’t make us right or wrong. The only way we could be wrong is if it is 100% proven false. Which in that case it wouldn’t be open for interpretation any more. But I digress.
Amen Indalecio I totally agree with you. Following this will help a lot to have more fair and more enjoyable topics. Actually it should be add to the official rules.
Characters like Silver Surfer and Thor have been portrayed stronger than DBZ most of time except PIS. Choosing authors is not really a good idea because there are too many writers going on those characters.
LionFranky wrote:
Characters like Silver Surfer and Thor have been portrayed stronger than DBZ most of time except PIS. Choosing authors is not really a good idea because there are too many writers going on those characters.
Yes but blending obviously different story arcs together is silly.
LionFranky wrote:
Characters like Silver Surfer and Thor have been portrayed stronger than DBZ most of time except PIS. Choosing authors is not really a good idea because there are too many writers going on those characters.
Yes but blending obviously different story arcs together is silly.
You can ask some comic book experts for further details. We don’t take Scathan>>>LT or Spidey beating Firelord seriously.
LionFranky wrote:
Characters like Silver Surfer and Thor have been portrayed stronger than DBZ most of time except PIS. Choosing authors is not really a good idea because there are too many writers going on those characters.
Yes but blending obviously different story arcs together is silly.
You can ask some comic book experts for further details. We don’t take Scathan>>>LT or Spidey beating Firelord seriously.
I am well aware of this but, I think you also missed the other point I was making, not taking every high end feat and calling all the stuff below that PIS.
LionFranky wrote:
Characters like Silver Surfer and Thor have been portrayed stronger than DBZ most of time except PIS. Choosing authors is not really a good idea because there are too many writers going on those characters.
Yes but blending obviously different story arcs together is silly.
You can ask some comic book experts for further details. We don’t take Scathan>>>LT or Spidey beating Firelord seriously.
LionFranky wrote:
Characters like Silver Surfer and Thor have been portrayed stronger than DBZ most of time except PIS. Choosing authors is not really a good idea because there are too many writers going on those characters.
Yes but blending obviously different story arcs together is silly.
You can ask some comic book experts for further details. We don’t take Scathan>>>LT or Spidey beating Firelord seriously.
I am well aware of this but, I think you also missed the other point I was making, not taking every high end feat and calling all the stuff below that PIS.
Like using Black Panther arm bar to boast BP.
IMO Scathan =>LT
That is still debated. But I think majority consider it as PIS junk.
LionFranky wrote:
Characters like Silver Surfer and Thor have been portrayed stronger than DBZ most of time except PIS. Choosing authors is not really a good idea because there are too many writers going on those characters.
Yes but blending obviously different story arcs together is silly.
You can ask some comic book experts for further details. We don’t take Scathan>>>LT or Spidey beating Firelord seriously.
I am well aware of this but, I think you also missed the other point I was making, not taking every high end feat and calling all the stuff below that PIS.
Like using Black Panther arm bar to boast BP.
Yes people do that all the time. Well similar things. But like there will be one moment where they use a scan to show, well, let’s do an example.
Say we have Superman beating up Darkseid, and using it as a feat to back Superman in a debate against Goku. Then this same person in another thread, involving Darkseid vs SSJ4 Gogeta for instance. Let’s say a Gogeta supporter brings up that Darkseid got beaten by Superman, the darkseid supporter, the same one that used that same scan as evidence for Superman, now calls it PIS.
LionFranky wrote:
Characters like Silver Surfer and Thor have been portrayed stronger than DBZ most of time except PIS. Choosing authors is not really a good idea because there are too many writers going on those characters.
Yes but blending obviously different story arcs together is silly.
You can ask some comic book experts for further details. We don’t take Scathan>>>LT or Spidey beating Firelord seriously.
I am well aware of this but, I think you also missed the other point I was making, not taking every high end feat and calling all the stuff below that PIS.
Like using Black Panther arm bar to boast BP.
Yes people do that all the time. Well similar things. But like there will be one moment where they use a scan to show, well, let’s do an example.
Say we have Superman beating up Darkseid, and using it as a feat to back Superman in a debate against Goku. Then this same person in another thread, involving Darkseid vs SSJ4 Gogeta for instance. Let’s say a Gogeta supporter brings up that Darkseid got beaten by Superman, the darkseid supporter, the same one that used that same scan as evidence for Superman, now calls it PIS.
This is what happens.
In that case, people didn’t fully explain each circumstance. Darkseid that lost to Superman was later rectonned as avatar, not real Darkseid.
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