Dio Brando vs Kenshiro

GodHandTheWorld wrote:

Ranmyaku Arashi wrote:

GodHandTheWorld wrote: Musou Tensei is meaningless if time stops. Ken wouldn’t be able to get anywhere near Dio. And in reality, since The World punches faster than the speed of light, Kenshiro wouldn’t even be able to see the attacks coming. The World has more power than Kenshiro, is faster than Kenshiro, and can completely ignore whatever god stance Kenshiro has with time stop. Dio wins in every way.

Actually it is not.

As you said Dio has no Knowledge of Musou Tensei, therefore would meele against him and explode the second he touches him.

Time stop doesn’t negate Musou Tensei.

I can use that same argument against Kenshiro. Kenshiro RARELY uses Musou Tensei on his opponents. He%u2019s only used it on Raoh and Kaioh based on what I remember. Since Kenshiro would have no knowledge of Dio and his ability to stop time he wouldn%u2019t feel that threatened. Dio on the other hand ALWAYS uses time stop. He%u2019d use it before Kenshiro even got a chance to attack him.

I don%u2019t think it would be a draw at all. Dio crushes Kenshiro.

EDIT: And time stop would indeed negate Musou Tensei. How can Kenshiro continue to concentrate on using the technique if he can%u2019t even move? Dio punches through the nothingness in time stop.

Normally all verses matches have the characters bloodlusted unless specified.

It was not therefore I’m going under the assumption they are, which would have Kenshiro start out with Musou Tensei.

I don’t see why time stop would stop Musou Tensei.

Again, even IF Kenshiro uses Musou Tensei it’s useless against Dio, here’s why. #1 Kenshiro wouldn’t be able to sneak any attack past Dio’s stand The World, which is faster than the speed of light. #2 Even IF Kenshiro struck all of Dio’s pressure points while using Musou Tensei Dio would not die. The only way to destroy his body is to get him in sunlight, like Jotaro did when he broke Dio’s body down. Had the sun not rose Dio simply would have gotten back up. #3 Dio can and would stop time, so right there Musou Tensei would be rendered useless.

GodHandTheWorld wrote: Again, even IF Kenshiro uses Musou Tensei it’s useless against Dio, here’s why. #1 Kenshiro wouldn’t be able to sneak any attack past Dio’s stand The World, which is faster than the speed of light.

Only during time stop. The World is just a really good hypersonic otherwise.

#2 Even IF Kenshiro struck all of Dio’s pressure points while using Musou Tensei Dio would not die. The only way to destroy his body is to get him in sunlight, like Jotaro did when he broke Dio’s body down. Had the sun not rose Dio simply would have gotten back up.

Musou Tensei disturbs the atomic bonds of things the user touches causing them to explode. It would finish him.

#3 Dio can and would stop time, so right there Musou Tensei would be rendered useless.

I do not see why it would render Musou Tensei usless.

show me dio’s power grind

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now the sun was the reason dio got beaten huh, not the fact that jotaro destroyed him. wow 1st it was that jotaro had to use full power in one punch” which you said ken needed to do to beat him”, now he needed the sunlite too, how much more stuff you wanna make up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ5CqqK89QE


yea that looks like the sun alright. and look at how even after the time stop they fought and jojo destroyed his ass. he didn’t stop time to kill him and if you think these punches are light speed then wow.

and do i see dio take punches and block shit jotaro was throwing, and you think ken can’t get close, i didn’t see the world stand stop jotaro from getting close to dio when he was throwing his punches. like i said that’s why kenshiro was 3rd and dio was behind him in the manga top 1000 most powerful characters. he has no chance vs kens style, strength, durability, speed, and jotaro can think while frozen, means ken can still concentrate on his Musou Tensei while time is stopped. game over for dio, cuz he won’t find ken’s body in 11 seconds. he doesn’t know hokuto ryuken, not even rao(hokuto shinken) could find raiken’s body when he did this. he lost to rao cuz of old age and his heart gave out. this isn’t kenshiro we are talking about, cuz he’s waaaaaaay stronger than raiken. knowing this what do you think he is gonna do to dio. the hoktuo has soooooo many secret tech it aint funny, so yea he doesn’t need to use that all the time, which is why dio will lose.

Vital Point Sealing (秘孔封じ, Hikō Fūji?) Kenshiro A defensive technique used to make one’s vital points more resistant to an opponent’s attacks.

Art of the Dragon Breath (転龍呼吸法, Tenryū Kokyūhō?) Kenshiro Technique in which Kenshiro uses 100% of his body’s capabilities.

which he does all the time when he makes himself bigger.

North Star Soft Breaking Strike (北斗柔破斬, Hokuto Jūhazan?) Kenshiro A technique Kenshiro used against Heart that allowed him to penetrate his gummy flesh and strike his vital points.

this is for those who say he can’t strike the points of people in dbz like buu, or people made up of goo.

North Star Bone Crushing Fist (北斗壊骨拳, Hokuto Kaikotsuken?) Kenshiro Finishing technique used against the Colonel, causing his skull to rip itself from his body.

i can go on and on with the attacks he’d hit him with that would kill him easily, but you get the point. one touch and your skull rips itself from your body. like it said “fuck it i don’t wanna be attached to dio’s body nomore”, and it happens.

Ranmyaku Arashi wrote: Only during time stop. The World is just a really good hypersonic otherwise.

Ranmyaku Arashi wrote: Musou Tensei disturbs the atomic bonds of things the user touches causing them to explode. It would finish him.

Ranmyaku Arashi wrote: I do not see why it would render Musou Tensei usless.

#1We’ve been over this already, The World is faster than the speed of light regardless of whether or not time stop is used. Show me in the manga scan where it says otherwise.

#2 Like I said, Dio won’t die unless he is in direct sunlight.
Jotaro mentioning Dio’s regeneration:
http://www.onemanga.com/Jojo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure/264/06/

Jotaro stating that Dio will turn into dust when the sun rises, after he struck Dio with his stand:
http://www.onemanga.com/Jojo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure/264/16/

#3 It’s very simple, once time is stopped, Kenshiro’s nothingness of Musou Tensei stops with it. Understand that when Dio stops time he isn’t JUST stopping the person. No, he is stopping everything else as well. All cells, atoms, everything. When Kenshiro used Musou Tensei on Kaioh for the first time Kiaoh used a type of space distortion technique that completely threw off Kenshiro’s focus on Musou Tensei. So one can only assume that once time is stopped the same thing would happen, only worse. End result is that Dio goes in for the killing blow.

GodHandTheWorld wrote:

Ranmyaku Arashi wrote: Only during time stop. The World is just a really good hypersonic otherwise.

Ranmyaku Arashi wrote: Musou Tensei disturbs the atomic bonds of things the user touches causing them to explode. It would finish him.

Ranmyaku Arashi wrote: I do not see why it would render Musou Tensei usless.

#1We’ve been over this already, The World is faster than the speed of light regardless of whether or not time stop is used. Show me in the manga scan where it says otherwise.

#2 Like I said, Dio won’t die unless he is in direct sunlight.
Jotaro mentioning Dio’s regeneration:
http://www.onemanga.com/Jojo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure/264/06/

Jotaro stating that Dio will turn into dust when the sun rises, after he struck Dio with his stand:
http://www.onemanga.com/Jojo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure/264/16/

#3 It’s very simple, once time is stopped, Kenshiro’s nothingness of Musou Tensei stops with it. Understand that when Dio stops time he isn’t JUST stopping the person. No, he is stopping everything else as well. All cells, atoms, everything. When Kenshiro used Musou Tensei on Kaioh for the first time Kiaoh used a type of space distortion technique that completely threw off Kenshiro’s focus on Musou Tensei. So one can only assume that once time is stopped the same thing would happen, only worse. End result is that Dio goes in for the killing blow.

he said heal his leg that doesn’t mean he can heal his whole body if that was the case he would of.



you do know that when kaio uses a spell not a technique

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fist_of_the_north_star/v21/c004/16.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fist_of_the_north_star/v21/c004/17.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fist_of_the_north_star/v21/c004/18.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fist_of_the_north_star/v21/c005/9.html

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ok , so how does he hit ken since when he stops time everything else stops too, and when ken stops from doing this move, there’s about 10-20 of him floating around. it took kaioh a spell to find his body, yet the world is capable of finding him in the nothingness. that’s like finding a ghost in time stop, one you can’t see, yet the world lets you. all the world does is stop time, not make him see invisible people. hear a heartbeat, thats impossible if time is stopped, so again how does he find ken.

GodHandTheWorld wrote: Alright, I don’t know if this has been made already but, it just came to me. I was watching FoTNS 2(after having finished reading JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stone Ocean) and it just came to me.

To begin with Kenshiro is the successor the 2000 year old martial art Hokuto Shinken, which destroys it’s opponents bodies from the inside using pressure points. Using Hokuto Shinken Kenshiro is able to use 100% of his bodies strength, which grants him crazy power. He also completely mastered Hokuto Shinken, as he learned the ultimate technique of the martial art, “Musou Tensei” which allows him to warp around his opponent in a transparent state. Also he can use the skills of the people that he’s defeated/fought in the past while in this form.

Now, Dio Brando is a cunning man who used the power of the stone mask to grant himself amazing abilities. Like a nearly indestructible body that is capable of taking insane amounts of damage. He is able to drain the life force of humans to make himself stronger. Another ability of Dio’s is that he can take the body of his victim, which he used to take the body of Jonathan JoeStar after his death. With Jonathan’s body Dio gained an ability called a “Stand”. The name of the Stand he received was called “The World” who’s power is pretty much broken. As it can punch faster than the speed of light, and can stop time.

I want to know who you guys think will win in this fight to the death.

Dio Brando wouldn’t happen to be related to Marlyn Brando by any chance, would he?

I love that actor, not much for anime geeks and anime characters and their retarded names though.

I think your all forgetting one thing. dio can cut his own head off and survive in a jar. can kenshiro? NO! he killed jhonathan jostar with space ripper stingy eyes. can kenshiro fight if he cant breathe? N...well actually he could,but not for very long. so even if kenshiro struck a power point,dio could chop his own head off and make a break for it(unless he struck a power point in his head,which dio could easily avoid.not that he would need to. also,dio can suck out peoples blood with his fingers. so if dio used the world,he could suck out practically a gallon before the effect wore off.and then dio would be even more powerful! plus,dio killed joseph jostar fairly easily with ONE knife to the throat. kenshiro could probably sense the knife coming,but he couldnt do anything about it if time is stopped. so i think dio would definitely win,but dont get me wrong,im a HUGE HNK fan!in fact,HNK was a big inspiration to JJBA.

sypher wrote: I think your all forgetting one thing. dio can cut his own head off and survive in a jar. can kenshiro? NO! he killed jhonathan jostar with space ripper stingy eyes. can kenshiro fight if he cant breathe? N...well actually he could,but not for very long. so even if kenshiro struck a power point,dio could chop his own head off and make a break for it(unless he struck a power point in his head,which dio could easily avoid.not that he would need to. also,dio can suck out peoples blood with his fingers. so if dio used the world,he could suck out practically a gallon before the effect wore off.and then dio would be even more powerful! plus,dio killed joseph jostar fairly easily with ONE knife to the throat. kenshiro could probably sense the knife coming,but he couldnt do anything about it if time is stopped. so i think dio would definitely win,but dont get me wrong,im a HUGE HNK fan!in fact,HNK was a big inspiration to JJBA.

if you’re huge hnk fan you need to change your post

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Dio should be able to win this pretty easily.

Lol @ Kenshiro fanboys saying he’s faster than light and can fight in a time stop.

The World rips his head off.

heavenly fag wrote: Dio should be able to win this pretty easily.

Lol @ Kenshiro fanboys saying he’s faster than light and can fight in a time stop.

The World rips his head off.

gayryant you’re fucking clown.. you don’t even read hnk so shut the fuck up lol..

before dio can say a word he would be punch in his face.

like so

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c260/17.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c260/18.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c261/2.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c261/3.html

this is the kicker right here

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c261/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c261/6.html

dio feels fear

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c261/7.html


this wat would happen if kenshiro hit dio in the head just once.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fist_of_the_north_star/v11/c002/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fist_of_the_north_star/v11/c002/8.html

all it takes is one hit to the head and dio is a dead man

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Okay had to join this.

Dio ALWAYS uses The World to attack, (extract from wiki) " Most stand users can access the “senses” of their stands, seeing and hearing whatever their stands can." Dio would easily be able to SEE Kenshiro’s attack, ergo be able to dodge and block.

As stated Dio has the regeneration factor, only the sun can destroy him AND even then he wasn’t completley destroyed which ended in the universe being wiped out. 8D (Stone Ocean there) now I do not know if the OP intended for all possibilities to be added e.g. “A possible explanation for the fact that The World has psychic powers that are only used once is that Hirohiko Araki (the creator of the manga) implied for it to have the power of all of the Stands, or possibly the power of the Stands of the Joestar lineage, due to Dio inhabiting the body of Jonathan Joestar." My apologies for the copy and paste job, just thought i’d mention all possible factors here. With that HE would have all abilities of the Joestars. =/?


Dio does not fight fair and never will, as the others said he’d use Time Stop straight away, attacking with his stand. And to my knowledge ONLY stands can hurt stands.(Can I be corrected on this? I’ve only ever seen stands hurt by stands) So if that was so Kenshiro would be at an utter disadvantage. Put simply IF time is FROZEN, Kenshiro cannot DO anything. Dio wouldn’t attack him head on. Okay he stopped a train, woah. Space Ripper Stingy Eyes will be enough to kill him at a distance in time stop that can slice through stone with ease.

Understand this, time stop is a universal power, it STOPS everything. Dio without his stand would lose, Dio with his stand would win. Several stand users could beat Kenshiro.

heavenly king wrote:

heavenly fag wrote: Dio should be able to win this pretty easily.

Lol @ Kenshiro fanboys saying he’s faster than light and can fight in a time stop.

The World rips his head off.

gayryant you’re fucking clown.. you don’t even read hnk so shut the fuck up lol..

before dio can say a word he would be punch in his face.

like so

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c260/17.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c260/18.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c261/2.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c261/3.html

this is the kicker right here

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c261/5.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c261/6.html

dio feels fear

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/jojo_s_bizarre_adventure/v028/c261/7.html


this wat would happen if kenshiro hit dio in the head just once.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fist_of_the_north_star/v11/c002/7.html

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fist_of_the_north_star/v11/c002/8.html

all it takes is one hit to the head and dio is a dead man

dio’s stupidity would get him killed as you can see in the scans he get’s him self in alot of trouble. one again people are forgetting if ken sees it once he can learn it ( so yea he can learn time stop )


if you have read Hokuto no Ken you would know this. the scans don’t lie in how dio gets him self fuck up

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Kenshiro can learn time stop? Is that what you are saying?

GodHandTheWorld wrote: Kenshiro can learn time stop? Is that what you are saying?

yup

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I don’t think he can learn a psychic ability as he doesn’t even have a stand, and also he couldn’t see time stop as HE IS STOPPED. He wouldn’t be able to exist in Dio’s World(Time Stop) so no, he cannot copy Time Stop unless he mysteriously manifests the power to gain a stand then copy an ability. If YOU read the manga and READ what I wrote TIME STOP is a UNIVERSAL power, It literally stops the entire universe. The World > Kenshiro.

Dio’s stupidity? You mean his arrogance? He’s been plagued by the Joestar family and thanks to them he had to lay in the ocean for 100 years. I think he’s entitled to that, with all other opponents besides the Joestars he spares no quarter. He basically ended Abdul’s life with the assistance of Cream, kills Kakyoin straight off(the fight latest seconds BECAUSE he used time stop, the same thing would happen to Kenshiro) need I go on? Kenshiro wouldn’t know what hit him, and before he knows it he has a gaping hole in his chest where his heart was.