Dio Brando vs Kenshiro

Alright, I don’t know if this has been made already but, it just came to me. I was watching FoTNS 2(after having finished reading JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stone Ocean) and it just came to me.

To begin with Kenshiro is the successor the 2000 year old martial art Hokuto Shinken, which destroys it’s opponents bodies from the inside using pressure points. Using Hokuto Shinken Kenshiro is able to use 100% of his bodies strength, which grants him crazy power. He also completely mastered Hokuto Shinken, as he learned the ultimate technique of the martial art, “Musou Tensei” which allows him to warp around his opponent in a transparent state. Also he can use the skills of the people that he’s defeated/fought in the past while in this form.

Now, Dio Brando is a cunning man who used the power of the stone mask to grant himself amazing abilities. Like a nearly indestructible body that is capable of taking insane amounts of damage. He is able to drain the life force of humans to make himself stronger. Another ability of Dio’s is that he can take the body of his victim, which he used to take the body of Jonathan JoeStar after his death. With Jonathan’s body Dio gained an ability called a “Stand”. The name of the Stand he received was called “The World” who’s power is pretty much broken. As it can punch faster than the speed of light, and can stop time.

I want to know who you guys think will win in this fight to the death.

I’ve yet to finish HNK, since the manga still hasn’t been fully scanlated, other than that, I’m good for feats from Dio.

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ZA WARUDO gives Dio the win as long as he can pull it off before Kenshiro uses Musou Tensei.

If not then Dio is screwed.

Question, do they have prior knowledge of each other?

Well, we’ll say that Kenshiro knows that Dio is evil. And decides that he must kill Dio, or at least try to.

No I mean does Kenshiro know about ZA WARUDO and does Dio know about Musou Tensei.

If not Kenshiro might not pull out all the stops right away and be killed during a time stop or Dio might walk right into Musou Tensei without knowing that’s a VERY bad idea and explode.

Oh, well then no. How would they know about each others abilities unless they have fought before? This is their first time meeting each other.

Some fight are set up like that to make them more interesting.

Anyways this could literally go either way.

It all depends on if Kenshiro gets Musou Tensei up before Dio gets ZA WARUDO off. If he does then Kenshiro wins, if he doesn’t then Dio wins.

it would be a hard fight but in the end i think ken would kill dio

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Hmmmm...
I would say Dio.

He is pretty over-powered.
Time stop - punches which can break diamond - a stand which can issue double the amount of blows etc.

Although i haven’t really watched that much of fist of the north star just clips so i don’t know the feats of kenshiro’s strongest form.

G-Lad wrote: Hmmmm...
I would say Dio.

He is pretty over-powered.
Time stop - punches which can break diamond - a stand which can issue double the amount of blows etc.

Although i haven’t really watched that much of fist of the north star just clips so i don’t know the feats of kenshiro’s strongest form.

check out the fist of the north star thread as well. darth hasn’t finish it yet so you might not see what i already know about ken

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You see the thing about Dio’s body is that it can take INSANE amounts of damage and regenerate. Even if Kenshiro did hit all of Dio’s hidden pressure points and blow him up, Dio would probably just regenerate. If Kenshiro really wanted to kill Dio he would have to hit his pressure points in such a way that there would be nothing left, most likely going after Dio’s head. Problem lies with Dio’s stand, The World. The World would be fighting right along side Dio and would be taking alot of the blows. I don’t know if Kenshiro would be albe to last long enough to get a fatal blow in. Even if he uses Musou Tensei the odds of him killing Dio right off the bat with it are VERY low. Where as Dio can and would stop time and just bombard Kenshiro with a fury of punches. Worst case scenario is Dio throwing knives at Kenshiro, and then finish it by dropping say...a large building or machine on him. Take a look at this video, it’s from JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure on the PS1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbArvIqZzkI

He also does this in the anime, only it’s a tanker. In the manga I think it’s a steamroller too. Kenshiro is bad, but unless he could 1hko Dio I don’t think that he would last long enough to finish him off.

EDIT: Here is the fight scene between Dio and Jotaro in the anime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QCWgTcJq3o

I don’t know if Kenshiro would be able to last long enough to land a 100% fatal blow on Dio. He gave Jotaro a tough enough fight as it was, and he had the strongest stand in the world mind you, “Star Platinum” which too can punch faster than the speed of light and can stop time as well. Only Jotaro gains this ability due to Dio driving him over the edge in a near death battle. Also, the only reason Jotaro even KNEW that Dio could stop time was due to previous encounters with him. It took a clue left behind by one of Jotaro’s allies that Dio killed to confirm that he could indeed stop time. In a 1 on 1 fight Kenshiro probably wouldn’t live long enough to find out about Dio’s time stop. Even if he did know about it, he really couldn’t do anything to stop it.

dio wouldn’t kill ken with the time stop are you serious. ok i guess people haven’t watched fist yet to say that ken can’t take punishment. jotaro showed that dio can be hit before he says the world, and ken always tries to kill the person he is fighting. ken is faster stronger and more skilled. dio has the world, but kaio had something similar in the end of the series that ken got away from. ken has a move that crushes your fist and doesn’t allow you to use your power. not only this but after dio makes 1 move ken will already know his style and what it uses. also how would dio defend kens attacks. ken has the ayoi stance which makes his martial art a god style. ken has too many moves where he becomes intangible and would really tear dio up.

wow jotaro moved in this time stop. i have the anime’s. ken is way more durable to those attacks. and if you think jotaro is moving at light speeds, then ken must be moving beyond anything ive ever seen. jotaro hasn’t threw punches so fast that his hands or body doesn’t move, ken did this vs han. ken moved as fast as jotaro in the 1st series of fist. on the island he fought han who’s fist whereso fast they had no shadow, all you saw was air. you really underestimate kenshiro. ken has dodged punches as fast as they can throw them. another thing about the fist is, as soon as you engage in combat with a hokto fighter you start dying. their fist kills as a defensive skill automatically.

with a touch ken can heal, destroy your fist and style, kill, make 100x stronger, basically do what they said in the good book god did.

thanos420 wrote: dio wouldn’t kill ken with the time stop are you serious. ok i guess people haven’t watched fist yet to say that ken can’t take punishment.

I’ve watched FoTNS 1 and saw Kenshiro’s final fight with Raoh. I’m on FoTNS 2 atm. The reason that Dio could kill Kenshiro with his time stop is that Kenshiro cannot move at all while time is still. Dio would be attacking him relentlessly. Did you click on those links I provided? That is how Dio would kill Kenshiro with his time stop.

thanos420 wrote: jotaro showed that dio can be hit before he says the world, and ken always tries to kill the person he is fighting. ken is faster stronger and more skilled. dio has the world

This has nothing to do with Kenshiro being able to stop Dio before he uses The World. The only reason that Jotaro was able to hit Dio before he said The World is because he caught Dio off guard. In the anime Jotaro has his stand stop his heart from beating so that Dio would think he died. However Dio was about to behead Jotaro just to make sure. One of Jotaro’s allies came out from the shadows and stabbed Dio through the head, allowing Jotaro to counter Dio. So that has nothing to do with Kenshiro being able to stop Dio from using The World. Kenshiro is indeed skilled, but do not underestimate the power of Dio’s stand the world.

thanos420 wrote: ken has a move that crushes your fist and doesn’t allow you to use your power. not only this but after dio makes 1 move ken will already know his style and what it uses.

Kenshiro wouldn’t be able to stop Dio from using his stand. The only way to get rid of a stand is to kill the user. Also Dio doesn’t use any kind of martial art style, he attacks with his stand. What is there for Kenshiro to memorize? All he could do is try to block the barrage of attacks from Dio’s stand, which can punch faster than the speed of light. Kenshiro doesn’t punch anywhere near that speed. He’s fast but nowhere in the manga or anime does mention him punching faster than the speed of light.

thanos420 wrote: also how would dio defend kens attacks. ken has the ayoi stance which makes his martial art a god style. ken has too many moves where he becomes intangible and would really tear dio up.

Again, Dio’s stand The World would be defending him. And even if Kenshiro could land blows on Dio’s body, it’s nearly indestructible. Dio has lost suffered broken bones and limbs numerous times in battles that healed right then and there so he could keep on going. Kenshiro is bad but I don’t think that he could continue to fight at full strength with a bunch of broken limbs like Dio can. Jotaro was only able to kill Dio by putting all of his stands power into one blow and striking at Dio. However he had to go through hell and near death to get to the point where he could stop time and crush Dio’s legs to stop him from being able to get away. In that split second he resumed time and hit Dio will ALL of his stands power to finish Dio off. Kenshiro would be long dead before he could land a fatal blow on Dio.

thanos420 wrote: dio wouldn’t kill ken with the time stop are you serious. ok i guess people haven’t watched fist yet to say that ken can’t take punishment. jotaro showed that dio can be hit before he says the world, and ken always tries to kill the person he is fighting. ken is faster stronger and more skilled. dio has the world, but kaio had something similar in the end of the series that ken got away from. ken has a move that crushes your fist and doesn’t allow you to use your power. not only this but after dio makes 1 move ken will already know his style and what it uses. also how would dio defend kens attacks. ken has the ayoi stance which makes his martial art a god style. ken has too many moves where he becomes intangible and would really tear dio up.

Dio’s time stop doesn’t even kill. It just gives him the adantage over his opponents, and then he goes in for the kill, with hard enough punches that can shatter through material as hard as diamond, that and he has enough strength to lift a steamroller, outside of his other feats as vampire.

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and i know this, but he won’t hit ken with enough force to hurt him. jotaro moved in dio’s time stop 2 times, ken needs only 1. ken has been known to hit people without them even seeing it. ok lets say he gets ken with the time stop. 1 second is all ken needs to hit him with the tech he hit saluder with, the invisible 7 pts blast secret tech. once that hits dio he’s gonna have problems. and ken has fought with all his limbs destroyed or did you miss the 1st rao fight. all his limbs had wholes blowing outta them bleeding everywhere. he still fought with full strength. kaio did this but worse to him and he still powered up even more to fight kaio. you underestimate kenshiro badly. dio is a monologuer, in this sec he coould be killed. 1 sec is all ken needs to kill or understand his opponent. dio is the man, but doesn’t have ken’s power. ken could punch thru diamond like it was nothing. ken uses 100% of his bodies physical power.

You do realize that Jotaro also has the power to stop time, and cancel out Dio’s time stop, right? And depending on Kenshiro’s durability, I’d say that Dio might have a chance if he plays his cards right.

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thanos420 wrote: and i know this, but he won’t hit ken with enough force to hurt him.

Dude...if Dio’s stand can punch hard enough to shatter a diamond then how the hell does his stand not hurt Kenshiro? Last I checked Kenshiro’s body is but mere flesh and bone. He is a human with incredible power. But none the less his body can and has been broken down. In his first fight with Souther he almost died, he had to be saved. In his final fight with Raoh he was on the verge of death. Dio does not wear down in the middle of a battle. He just keeps on going.

thanos420 wrote: jotaro moved in dio’s time stop 2 times,

The only reason that Jotaro was able to move in Dio’s time stop is because he too can stop time. Kenshiro =/= Jotaro. So that whole argument right there is void.

thanos420 wrote: ok lets say he gets ken with the time stop..

Kenshiro can’t do anything when Dio stops time.

thanos420 wrote: and ken has fought with all his limbs destroyed or did you miss the 1st rao fight.

He can fight but not at 100%. Since Kenshiro is 100% human he tires down and loses energy after a while. In FoTNS 2 when Kenshiro fights with that Ganto master guy(the dude with the blond hair, I forget his name) Kenshiro is slowly losing his engery. If that fight had gone on those two would have killed each other. Dio can out last Kenshiro. Dio would eventually wear Kenshiro down, even if he didn’t use time stop, and kill him.

thanos420 wrote: you underestimate kenshiro badly. dio is a monologuer, in this sec he coould be killed. 1 sec is all ken needs to kill or understand his opponent. dio is the man, but doesn’t have ken’s power. ken could punch thru diamond like it was nothing. ken uses 100% of his bodies physical power.

If I underestimated Kenshiro I wouldn’t be matching him up against Dio in the first place. I know full well what he is capable of. Which is why I am saying that Dio wins. And again, there is nothing for Kenshiro to “understand”. In reality Kenshiro wouldn’t even be able to see Dio’s stand, but for the sake of this fight I’ll say that he can. Even still Kenshiro gets overpowered by Dio and his stand. And btw, Dio monologues because he is hardcore enough to do so. He’d talk all the trash in the world to Kenshiro and then he’d back it up by beating him.

Awesome, two of my favorite series.

Dio could win if he spammed ZA WARDO.