D. Gray Man vs Bleach (Yes they can see each other)

Who’ll win? I personally think Bleach edge out D. Gray Man by just a bit. Here’s my op, Road’s ability maybe impressive by teleporting others to dimensions and stuff. But can’t just any Espada level character just bust out? I mean Ulquiorra got sent to the realm of no return by Gaja Negacion by Grimmjow but Grimmjow said Espada’s can escape from those dimensions. Also Marian Cross' ability maybe hax like create illusions and control people’s movements but can’t just Aizen or Byakuya or Tessai or Hachi just negate it by “Hadou 81 Danku” Just like Byakuya negated that Amor in like super reaction speed? Amor speed is like Amaterasu, because Zommari just have to see you and >boom> win. But byakuya is faster than that. Also Tyki’s ability is NOT to pass through anything but “the thousand things of creation of the world”. A Zanpaktou is NOT created from the world just like Innocence. Any how I did my best in bringing these 2 verses' powers into blend to equilibrium. What do you guys think? Come on lets discuss about it.

Honestly your underestimating D.Gray-man. Ulquirro took hours to bust out of that thing Grimjow was talking about btw. Theres also the fact that Tyki Mikki is one of the most broken mother fuckers alive and the Earl is stronger than him.Lenalee broke the sound barrier against a Level 3 Akuma and the Level 4s are even stronger.

So? Ichigo moves as fast as lightning. Last I check lightning speed is faster than sound. Thats why you see the lightning first before you hear the sound.

Manchester Black wrote: Honestly your underestimating D.Gray-man. Ulquirro took hours to bust out of that thing Grimjow was talking about btw. Theres also the fact that Tyki Mikki is one of the most broken mother fuckers alive and the Earl is stronger than him.Lenalee broke the sound barrier against a Level 3 Akuma and the Level 4s are even stronger.

mansher wrote: So? Ichigo moves as fast as lightning. Last I check lightning speed is faster than sound. Thats why you see the lightning first before you hear the sound.

I love how you just say that with no proof.

Here’s my proof.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.11/10-11/
Thats a lightning blast which is as fast as lightning itself.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.11/12/
Aizen shrugged it off

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/302/06/
Amor is like the speed of Amaterasu since it works when he looks at you and you’re done.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/302/07/
Look how Byakuya shrugged it off also.

Then show me your proof I shown mine.

Manchester Black wrote:

mansher wrote: So? Ichigo moves as fast as lightning. Last I check lightning speed is faster than sound. Thats why you see the lightning first before you hear the sound.

I love how you just say that with no proof.

Lightning being faster then sound or the show because I’m about to laugh right now.

Ulquiorra took hours? How do you know all the fights between the Espada are even actually hours? I mean 11 second Vizard Bankai Ichigo vs Grimmjow took like an entire chapter. Its probably like a couple of minutes since the Espada and the Captains fight each other. Remember Goku vs Freeza that entire fight took like 5 minutes. Yeah Ichigo maybe slower than Goku but its something like that. I doubt its hours. Don’t show me that Grimmjow quote. Show me scans and evidence that it is actually hours.

mansher wrote: Here’s my proof.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.11/10-11/
Thats a lightning blast which is as fast as lightning itself.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/315.11/12/
Aizen shrugged it off

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/302/06/
Amor is like the speed of Amaterasu since it works when he looks at you and you’re done.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/302/07/
Look how Byakuya shrugged it off also.

Then show me your proof I shown mine.

You said there faster now your saying they shrugged it off?Which is it?Anyway wheres your proof its as fast as real lightning.

In this case Raditz is actually FTL because he sidestepped Piccolo’s “Light of Death”, which would make him faster than Majin Buu, who has access to Instant Transmission.

Zero Gravity

mansher wrote: Ulquiorra took hours? How do you know all the fights between the Espada are even actually hours?

Other than the fact that Grimjow said it would take him hours and we hadn’t seen Ulquiorra for a long time.

mansher wrote:
I mean 11 second Vizard Bankai Ichigo vs Grimmjow took like an entire chapter. Its probably like a couple of minutes since the Espada and the Captains fight each other.

Are we reading the same Bleach?Ichigo surpassed his limit of 11 seconds during that fight.

mansher wrote:
Remember Goku vs Freeza that entire fight took like 5 minutes. Yeah Ichigo maybe slower than Goku but its something like that.

Frieza screwed as he said himself.

mansher wrote:
I doubt its hours. Don’t show me that Grimmjow quote. Show me scans and evidence that it is actually hours.

There was no time frame given so thats useless.Now do tell me how anyones going to stop Tyki Miki who can’t be touched if he doesn’t want to?Lenalee who was faster than sound with her weaker boots now has much stronger ones.Jasdebi who can make a pissed off Earl and then theres the Earl himself who destroyed Edo without even trying.Anyway theres not enough info on either side to make a proper judgement.

Just as a heads up, Mansher isn’t Zym, or at least not to my knowledge, lol.

Zero Gravity

I mean when Ichigo first uses that mask on Grimmjow it was like 11 seconds right? Also, if it was 11 seconds, it was able to do all those types of movements and attacks. Then show me that D. Gray Man is faster than Bleach. Show me scientifc proof that Sound beats lightning. Show me some scans. Those attacks are electricity. What else are they then? You tell me. I showed you scans that Bleach is stronger than D. Gray Man. Now if you want to persuade me, show me scans that D. Gray Man is stronger than Bleach.

Here’s another one
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/66/14/
Crow cannot deflect all those
but
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/163/14/
Here Ichigo’s all trapped
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/163/15/
Ichigo did this
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/163/16/
There are millions of blades of Senbonzakura and they’re fast.
Ichigo defeated them all.

Now show me some scans and explainations.

Hours, your nuts right? In the retrospect of talking about the Caja Negacion Grimmjow said it would probably hold him 2 or 3 hours. Since there is no real time line given in the actual fights you can’t just say it was hours on an assumption Grimmjow had he did also say it wasn’t designed to work on Espada

mansher wrote:
I mean when Ichigo first uses that mask on Grimmjow it was like 11 seconds right? Also, if it was 11 seconds, it was able to do all those types of movements and attacks.

I truly don’t see to this day why everyone finds that so impressive but whatever.

mansher wrote:
Then show me that D. Gray Man is faster than Bleach.

I find it funny I have to do this.You claim to read D.Gray-man but whatever.
Here we have Allen(before all his big powerups)blocking bullets at close range.
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol042635.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=562
This is Yuus running speed:
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1569
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1575
He gets to his friends who are miles away in minutes.

Eshi a Level 3 Akuma has the power to manipulate gravity.
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/68/06/
I’ll give you more in the next post.

mansher wrote:
Show me scientifc proof that Sound beats lightning.

Did you miss where I said otherwise?

mansher wrote:
Show me some scans.

Behold.

mansher wrote:
Those attacks are electricity. What else are they then? You tell me.

Did you miss where I asked you to prove they were as fast as real lightning?

mansher wrote:
I showed you scans that Bleach is stronger than D. Gray Man. Now if you want to persuade me, show me scans that D. Gray Man is stronger than Bleach.

Your scans didn’t prove anything at all.Just that you don’t think the D.Gray-man world is as strong as it really is.

mansher wrote: Here’s another one
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/66/14/
Crow cannot deflect all those

Thank you for using Crowy who at the time doesn’t really know how to use his powers that well....Hmm..

mansher wrote:
but
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/163/14/
Here Ichigo’s all trapped
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/163/15/
Ichigo did this
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/163/16/
There are millions of blades of Senbonzakura and they’re fast.
Ichigo defeated them all.

Now show me some scans and explainations.

Thats good and everything but I still don’t get how it matters in this fight.
Anyway this is one of Lenalees attacks.
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/71/15/
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/71/16/
http://www.onemanga.com/D.Gray-Man/71/17/
Guess what she actually broke the sound barrier to do that.

Remember Skin?The Noah who controls Lightning?The same one Kanda killed?Here’s some of his feats.

The Noah that represents the “hatred” of the Earl, Skin has great strength and durability in his only fight against Kanda. In that fight, Skin reveal his golem-like real form, and also the ability to generate and manipulate very powerful lightning. He is blessed with a body with an amazing resistance and strength. If the enemy is strong enough to wound him, it will get an electrical shock due to the fact Skin’s body is full of electricity. Using his lightning ability, he can use the techniques:

Lightning: A very large electrical discharge is shoot by his mouth to hit the enemy;

Divine Punishment: Having his attacks blocked or getting hit, Skin’s energy will flow into the enemy’s body slowly. When the energy is strong enough, it will become chains that connect the two (Skin and the opponent). The chains will restrain the enemy’s movements and, with the Divine Punishment technique, give strong electrical discharges directly into the inside of the enemy’s body.

Ability scans:

http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1715
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1716
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1717
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1718
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1719
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1720
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1721
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1722
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1723
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1724
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1730
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1731
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1753
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1755

Now onto my favorite,Tyki Mikk:
Tykis ability allows him to be untouched by whatever he doesn’t want to touch him.
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol064756.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1031
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol064756.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1032
Basically if he doesn’t want to he won’t be affected by attacks unless he’s overloaded with innocence.

Tease:

This Tyki’s golem, which was given by the Earl. They have the ability to eat through flesh and thus breed and multiply when eating through human flesh. They also have the ability to shoot lasers at their opponent

http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2044
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2045

Here he states how easy it is for him to rip a persons heart out:
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol064756.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1033
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2025
http://groups.msn.com/D-Gray-ManManga/vol108796.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2026

Now thats regular Tyki.This is his Noah form.



In this form Tyki’s Strengh and Speed his Drastically Increased, as he easily deals with Allen and Lavi. He also gains the ability to control a tremendous amount of tentacles, that he can use both offensively and defensivly. As well as use them like wings to keep himself levitated.

Speed Feats

Feat One: Allen Attacks From behind, Tyki disappears from sights and counter attacks without even being percieved by Allen.
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8656/10ft8.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9743/11rx8.jpg

Feat Two: While Charging at Allen and Lavi, Tyki leaves a Sonic Boom in his wake
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2729/16qa2.jpg

Feat Three: Tyki summons Tentacles, with enough reaction time, to block Cross’s bullets
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1096/03ly6.jpg


Strengh Feats
Feat One: After unleashing a a barrage of punches on Allen, Tyki follows up with a ground shattering, sonic boom, Punch
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9571/12ff5.jpg

Feat Two: Tyki punches the ground creating a large Crater
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9454/03pk2.jpg

Feat Three: Attacking Lavi, and Cracking his Innocence, And punching through Lavi’s Fire Seal
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3079/08yk6.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2505/09ll6.jpg

Feat Four: Blocking Allens Omega Innocence, and Counterattacking with a Flurry of Punches, without percievably moving his arm more than once, as well as creating mini sonic booms
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5480/11bh5.jpg

Feat Five: Tyki clashing against both Allen’s and Lavi’s Innocence
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7904/07kj5.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1699/08wh1.jpg

Feat Six: Tyki completely Overwhelms Allen and Lavi
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1063/10ic2.jpg

And take into account this Tyki was absolutely destroyed by General Cross Marion. Anyway as I said earlier its to early to make this thread considering that we still haven’t seen alot of the Exorcist Generals in action,we still haven’t seen like more than half the Noahs,the Earl has yet to fight seriously,among other things for the D.Gray-man side.For Bleach we still haven’t seen the power of the top 3 Espada(and the “chuckle"tenth lol)or Aizen and a few others of the Gotei 13 so we really can’t debate in this thread.

Chaos Theory wrote: Hours, your nuts right? In the retrospect of talking about the Caja Negacion Grimmjow said it would probably hold him 2 or 3 hours. Since there is no real time line given in the actual fights you can’t just say it was hours on an assumption Grimmjow had he did also say it wasn’t designed to work on Espada

If you have absolute proof it wasn’t please show us.