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Demonbane vs Pre-Ret Beyonder

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Who wins?


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Pre retcon Beyonder is omnipotent :\


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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote: Pre retcon Beyonder is omnipotent :\


He’s basically omnipotent but not totally. Demonbane is piloted by two omnipotents.


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Yea, I used to think Pre-ret Beyonder was omnipotent but he’s just an HOTU level nigh-omnipotent which is really one step below being omnipotent.

Anywho, Demonbane is one of the most powerful nigh-omnipotents in fiction. He’s defeated a character who’s as powerful as the Living Tribunal multiple times and that very same character had to resort to very cheap tactics in order to be rid of Demonbane.

I’d say he’d give Pre-retcon beyonder a good fight imo.


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Living Tribunal is nothing to HOTU level.

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Pre-Crisis-Goku wrote: Yea, I used to think Pre-ret Beyonder was omnipotent but he’s just an HOTU level nigh-omnipotent which is really one step below being omnipotent.

Anywho, Demonbane is one of the most powerful nigh-omnipotents in fiction. He’s defeated a character who’s as powerful as the Living Tribunal multiple times and that very same character had to resort to very cheap tactics in order to be rid of Demonbane.

I’d say he’d give Pre-retcon beyonder a good fight imo.


Demonbane is piloted by two omnipotents.


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Kinasin wrote:

Pre-Crisis-Goku wrote: Yea, I used to think Pre-ret Beyonder was omnipotent but he’s just an HOTU level nigh-omnipotent which is really one step below being omnipotent.

Anywho, Demonbane is one of the most powerful nigh-omnipotents in fiction. He’s defeated a character who’s as powerful as the Living Tribunal multiple times and that very same character had to resort to very cheap tactics in order to be rid of Demonbane.

I’d say he’d give Pre-retcon beyonder a good fight imo.


Demonbane is piloted by two omnipotents.


Yes instead of saying that how about feats?
The title doesn’t mean shit.


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chibi nli wrote: Living Tribunal is nothing to HOTU level.



Yea, that’s what I meant. In order of nigh omnipotence, the list goes like:

HOTU level
616 Mad Jim Jaspers level
Living Tribunal level
Infinity Gauntlet
Eternity level
Full powered Arceus level
Full powered Galactus(No UN) level


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Kinasin wrote:

Pre-Crisis-Goku wrote: Yea, I used to think Pre-ret Beyonder was omnipotent but he’s just an HOTU level nigh-omnipotent which is really one step below being omnipotent.

Anywho, Demonbane is one of the most powerful nigh-omnipotents in fiction. He’s defeated a character who’s as powerful as the Living Tribunal multiple times and that very same character had to resort to very cheap tactics in order to be rid of Demonbane.

I’d say he’d give Pre-retcon beyonder a good fight imo.


Demonbane is piloted by two omnipotents.



Two omnipotents cannot exist. They’d only be nigh-omnipotent.


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Laharl wrote:

Kinasin wrote:

Pre-Crisis-Goku wrote: Yea, I used to think Pre-ret Beyonder was omnipotent but he’s just an HOTU level nigh-omnipotent which is really one step below being omnipotent.

Anywho, Demonbane is one of the most powerful nigh-omnipotents in fiction. He’s defeated a character who’s as powerful as the Living Tribunal multiple times and that very same character had to resort to very cheap tactics in order to be rid of Demonbane.

I’d say he’d give Pre-retcon beyonder a good fight imo.


Demonbane is piloted by two omnipotents.


Yes instead of saying that how about feats?
The title doesn’t mean shit.


He seals away gods. Is as big as a universe/cuts dimensions in half.


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Summoned when the Martians turn their planet into a massive magic circle to summon Master Therion and Edgar rewrites it to summon Demonbane.
-500 metres tall, can grow bigger (10000 times to at least 5000 km once, and even bigger until the universe it was in collapsed once)
-Can fire homing lasers that reach Earth from Mars in a moment and home in on and destroy millions of targets.
-Armour can withstand hits from 5000 km Liber Regis while only 500 metres tall (5000 km Liber Regis/Demonbane destroy small planets by bumping into them)
-Atlantis Strike: More than enough to destroy planets (at 500 m size, can penetrate the Liber Regis' armour)
-Barzai’s scimitar, can cut through the Liber Regis
-Superpowered version of the rifle that vapourized London, blew Liber Regis in half
-Lemuria Impact, vapourized most of Liber Regis' body (leaving behind only the limbs)
-De Maligny’s clock, time control (turning time back for an entire planet, turning back time in the future so that even if an attack blows away the cockpit it’s regenerated instantly)
-Can control quantum
-Regular weapons can cause a universe to collapse
-Can survive the collapse of a universe utterly unharmed (not just jump to a new one, survive the collapse itself)
-Can of course hop through universes
-Can operate in universes with different laws of physics, or where time flows differently

Time control. Freezing, turning back, and fast-forwarding. Works on self or others, and can be controlled from any point in time.

As in if you somehow manage to blow it up it just revives itself from five minutes ago.

Also, infinite everything (size, speed, firepower, energy, whatever) x2

Weapons are

-Cthuga (revolver) x3, which also shoot giant fireballs (with regular Demonbane, one of these vapourizes a small island)

-Ithaqa (automatic) x3, which also shoot Anubis-style homing lasers

Typically uses all six guns at the same time. At its smallest size (ie- before it enlarges itself, height 2000 km), one of their regular bullets blows away a moon.

-Atlantis Strike
A powerful kick using its gravity control devices. At its smallest size blows away a planet.

-Anti-ethereal Rifle Spell Helix
Big cannon. Never hits anything but the Liber Regis so it’s quite hard to tell how powerful it is, but with regular Demonbane (about 60m ,IIRC), when the guns (which with this form blow away moons) are about powerful as a Gundam’s head vulcans, this thing vapourized all of London.

-Lemuria Impact
Universe collapses from the energy released.

It’s bigger than a universe. It grows so big the universe it’s in pops due to its sheer size then it grows so big it accidentally destroys other universes by brushing against them.

It fights an opponent equally as powerful.

They fight equally matched non-stop for aeons and then Nyarlathotep gets bored, turns back time, and kills the pilot when he was six years old or something.

That’s right, a Lovecraftian Elder God had to use timefuckery in order to kill the pilot instead of beating the mecha. Also note that this is still the weaker form of Elder God Demonbane and it can already destroy universes.

The Elder God version of Demonbane is far more powerful but it hops around the multiverse fighting Nyarlathotep who has nutty powers (see above) AND has infinite lives. As of Kishinhishou Demonbane it has defeated Nyarlathotep 414633276 times (Nyarlathotep himself states that number, so it has to be right).

In his last fight, Demonbane didn’t even attack. His mere presence warped reality so hard that an infinite number of Gunshinkyoushuu Demonbane (the second form) appeared and beat the enemy for Elder Gold Demonbane.


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Pre-Crisis-Goku wrote:

chibi nli wrote: Living Tribunal is nothing to HOTU level.




Yea, that’s what I meant. In order of nigh omnipotence, the list goes like:

HOTU level
616 Mad Jim Jaspers level
Living Tribunal level
Infinity Gauntlet
Eternity level
Full powered Arceus level
Full powered Galactus(No UN) level



The Tribunal >>>>>>> Mad Jim Jaspers.

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iknow wrote:

Pre-Crisis-Goku wrote:

chibi nli wrote: Living Tribunal is nothing to HOTU level.




Yea, that’s what I meant. In order of nigh omnipotence, the list goes like:

HOTU level
616 Mad Jim Jaspers level
Living Tribunal level
Infinity Gauntlet
Eternity level
Full powered Arceus level
Full powered Galactus(No UN) level



The Tribunal >>>>>>> Mad Jim Jaspers.



Yea I’m probably wrong but 616 Mad Jim Jaspers has been stated to be an omniversal threat before by an overseer of the omniverse or something like that and he’s more powerful than the other Mad Jim Jaspers who was a multiversal+ threat.


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It was actually the alternate reality Jaspers that was said to be an omniversal threat. The 616 one was even more powerful

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Beyonder was retconned because the character that Jim Shooter created was basically above every single entity in marvel, if we take the writers own words. (which seems to be awefully popular these days)

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By feats I meant Scans or clips of video.
I can’t take your word Kinasin.


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LT>>>>mad jim jaspers, bbut anyhow beyonder will have a hell of a fight here, but he will prevail, he can beats marvel characters without even trying.


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Laharl wrote: By feats I meant Scans or clips of video.
I can’t take your word Kinasin.


Well whether you take my word or not irrelevant all those things stated are facts.


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Pre-Ret Beyonder. With relative ease.

To PCG: I’d actually put Full Powered Galactus W/ Solar System Sized Ship above IG. He actually thought he’d be capable of combating Pre-Ret Beyonder; though that was before Doom absorbed all that power into himself.

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Kinasin wrote:

Laharl wrote: By feats I meant Scans or clips of video.
I can’t take your word Kinasin.


Well whether you take my word or not irrelevant all those things stated are facts.

Things I have only seen stated by you cannot be considered facts.
You made the claim and you have to prove it with scans or video.


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