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03-17-2013 07:03 AM
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No more fights, just become geologist or something and leave the fiction world behind all of you if fucking mountains have become your main focus in these forums now.

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Just look at the related topics and relate.


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Mr.Breakdown wrote:

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Mr.Breakdown wrote: Unfortunately current Naruto, from a combat standpoint, is better then any version of Ichigo.



Final getsuga ichigo in the fight against aizen... before going into the power where he had black hair he swung his sword and it took out a mountain, but it first had to go through aizen’s sword first each time thus reducing the power. The tailed best bomb of naruto’s, his strongest attack, takes out a mountain.... in what way in hell is naruto stronger than any version of ichigo?



Comparing the “Mountain” that Ichigo destroyed it the “Mountains” that Naruto can destroy is like comparing Night and Day. I don’t like scaling a “Hill” or a “Crag” to be a “Mountains," that’s just not my style. Not only that but Ichigo’s best feat EVER is a Mugetsu which is only Mountain Range Level and after that he loses all his powers. Naruto, on the other hand, can charge his Bijuu dama to a multi latitude of degrees and can range to the Island Level of destruction. That is beyond any version of Ichigo’s DC.

Naruto has way better Range, Abilities, and Intelligence. In Speed I would also give him the edge as well in Bijuu Mode simply because he has more established feats and Dangai Ichigo only has one speed feat were in which NO ONE knows how fast he was, and with the Kyuubi his Stamina is insane.

Durability I think Dangai gets the edge but probably not considering the fact that Monster Aizen’s Fragor gave him second degree burns on his left arm and that wasn’t even a mountain level attack. But Naruto can dish out SOOO much more power then Monster Aizen and that just a fact. And since Killer Bee was able to take his own Bijuu Dama to the face we can safely assume that Naruto could as well. This is also backed up by when both Bee and Him were in full Ox/Fox mode and they Blocked the Ten Tail’s Bijuu Bomb/Stream thing. So Naruto probably has the better Durability as well. Endurance I’m not really sure since Dangai Ichigo only did so much.

The only thing I can say for sure is that Dangai Ichigo has the greater Physical Strength and that’s it.

In a nut shell it’s

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

So fuck yes I say that Current Naruto is Stronger then any version of Ichigo. It’s just that people like you over rate Dangai Ichigo to the point were he’s almost Godly. That’s absurd.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.
I looked again, sorry, for a second a game mixed with my thoughts. Naruto’s power is shown to be to the amount of destroying about 3 mountains.... but that was his ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack
ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword without truly trying as it is possible to see that he was not through how he was shown fighting as opposed to how he has fought when trying. Also his sword had to knock Aizen’s sword out of the way as well. this made the sock wave that destroyed the MOUNTAIN less powerful than it would have been.
thus not truly trying swinging his sword with aizen’s sword making the shock wave less powerful ((((((!!!!!!one of the sword!!!!!!!)))))) 1 mountain
naruto ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack 3 mountains

imagine if 1. ichigo’s swing was unhindered by aizen 2. he was trying all out 3. he swung is sword rapidly,multiple times, the way he did when fighting byakuya to rescue rukia and he cut every petal 4. used getsuga 5. used getsuga while saying getsuga (said how it makes it a lot stronger earlier on when he says it while doing it)

look at my post #183 page ten on the cero thrown by monster aizen to see how the left over power of the left over power of it was a nuclear explosion minus radiation.

I do not see dangai ichigo as god like. Goku is god like. goku vs ichigo is like chad vs an ant, except probably even worse than that. I’m not some obsessive bleach fan who thinks bleach is almighty, I have just looked at more of the details and compare not just two things against each other but a network of things against each other while taking into account all the details that people overlook. If anyone thinks that naruto is stronger than dangai ichigo after this explanation coupled with the cero explanation earlier you are blind or caught in a fantasy.

THIS THREAD WAS CREATED NOT TO DISCUSS DAINGAI ICHIGO, I KNOW THAT, SOMEONE BROUGHT IT UP THOUGH AND SO THINGS WNET A LITTLE OFF COURSE. WOULD THE CREATOR OF THIS THREAD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS TOPIC? IF SO PLEASE, STATE SO. WE ALL KNOW WHO THE CREATOR IS SO NO ACTING LIKE YOU ARE THE CREATOR IF YOU ARE NOT.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.



LOL!!! Then do me a favor (and since you seem to love caps) TELL ME HOW BIG THE MOUNTAIN THAT ICHIGO DESTROYED WAS!!. The fact that it was called a mountain DOES NOT CHANGE IT’S ACTUAL SIZE WHICH WAS ETCHED IN THE MANGA!!. Giving it a height of 500 meters would be too generous. In this case SIZE DOES MATER!!.

So you can say that it is a mountain for sure but that means nothing and what actually has validity is the height, width, and total volume of the mountain. In Britain the accepted height for the summit of a mountain is about 600 meters and clearly kubo’s etch does not even reach that height. While on the other hand, the mountains in Naruto are usually around 1,000 to 2,000 meters given there approximate height to the cloud line, which is about 6,000 meters. However this depends on the climate and colder climates have lower cloud lines of about 3,500 meters. So just take it from an average of about 4,700 for the cloud line. Not only are the norm Naruto mountains higher but also wider and have a much less stepper slope. There for they have a much greater volume because Volume = Length*Width*Height. These are Naruto mountains on a base norm (Note that this is NOT to scale and is simply a representation of comparable Volume) [img]http://volcans.blogs-de-voyage.fr/files/2013/02/Fuji-blog.gif[/img][img]http://i35.mangapanda.com/naruto/621/naruto-3930643.jpg[/img]

Were as Ichigo’s “mountain” destruction had much less volume and is comparable to a mere crag, a small one at that.(again this is NOT to scale) [img]http://images.summitpost.org/medium/8818.jpg[/img][img]http://i31.mangapanda.com/bleach/418/bleach-2399579.jpg[/img]

So the point is that in this case it does not matter at all if i’m not the writer because what he/she draws for us to see is the most important thing. Kubo says Mountain and I can easily say “Size of the smallest mountain in the world” Mount Wycheproof which only has an elevation of 43 meters. It is up to Kubo to draw out this “Mountain” and the AUTHOR DEPICTED IT AS A SMALL CRAG! Not my fault.

So once again in Destructive Capacity Naruto >> Any version of Ichigo.

ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword

I already explained that Size Maters but no that is no what happened and that’s obvious from the panel above (Why to people constantly rep this? Jesus Christ). Ichigo & Aizen’s swords made contact, Ichigo parried the attack, the force of the parry destroyed the “mountain”. Both of there swords face the “mountain” and that is the direction of the parry and there for the direction of the force. Simple. Not only that but I gave Ichigo the greater strength anyway so...straight and it still does Not change the fact that Naruto has much better Destructive Capacity and that his Bijuu Dama can interval from Mountain level to Island Level depending on the charge time. Plus you make way to many assumptions, almost to the point were you ignore the obvious fact that Ichigo, in any form, has never displayed Island Level destruction. That is a fact.

I don’t care if Aizen’s Fragor resembles a nuke, Naruot still dishes out more Destructive Capacity. Another fact simply because Aizen’s Fragor was not even Mountain level. Naruto can easily exceed that and from Aizens blast Ichigo suffered 2nd degree burns. Another Fact. So once agian by that logic Naruto can cause Dangai Ichigo wayyyyy more damage via bijuu dama.

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

So Like I said before

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

Nothing you said changed anything simply because I already gave him the edge in strength and all your Destructive Ability claims are all brash assumptions without even realizing that the Size of Objects matters. Not to mention the fact that he couldn’t even cut threw Aizen when he had the chance, there for proving that the generated force needed to destroy that “mountain” was from a parry and not a solo swing. It’s not just the possibility that Aizen could have taken the shock-wave, rather it is the fact that Ichigo never created the shock-wave in the first place.

So at the end of the day Naruto still wins.



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That is written to specifically tell us that it was Ichigo’s sword swing alone that destroyed the mountains, not a combination of them both.

then bleach has no logic buy by perception no matter how you cut it (no pun intended) those mountains can be consider the the size of the smallest mountains on earth which is 10x smaller than whats considered to be a small mountain meaning it wont kill naruto



I like using caps to highlight main points...main points you ignored

hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

next i invite you to talk about trees, why because trees in the two are around the same size... yay an established size similarity!!! Oh and I agree size does matter by the way. Now look at those cool pictures above of 1st hokage vs madara and ichigo vs aizen, then look at those amazing trees in both and if you compare them to the mountains.... look at that, bleach mountain was a little taller but the naruto one is a little wider. so about the size of the mountains... please stop it they are about the same with the naruto one’s only having slightly more volume because they are wider at the base
ok so i was wrong on the direction of aizen’s sword, sorry but still as shown above by a previous person that it was not the combined force but ichigo’s force that destroyed the mountain, and aizen didn’t really have anything to do with it, also said by ichigo in the manga “It wasn’t your sword that destroyed those mountains. It was mine”. and yes it was a shock wave as you seen later on another, however severely less powerful, when he gets his soul reaper powers back. also when going hollowV2 he made a shock wave by the swing of his sword. so there’s more on that in bleach swings create shock waves, so that was a shock wave.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.

next you say that the goku thing had nothing to with anything. again, read what im actually saying. i was saying how i did not think dangai ichigo was god like by using a comparison in response to YOU saying how you hated people like me who consider dangai ichigo as god like. so please take back the “mother fucker” that you called me and notice i have not cursed at you or at all this whole time.



hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

What the hell are you talking about? I never said that he didn’t cut him I said didn’t cut threw him meaning his entire body and provided no shock-wave in the process, there for backing up my last statement.

Tree’s...I see no tree’s around Aizen and Ichigo. I see bushes because NO FULLY GROWN TREE that I have ever seen is that short. Barely over Aizen and Ichigo themselves and the shrubs themselves are on a fucking slope. LOL!! A fucking slope for Christ sake. That’s a failed attempt at scaling because it’s obvious that the patched of tree’s around the Kyuubi are small forest. WHY?! because the Kyuubi is a creature that spans AT LEAST over 150 meters and Ichigo is barley 1.9 meters. So in actuality the “tree’s” in the Bleach panel, once again, help prove my point even further while the patches of forest on the Naruto panel enforce this notion. The fact that you just tired to compare shrubs with barely any height over humans to patches of forest that have always spanned the Naruto series, groups of fully grown trees, is mindblowing. You need a better sense of scaling.

Once again the Mountains in Naruto, normally, have MUCH greater Volume, Height, and width then whatever Ichigo destroyed. Also the fact that you said a “LITTLE” wider when Naruto mountains CLEARLY span several Km in width is INSANE!! Lord Almighty! The one on the Bleach panel is barley 600 meters in width. Smh dude.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out



Christ it DOES NOT MATTER!!!! FACT! Ichigo’s most destructive move EVER was Mugetsu! That is FACT and that Attack is Mountain Range Level. ONCE AGAIN! Naruto, depending on the charge time, can go from MOUNTAIN LEVEL to ISLAND LEVEL via Bijuu dama. ONCE AGAIN! This is BEYOND ANYTHING ICHIGO HAS EVER DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES!!! I already told you time and time and time and time again that all your claims are BRASH ASSUMPTIONS(not even a sense of power-scaling] and because you have such a HORRIBLE sense of scaling you assume that Dangai Ichigo can blown apart HUGE 1,500 to 2,000 meter mountains with one swing when he CLEARLY CAN’T TO THAT SINE HE COULD ONLY BLOW OFF HALF OF A “MOUNTAIN” that is BARELY 500 METERS!

And this again

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou



Facepalm “fuck me dude...fuck me!" Do you know how BIG an island is on average? Do you understand EXACTLY what your saying? We ALREADY have evidence of Ichigo’s STRONGEST ATTACK EVER, the MUGETSU, and not even THAT was Island Level. So your saying “But if he 'Swings' a few times he can destroy an ENTIRE ISLAND!" This is exactly why sooooooo many Bleach fans overrate the living hell out of Dangai Ichigo. Assumed, half ass, outlandish claims like this. Let me do you a favor and bring out some MATH logic,

(Assuming that you are right about the solo swing of Ichigo destroying that “mountain," even though there is a clear parry in the panel, Aizen has a back swing in the same direction AND there is evidence that goes AGAINST Ichigo being able to do that repeatedly since he did NOT produce the same effect when he cut Aizen)

Ichigo destroyed the top half of a “mountain” that was at most 500 meters (So we are HIGH Balling here). This means that Ichigo destroyed 250 meters of materiel since it is a simple 500 / 2 = 250. Now there are SKYSCRAPERS that have WAY more volume then what Ichigo destroyed like the Empire State Building, Willis Tower, Wilshire Grand Tower, One Bayfront Plaza, etc. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS?!. When you factor in the mass of the solid rock that the “mountain” is made out and it’s Volume, which is SMALLER then some of the tallest buildings in the United States, then you get about MULTI CITY BLOCK LEVEL SWINGS!! MULTI CITY BLOCK!! Fuck “mountain” Level Ichigo can’t even do that via one swing. So assuming that he can do these shock-waves repeatedly, even though there is evidence AGAINST this, he would need a continuous stream of DIRECTED swings (because of Total Force Ftotal = F1 + F2 + F3 + F4 + etc.) and preform this in a target location that is about the size of about 9km of SOLID BEDROCK and other materials. That’s some crazy shit but OF COURSE this has NEVER BEEN DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES! Which is why I keep on telling you OVER AND OVER AND OVER again that your assumptions for Ichigo’s Destructive Capacity are brash and absurd. We ALREADY HAVE HIS MAX and yet you continue to spout outlandish speculations. My word. Also stop with the, “Maybe his Dangai Getsuga Tensou...." I don’t give a fuck. Never used it there for I don’t give a fuck. And it still wouldn’t be even CLOSE to Mugetsu even if he could spam it, which AGAIN there is no evidence for.

Now your sixth paragraph...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.



WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT............WHAT?!!Mother Marry! Look at the panels below.

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now YOU JUST SAID

cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power

Now let me ask you......where is the CONTACT?! O wait THERE IS NO CONTACT!! You had me going for a second but then I realized that what you JUST SAID was dead wrong. WHY?!?!?! Because you ASSUMED CONTACT BETWEEN ICHIGO AND AIZEN’S FRAGOR!! Once again assumptions left and right with you. Then you ASSUME that it’s would be mountain level (even though there is no substantial evidence to that at all) if your notions were correct. Your like the assumption king or something like that.

So let me clarify what we DO Know. We know that Ichigo DID NOT do that same thing that Yamamoto did when stopped Wonderwise or ANYTHING of that nature. There is NOTHING that support’s that in the panel’s above or in later panels. All we know is that Aizen fired his Fagor and it exploded. From the evidence above it explodes in MID AIR and Ichigo gets hurt by the heat of the explosion ITSELF!! That is ALL the top panels say. No contact made, no “Left Over” spirit energy, none of that. So all of what your just said was negated and it’s still NOT mountain level EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT simply because you COULD NEVER tell me the degree to which the explosion was nerfed. And even still Naruto can dish WAY MORE!

Never called you a mother fucker I said

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

You weren’t even the target. So yea......stop assuming. But you still haven’t proven anything at all and Naruto is still beating Dangai ichigo whether you like it or not; that is what the evidence point to.



First off two things
1. The thing about cutting aizen at the very beggining was not directed at you, I should have made that more clear.
2. Im glad to know you were not cursing at me like that there, I read it differently, in a way that sounded like u did, so sorry that I accused you of it.

For the cero I had you going because what i said was true. You said I assumed contact, but it did, it may not have been shown hitting, but did hit. Before u have the thought “that’s not true”, please continue reading. You said it exploded mid air and that the heat of the explosion caused ichigo to get hurt, but that’s impossible. If his arm got that hurt from the heat, then any of his skin within several yards would had the same thing happen too it, yet the rest of his arm, his chest, neck and face showed no signs of burns. All of those were in a foot of his arm, in fact before the cero he had his sleeve and all still intact. So ur saying that the heat burnt through all that and burnt his arm when his face had nothing on it yet it received no damage? That is completely impossible for it to not have been burnt too if the heat caused the burns. It even shows ichigo’s arm raised, it showing it raised is to tell us he blocked it with his arm, after all to block something comming at them people will raise their arm. So ichigo did block it with his arm and my cero explanation does hold true.

For the mugetsu thing, mugetsu is not a big area attack, it’s a straight line attack. It’s not supposed to destroy a large area. It’s just not that type of attack; it’s a focused attack that destroys whatever it hits. U saying how it’s not island level doesn’t matter in comparing it too something like the tailed beast bomb... Here’s why... Tailed beast bomb destroys bigger area than mugetsu, now a fireball destroys more than the reanimated riakage’s single finger lightning style jutsu right? But the riakage’s jutsu holds a lot more power. You can’t say just because something destroys more in manga and anime that it’s more powerful.

The island thing... You know that the smallest island is called bishop rock and is approximately 50 square meters. When I said island u thought of something a lot bigger. In response to this you might be thinking duh... When someone says island nobody thinks of a small island or the smallest island, they think of a island of a pretty good size. You know what I say to that.... That u would be completely right. People don’t think like that. I even tested it out today with two friends I was with and it proved this to be true. When I first read the bleach chapter where ichigo destroyed the mountain, I did not see it as a mountain until aizen said it was a mountain. I thought when I saw the picture of it that it was just some rock face besides them. After all that’s what it looks like at first glance and no other angle had been given to show other wise and I’m sure almost everyone else saw it the same way at first. But then ya realize that it looks so small because it’s far away. That’s obvious that being further away makes something look smaller. Now why do people keep saying the “stupid distance crap”. What about it is stupid? That if it’s true then naruto is weaker? What proof is there against it other than the picture which can not be used as proof against itself obviously. So now the word mountain being used has caused controversy. When a writer says something it impacts what a reader thinks, every writer knows that and chooses their words carefully. But kubo holds what a person says as VERY important as seen with gin saying sorry to rangiku, ichigo’s father when he was talking to Jon and didn’t say ichigo once(his dad always says ichigo pretty much announcing his presence often times when saying it), when aizen was saying the thing about what ichigo is the son of, and many other times as well. He uses his words as something very important. If some one say mountain.... What do people think.... If someone says island... What do people think.... Any one really think he’d say mountain if talking about something as small as most of you are saying? No way he would.

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kajafamakalaka wrote:

Mr.Breakdown wrote:

kajafamakalaka wrote:

Akiretsu wrote:

Raiden Blackthorn wrote:

Mr.Breakdown wrote:

Kajafamakalaka wrote:

Mr.Breakdown wrote:

kajafamakalaka wrote:

Mr.Breakdown wrote: Unfortunately current Naruto, from a combat standpoint, is better then any version of Ichigo.



Final getsuga ichigo in the fight against aizen... before going into the power where he had black hair he swung his sword and it took out a mountain, but it first had to go through aizen’s sword first each time thus reducing the power. The tailed best bomb of naruto’s, his strongest attack, takes out a mountain.... in what way in hell is naruto stronger than any version of ichigo?



Comparing the “Mountain” that Ichigo destroyed it the “Mountains” that Naruto can destroy is like comparing Night and Day. I don’t like scaling a “Hill” or a “Crag” to be a “Mountains," that’s just not my style. Not only that but Ichigo’s best feat EVER is a Mugetsu which is only Mountain Range Level and after that he loses all his powers. Naruto, on the other hand, can charge his Bijuu dama to a multi latitude of degrees and can range to the Island Level of destruction. That is beyond any version of Ichigo’s DC.

Naruto has way better Range, Abilities, and Intelligence. In Speed I would also give him the edge as well in Bijuu Mode simply because he has more established feats and Dangai Ichigo only has one speed feat were in which NO ONE knows how fast he was, and with the Kyuubi his Stamina is insane.

Durability I think Dangai gets the edge but probably not considering the fact that Monster Aizen’s Fragor gave him second degree burns on his left arm and that wasn’t even a mountain level attack. But Naruto can dish out SOOO much more power then Monster Aizen and that just a fact. And since Killer Bee was able to take his own Bijuu Dama to the face we can safely assume that Naruto could as well. This is also backed up by when both Bee and Him were in full Ox/Fox mode and they Blocked the Ten Tail’s Bijuu Bomb/Stream thing. So Naruto probably has the better Durability as well. Endurance I’m not really sure since Dangai Ichigo only did so much.

The only thing I can say for sure is that Dangai Ichigo has the greater Physical Strength and that’s it.

In a nut shell it’s

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

So fuck yes I say that Current Naruto is Stronger then any version of Ichigo. It’s just that people like you over rate Dangai Ichigo to the point were he’s almost Godly. That’s absurd.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.
I looked again, sorry, for a second a game mixed with my thoughts. Naruto’s power is shown to be to the amount of destroying about 3 mountains.... but that was his ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack
ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword without truly trying as it is possible to see that he was not through how he was shown fighting as opposed to how he has fought when trying. Also his sword had to knock Aizen’s sword out of the way as well. this made the sock wave that destroyed the MOUNTAIN less powerful than it would have been.
thus not truly trying swinging his sword with aizen’s sword making the shock wave less powerful ((((((!!!!!!one of the sword!!!!!!!)))))) 1 mountain
naruto ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack 3 mountains

imagine if 1. ichigo’s swing was unhindered by aizen 2. he was trying all out 3. he swung is sword rapidly,multiple times, the way he did when fighting byakuya to rescue rukia and he cut every petal 4. used getsuga 5. used getsuga while saying getsuga (said how it makes it a lot stronger earlier on when he says it while doing it)

look at my post #183 page ten on the cero thrown by monster aizen to see how the left over power of the left over power of it was a nuclear explosion minus radiation.

I do not see dangai ichigo as god like. Goku is god like. goku vs ichigo is like chad vs an ant, except probably even worse than that. I’m not some obsessive bleach fan who thinks bleach is almighty, I have just looked at more of the details and compare not just two things against each other but a network of things against each other while taking into account all the details that people overlook. If anyone thinks that naruto is stronger than dangai ichigo after this explanation coupled with the cero explanation earlier you are blind or caught in a fantasy.

THIS THREAD WAS CREATED NOT TO DISCUSS DAINGAI ICHIGO, I KNOW THAT, SOMEONE BROUGHT IT UP THOUGH AND SO THINGS WNET A LITTLE OFF COURSE. WOULD THE CREATOR OF THIS THREAD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS TOPIC? IF SO PLEASE, STATE SO. WE ALL KNOW WHO THE CREATOR IS SO NO ACTING LIKE YOU ARE THE CREATOR IF YOU ARE NOT.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.



LOL!!! Then do me a favor (and since you seem to love caps) TELL ME HOW BIG THE MOUNTAIN THAT ICHIGO DESTROYED WAS!!. The fact that it was called a mountain DOES NOT CHANGE IT’S ACTUAL SIZE WHICH WAS ETCHED IN THE MANGA!!. Giving it a height of 500 meters would be too generous. In this case SIZE DOES MATER!!.

So you can say that it is a mountain for sure but that means nothing and what actually has validity is the height, width, and total volume of the mountain. In Britain the accepted height for the summit of a mountain is about 600 meters and clearly kubo’s etch does not even reach that height. While on the other hand, the mountains in Naruto are usually around 1,000 to 2,000 meters given there approximate height to the cloud line, which is about 6,000 meters. However this depends on the climate and colder climates have lower cloud lines of about 3,500 meters. So just take it from an average of about 4,700 for the cloud line. Not only are the norm Naruto mountains higher but also wider and have a much less stepper slope. There for they have a much greater volume because Volume = Length*Width*Height. These are Naruto mountains on a base norm (Note that this is NOT to scale and is simply a representation of comparable Volume)

Were as Ichigo’s “mountain” destruction had much less volume and is comparable to a mere crag, a small one at that.(again this is NOT to scale)

So the point is that in this case it does not matter at all if i’m not the writer because what he/she draws for us to see is the most important thing. Kubo says Mountain and I can easily say “Size of the smallest mountain in the world” Mount Wycheproof which only has an elevation of 43 meters. It is up to Kubo to draw out this “Mountain” and the AUTHOR DEPICTED IT AS A SMALL CRAG! Not my fault.

So once again in Destructive Capacity Naruto >> Any version of Ichigo.

ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword

I already explained that Size Maters but no that is no what happened and that’s obvious from the panel above (Why to people constantly rep this? Jesus Christ). Ichigo & Aizen’s swords made contact, Ichigo parried the attack, the force of the parry destroyed the “mountain”. Both of there swords face the “mountain” and that is the direction of the parry and there for the direction of the force. Simple. Not only that but I gave Ichigo the greater strength anyway so...straight and it still does Not change the fact that Naruto has much better Destructive Capacity and that his Bijuu Dama can interval from Mountain level to Island Level depending on the charge time. Plus you make way to many assumptions, almost to the point were you ignore the obvious fact that Ichigo, in any form, has never displayed Island Level destruction. That is a fact.

I don’t care if Aizen’s Fragor resembles a nuke, Naruot still dishes out more Destructive Capacity. Another fact simply because Aizen’s Fragor was not even Mountain level. Naruto can easily exceed that and from Aizens blast Ichigo suffered 2nd degree burns. Another Fact. So once agian by that logic Naruto can cause Dangai Ichigo wayyyyy more damage via bijuu dama.

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

So Like I said before

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

Nothing you said changed anything simply because I already gave him the edge in strength and all your Destructive Ability claims are all brash assumptions without even realizing that the Size of Objects matters. Not to mention the fact that he couldn’t even cut threw Aizen when he had the chance, there for proving that the generated force needed to destroy that “mountain” was from a parry and not a solo swing. It’s not just the possibility that Aizen could have taken the shock-wave, rather it is the fact that Ichigo never created the shock-wave in the first place.

So at the end of the day Naruto still wins.







That is written to specifically tell us that it was Ichigo’s sword swing alone that destroyed the mountains, not a combination of them both.

then bleach has no logic buy by perception no matter how you cut it (no pun intended) those mountains can be consider the the size of the smallest mountains on earth which is 10x smaller than whats considered to be a small mountain meaning it wont kill naruto



I like using caps to highlight main points...main points you ignored

hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

next i invite you to talk about trees, why because trees in the two are around the same size... yay an established size similarity!!! Oh and I agree size does matter by the way. Now look at those cool pictures above of 1st hokage vs madara and ichigo vs aizen, then look at those amazing trees in both and if you compare them to the mountains.... look at that, bleach mountain was a little taller but the naruto one is a little wider. so about the size of the mountains... please stop it they are about the same with the naruto one’s only having slightly more volume because they are wider at the base
ok so i was wrong on the direction of aizen’s sword, sorry but still as shown above by a previous person that it was not the combined force but ichigo’s force that destroyed the mountain, and aizen didn’t really have anything to do with it, also said by ichigo in the manga “It wasn’t your sword that destroyed those mountains. It was mine”. and yes it was a shock wave as you seen later on another, however severely less powerful, when he gets his soul reaper powers back. also when going hollowV2 he made a shock wave by the swing of his sword. so there’s more on that in bleach swings create shock waves, so that was a shock wave.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.

next you say that the goku thing had nothing to with anything. again, read what im actually saying. i was saying how i did not think dangai ichigo was god like by using a comparison in response to YOU saying how you hated people like me who consider dangai ichigo as god like. so please take back the “mother fucker” that you called me and notice i have not cursed at you or at all this whole time.



hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

What the hell are you talking about? I never said that he didn’t cut him I said didn’t cut threw him meaning his entire body and provided no shock-wave in the process, there for backing up my last statement.

Tree’s...I see no tree’s around Aizen and Ichigo. I see bushes because NO FULLY GROWN TREE that I have ever seen is that short. Barely over Aizen and Ichigo themselves and the shrubs themselves are on a fucking slope. LOL!! A fucking slope for Christ sake. That’s a failed attempt at scaling because it’s obvious that the patched of tree’s around the Kyuubi are small forest. WHY?! because the Kyuubi is a creature that spans AT LEAST over 150 meters and Ichigo is barley 1.9 meters. So in actuality the “tree’s” in the Bleach panel, once again, help prove my point even further while the patches of forest on the Naruto panel enforce this notion. The fact that you just tired to compare shrubs with barely any height over humans to patches of forest that have always spanned the Naruto series, groups of fully grown trees, is mindblowing. You need a better sense of scaling.

Once again the Mountains in Naruto, normally, have MUCH greater Volume, Height, and width then whatever Ichigo destroyed. Also the fact that you said a “LITTLE” wider when Naruto mountains CLEARLY span several Km in width is INSANE!! Lord Almighty! The one on the Bleach panel is barley 600 meters in width. Smh dude.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out



Christ it DOES NOT MATTER!!!! FACT! Ichigo’s most destructive move EVER was Mugetsu! That is FACT and that Attack is Mountain Range Level. ONCE AGAIN! Naruto, depending on the charge time, can go from MOUNTAIN LEVEL to ISLAND LEVEL via Bijuu dama. ONCE AGAIN! This is BEYOND ANYTHING ICHIGO HAS EVER DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES!!! I already told you time and time and time and time again that all your claims are BRASH ASSUMPTIONS(not even a sense of power-scaling] and because you have such a HORRIBLE sense of scaling you assume that Dangai Ichigo can blown apart HUGE 1,500 to 2,000 meter mountains with one swing when he CLEARLY CAN’T TO THAT SINE HE COULD ONLY BLOW OFF HALF OF A “MOUNTAIN” that is BARELY 500 METERS!

And this again

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou



Facepalm “fuck me dude...fuck me!" Do you know how BIG an island is on average? Do you understand EXACTLY what your saying? We ALREADY have evidence of Ichigo’s STRONGEST ATTACK EVER, the MUGETSU, and not even THAT was Island Level. So your saying “But if he 'Swings' a few times he can destroy an ENTIRE ISLAND!" This is exactly why sooooooo many Bleach fans overrate the living hell out of Dangai Ichigo. Assumed, half ass, outlandish claims like this. Let me do you a favor and bring out some MATH logic,

(Assuming that you are right about the solo swing of Ichigo destroying that “mountain," even though there is a clear parry in the panel, Aizen has a back swing in the same direction AND there is evidence that goes AGAINST Ichigo being able to do that repeatedly since he did NOT produce the same effect when he cut Aizen)

Ichigo destroyed the top half of a “mountain” that was at most 500 meters (So we are HIGH Balling here). This means that Ichigo destroyed 250 meters of materiel since it is a simple 500 / 2 = 250. Now there are SKYSCRAPERS that have WAY more volume then what Ichigo destroyed like the Empire State Building, Willis Tower, Wilshire Grand Tower, One Bayfront Plaza, etc. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS?!. When you factor in the mass of the solid rock that the “mountain” is made out and it’s Volume, which is SMALLER then some of the tallest buildings in the United States, then you get about MULTI CITY BLOCK LEVEL SWINGS!! MULTI CITY BLOCK!! Fuck “mountain” Level Ichigo can’t even do that via one swing. So assuming that he can do these shock-waves repeatedly, even though there is evidence AGAINST this, he would need a continuous stream of DIRECTED swings (because of Total Force Ftotal = F1 + F2 + F3 + F4 + etc.) and preform this in a target location that is about the size of about 9km of SOLID BEDROCK and other materials. That’s some crazy shit but OF COURSE this has NEVER BEEN DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES! Which is why I keep on telling you OVER AND OVER AND OVER again that your assumptions for Ichigo’s Destructive Capacity are brash and absurd. We ALREADY HAVE HIS MAX and yet you continue to spout outlandish speculations. My word. Also stop with the, “Maybe his Dangai Getsuga Tensou...." I don’t give a fuck. Never used it there for I don’t give a fuck. And it still wouldn’t be even CLOSE to Mugetsu even if he could spam it, which AGAIN there is no evidence for.

Now your sixth paragraph...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.



WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT............WHAT?!!Mother Marry! Look at the panels below.




now YOU JUST SAID

cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power

Now let me ask you......where is the CONTACT?! O wait THERE IS NO CONTACT!! You had me going for a second but then I realized that what you JUST SAID was dead wrong. WHY?!?!?! Because you ASSUMED CONTACT BETWEEN ICHIGO AND AIZEN’S FRAGOR!! Once again assumptions left and right with you. Then you ASSUME that it’s would be mountain level (even though there is no substantial evidence to that at all) if your notions were correct. Your like the assumption king or something like that.

So let me clarify what we DO Know. We know that Ichigo DID NOT do that same thing that Yamamoto did when stopped Wonderwise or ANYTHING of that nature. There is NOTHING that support’s that in the panel’s above or in later panels. All we know is that Aizen fired his Fagor and it exploded. From the evidence above it explodes in MID AIR and Ichigo gets hurt by the heat of the explosion ITSELF!! That is ALL the top panels say. No contact made, no “Left Over” spirit energy, none of that. So all of what your just said was negated and it’s still NOT mountain level EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT simply because you COULD NEVER tell me the degree to which the explosion was nerfed. And even still Naruto can dish WAY MORE!

Never called you a mother fucker I said

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

You weren’t even the target. So yea......stop assuming. But you still haven’t proven anything at all and Naruto is still beating Dangai ichigo whether you like it or not; that is what the evidence point to.



First off two things
1. The thing about cutting aizen at the very beggining was not directed at you, I should have made that more clear.
2. Im glad to know you were not cursing at me like that there, I read it differently, in a way that sounded like u did, so sorry that I accused you of it.

For the cero I had you going because what i said was true. You said I assumed contact, but it did, it may not have been shown hitting, but did hit. Before u have the thought “that’s not true”, please continue reading. You said it exploded mid air and that the heat of the explosion caused ichigo to get hurt, but that’s impossible. If his arm got that hurt from the heat, then any of his skin within several yards would had the same thing happen too it, yet the rest of his arm, his chest, neck and face showed no signs of burns. All of those were in a foot of his arm, in fact before the cero he had his sleeve and all still intact. So ur saying that the heat burnt through all that and burnt his arm when his face had nothing on it yet it received no damage? That is completely impossible for it to not have been burnt too if the heat caused the burns. It even shows ichigo’s arm raised, it showing it raised is to tell us he blocked it with his arm, after all to block something comming at them people will raise their arm. So ichigo did block it with his arm and my cero explanation does hold true.

For the mugetsu thing, mugetsu is not a big area attack, it’s a straight line attack. It’s not supposed to destroy a large area. It’s just not that type of attack; it’s a focused attack that destroys whatever it hits. U saying how it’s not island level doesn’t matter in comparing it too something like the tailed beast bomb... Here’s why... Tailed beast bomb destroys bigger area than mugetsu, now a fireball destroys more than the reanimated riakage’s single finger lightning style jutsu right? But the riakage’s jutsu holds a lot more power. You can’t say just because something destroys more in manga and anime that it’s more powerful.

The island thing... You know that the smallest island is called bishop rock and is approximately 50 square meters. When I said island u thought of something a lot bigger. In response to this you might be thinking duh... When someone says island nobody thinks of a small island or the smallest island, they think of a island of a pretty good size. You know what I say to that.... That u would be completely right. People don’t think like that. I even tested it out today with two friends I was with and it proved this to be true. When I first read the bleach chapter where ichigo destroyed the mountain, I did not see it as a mountain until aizen said it was a mountain. I thought when I saw the picture of it that it was just some rock face besides them. After all that’s what it looks like at first glance and no other angle had been given to show other wise and I’m sure almost everyone else saw it the same way at first. But then ya realize that it looks so small because it’s far away. That’s obvious that being further away makes something look smaller. Now why do people keep saying the “stupid distance crap”. What about it is stupid? That if it’s true then naruto is weaker? What proof is there against it other than the picture which can not be used as proof against itself obviously. So now the word mountain being used has caused controversy. When a writer says something it impacts what a reader thinks, every writer knows that and chooses their words carefully. But kubo holds what a person says as VERY important as seen with gin saying sorry to rangiku, ichigo’s father when he was talking to Jon and didn’t say ichigo once(his dad always says ichigo pretty much announcing his presence often times when saying it), when aizen was saying the thing about what ichigo is the son of, and many other times as well. He uses his words as something very important. If some one say mountain.... What do people think.... If someone says island... What do people think.... Any one really think he’d say mountain if talking about something as small as most of you are saying? No way he would.

this is the same shit im talking about...I guess juubi blast was casual country buster seeing as the mountains around the blast was so small because they were farther away then percived straight get that horse shit outta here, author said it was mountain but gave no diameter/distance/height or anything so how the hell are you and your fan base going to argue something thats not even the in manga with no proof other than perception? And its percieved to be 10 feet away from them now yes I understand the optic allusion of things but this is not a solid case you can apply that logic to because if that was the case, kyuubi is casual city buster of cities the size of los angeles basing of that logic, just take it as it is, a hill and a small one at that


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Mr.Breakdown wrote: Unfortunately current Naruto, from a combat standpoint, is better then any version of Ichigo.



Final getsuga ichigo in the fight against aizen... before going into the power where he had black hair he swung his sword and it took out a mountain, but it first had to go through aizen’s sword first each time thus reducing the power. The tailed best bomb of naruto’s, his strongest attack, takes out a mountain.... in what way in hell is naruto stronger than any version of ichigo?



Comparing the “Mountain” that Ichigo destroyed it the “Mountains” that Naruto can destroy is like comparing Night and Day. I don’t like scaling a “Hill” or a “Crag” to be a “Mountains," that’s just not my style. Not only that but Ichigo’s best feat EVER is a Mugetsu which is only Mountain Range Level and after that he loses all his powers. Naruto, on the other hand, can charge his Bijuu dama to a multi latitude of degrees and can range to the Island Level of destruction. That is beyond any version of Ichigo’s DC.

Naruto has way better Range, Abilities, and Intelligence. In Speed I would also give him the edge as well in Bijuu Mode simply because he has more established feats and Dangai Ichigo only has one speed feat were in which NO ONE knows how fast he was, and with the Kyuubi his Stamina is insane.

Durability I think Dangai gets the edge but probably not considering the fact that Monster Aizen’s Fragor gave him second degree burns on his left arm and that wasn’t even a mountain level attack. But Naruto can dish out SOOO much more power then Monster Aizen and that just a fact. And since Killer Bee was able to take his own Bijuu Dama to the face we can safely assume that Naruto could as well. This is also backed up by when both Bee and Him were in full Ox/Fox mode and they Blocked the Ten Tail’s Bijuu Bomb/Stream thing. So Naruto probably has the better Durability as well. Endurance I’m not really sure since Dangai Ichigo only did so much.

The only thing I can say for sure is that Dangai Ichigo has the greater Physical Strength and that’s it.

In a nut shell it’s

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

So fuck yes I say that Current Naruto is Stronger then any version of Ichigo. It’s just that people like you over rate Dangai Ichigo to the point were he’s almost Godly. That’s absurd.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.
I looked again, sorry, for a second a game mixed with my thoughts. Naruto’s power is shown to be to the amount of destroying about 3 mountains.... but that was his ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack
ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword without truly trying as it is possible to see that he was not through how he was shown fighting as opposed to how he has fought when trying. Also his sword had to knock Aizen’s sword out of the way as well. this made the sock wave that destroyed the MOUNTAIN less powerful than it would have been.
thus not truly trying swinging his sword with aizen’s sword making the shock wave less powerful ((((((!!!!!!one of the sword!!!!!!!)))))) 1 mountain
naruto ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack 3 mountains

imagine if 1. ichigo’s swing was unhindered by aizen 2. he was trying all out 3. he swung is sword rapidly,multiple times, the way he did when fighting byakuya to rescue rukia and he cut every petal 4. used getsuga 5. used getsuga while saying getsuga (said how it makes it a lot stronger earlier on when he says it while doing it)

look at my post #183 page ten on the cero thrown by monster aizen to see how the left over power of the left over power of it was a nuclear explosion minus radiation.

I do not see dangai ichigo as god like. Goku is god like. goku vs ichigo is like chad vs an ant, except probably even worse than that. I’m not some obsessive bleach fan who thinks bleach is almighty, I have just looked at more of the details and compare not just two things against each other but a network of things against each other while taking into account all the details that people overlook. If anyone thinks that naruto is stronger than dangai ichigo after this explanation coupled with the cero explanation earlier you are blind or caught in a fantasy.

THIS THREAD WAS CREATED NOT TO DISCUSS DAINGAI ICHIGO, I KNOW THAT, SOMEONE BROUGHT IT UP THOUGH AND SO THINGS WNET A LITTLE OFF COURSE. WOULD THE CREATOR OF THIS THREAD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS TOPIC? IF SO PLEASE, STATE SO. WE ALL KNOW WHO THE CREATOR IS SO NO ACTING LIKE YOU ARE THE CREATOR IF YOU ARE NOT.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.



LOL!!! Then do me a favor (and since you seem to love caps) TELL ME HOW BIG THE MOUNTAIN THAT ICHIGO DESTROYED WAS!!. The fact that it was called a mountain DOES NOT CHANGE IT’S ACTUAL SIZE WHICH WAS ETCHED IN THE MANGA!!. Giving it a height of 500 meters would be too generous. In this case SIZE DOES MATER!!.

So you can say that it is a mountain for sure but that means nothing and what actually has validity is the height, width, and total volume of the mountain. In Britain the accepted height for the summit of a mountain is about 600 meters and clearly kubo’s etch does not even reach that height. While on the other hand, the mountains in Naruto are usually around 1,000 to 2,000 meters given there approximate height to the cloud line, which is about 6,000 meters. However this depends on the climate and colder climates have lower cloud lines of about 3,500 meters. So just take it from an average of about 4,700 for the cloud line. Not only are the norm Naruto mountains higher but also wider and have a much less stepper slope. There for they have a much greater volume because Volume = Length*Width*Height. These are Naruto mountains on a base norm (Note that this is NOT to scale and is simply a representation of comparable Volume) [img]http://volcans.blogs-de-voyage.fr/files/2013/02/Fuji-blog.gif[/img][img]http://i35.mangapanda.com/naruto/621/naruto-3930643.jpg[/img]

Were as Ichigo’s “mountain” destruction had much less volume and is comparable to a mere crag, a small one at that.(again this is NOT to scale) [img]http://images.summitpost.org/medium/8818.jpg[/img][img]http://i31.mangapanda.com/bleach/418/bleach-2399579.jpg[/img]

So the point is that in this case it does not matter at all if i’m not the writer because what he/she draws for us to see is the most important thing. Kubo says Mountain and I can easily say “Size of the smallest mountain in the world” Mount Wycheproof which only has an elevation of 43 meters. It is up to Kubo to draw out this “Mountain” and the AUTHOR DEPICTED IT AS A SMALL CRAG! Not my fault.

So once again in Destructive Capacity Naruto >> Any version of Ichigo.

ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword

I already explained that Size Maters but no that is no what happened and that’s obvious from the panel above (Why to people constantly rep this? Jesus Christ). Ichigo & Aizen’s swords made contact, Ichigo parried the attack, the force of the parry destroyed the “mountain”. Both of there swords face the “mountain” and that is the direction of the parry and there for the direction of the force. Simple. Not only that but I gave Ichigo the greater strength anyway so...straight and it still does Not change the fact that Naruto has much better Destructive Capacity and that his Bijuu Dama can interval from Mountain level to Island Level depending on the charge time. Plus you make way to many assumptions, almost to the point were you ignore the obvious fact that Ichigo, in any form, has never displayed Island Level destruction. That is a fact.

I don’t care if Aizen’s Fragor resembles a nuke, Naruot still dishes out more Destructive Capacity. Another fact simply because Aizen’s Fragor was not even Mountain level. Naruto can easily exceed that and from Aizens blast Ichigo suffered 2nd degree burns. Another Fact. So once agian by that logic Naruto can cause Dangai Ichigo wayyyyy more damage via bijuu dama.

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

So Like I said before

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

Nothing you said changed anything simply because I already gave him the edge in strength and all your Destructive Ability claims are all brash assumptions without even realizing that the Size of Objects matters. Not to mention the fact that he couldn’t even cut threw Aizen when he had the chance, there for proving that the generated force needed to destroy that “mountain” was from a parry and not a solo swing. It’s not just the possibility that Aizen could have taken the shock-wave, rather it is the fact that Ichigo never created the shock-wave in the first place.

So at the end of the day Naruto still wins.



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That is written to specifically tell us that it was Ichigo’s sword swing alone that destroyed the mountains, not a combination of them both.

then bleach has no logic buy by perception no matter how you cut it (no pun intended) those mountains can be consider the the size of the smallest mountains on earth which is 10x smaller than whats considered to be a small mountain meaning it wont kill naruto



I like using caps to highlight main points...main points you ignored

hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

next i invite you to talk about trees, why because trees in the two are around the same size... yay an established size similarity!!! Oh and I agree size does matter by the way. Now look at those cool pictures above of 1st hokage vs madara and ichigo vs aizen, then look at those amazing trees in both and if you compare them to the mountains.... look at that, bleach mountain was a little taller but the naruto one is a little wider. so about the size of the mountains... please stop it they are about the same with the naruto one’s only having slightly more volume because they are wider at the base
ok so i was wrong on the direction of aizen’s sword, sorry but still as shown above by a previous person that it was not the combined force but ichigo’s force that destroyed the mountain, and aizen didn’t really have anything to do with it, also said by ichigo in the manga “It wasn’t your sword that destroyed those mountains. It was mine”. and yes it was a shock wave as you seen later on another, however severely less powerful, when he gets his soul reaper powers back. also when going hollowV2 he made a shock wave by the swing of his sword. so there’s more on that in bleach swings create shock waves, so that was a shock wave.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.

next you say that the goku thing had nothing to with anything. again, read what im actually saying. i was saying how i did not think dangai ichigo was god like by using a comparison in response to YOU saying how you hated people like me who consider dangai ichigo as god like. so please take back the “mother fucker” that you called me and notice i have not cursed at you or at all this whole time.



hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

What the hell are you talking about? I never said that he didn’t cut him I said didn’t cut threw him meaning his entire body and provided no shock-wave in the process, there for backing up my last statement.

Tree’s...I see no tree’s around Aizen and Ichigo. I see bushes because NO FULLY GROWN TREE that I have ever seen is that short. Barely over Aizen and Ichigo themselves and the shrubs themselves are on a fucking slope. LOL!! A fucking slope for Christ sake. That’s a failed attempt at scaling because it’s obvious that the patched of tree’s around the Kyuubi are small forest. WHY?! because the Kyuubi is a creature that spans AT LEAST over 150 meters and Ichigo is barley 1.9 meters. So in actuality the “tree’s” in the Bleach panel, once again, help prove my point even further while the patches of forest on the Naruto panel enforce this notion. The fact that you just tired to compare shrubs with barely any height over humans to patches of forest that have always spanned the Naruto series, groups of fully grown trees, is mindblowing. You need a better sense of scaling.

Once again the Mountains in Naruto, normally, have MUCH greater Volume, Height, and width then whatever Ichigo destroyed. Also the fact that you said a “LITTLE” wider when Naruto mountains CLEARLY span several Km in width is INSANE!! Lord Almighty! The one on the Bleach panel is barley 600 meters in width. Smh dude.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out



Christ it DOES NOT MATTER!!!! FACT! Ichigo’s most destructive move EVER was Mugetsu! That is FACT and that Attack is Mountain Range Level. ONCE AGAIN! Naruto, depending on the charge time, can go from MOUNTAIN LEVEL to ISLAND LEVEL via Bijuu dama. ONCE AGAIN! This is BEYOND ANYTHING ICHIGO HAS EVER DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES!!! I already told you time and time and time and time again that all your claims are BRASH ASSUMPTIONS(not even a sense of power-scaling] and because you have such a HORRIBLE sense of scaling you assume that Dangai Ichigo can blown apart HUGE 1,500 to 2,000 meter mountains with one swing when he CLEARLY CAN’T TO THAT SINE HE COULD ONLY BLOW OFF HALF OF A “MOUNTAIN” that is BARELY 500 METERS!

And this again

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou



Facepalm “fuck me dude...fuck me!" Do you know how BIG an island is on average? Do you understand EXACTLY what your saying? We ALREADY have evidence of Ichigo’s STRONGEST ATTACK EVER, the MUGETSU, and not even THAT was Island Level. So your saying “But if he 'Swings' a few times he can destroy an ENTIRE ISLAND!" This is exactly why sooooooo many Bleach fans overrate the living hell out of Dangai Ichigo. Assumed, half ass, outlandish claims like this. Let me do you a favor and bring out some MATH logic,

(Assuming that you are right about the solo swing of Ichigo destroying that “mountain," even though there is a clear parry in the panel, Aizen has a back swing in the same direction AND there is evidence that goes AGAINST Ichigo being able to do that repeatedly since he did NOT produce the same effect when he cut Aizen)

Ichigo destroyed the top half of a “mountain” that was at most 500 meters (So we are HIGH Balling here). This means that Ichigo destroyed 250 meters of materiel since it is a simple 500 / 2 = 250. Now there are SKYSCRAPERS that have WAY more volume then what Ichigo destroyed like the Empire State Building, Willis Tower, Wilshire Grand Tower, One Bayfront Plaza, etc. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS?!. When you factor in the mass of the solid rock that the “mountain” is made out and it’s Volume, which is SMALLER then some of the tallest buildings in the United States, then you get about MULTI CITY BLOCK LEVEL SWINGS!! MULTI CITY BLOCK!! Fuck “mountain” Level Ichigo can’t even do that via one swing. So assuming that he can do these shock-waves repeatedly, even though there is evidence AGAINST this, he would need a continuous stream of DIRECTED swings (because of Total Force Ftotal = F1 + F2 + F3 + F4 + etc.) and preform this in a target location that is about the size of about 9km of SOLID BEDROCK and other materials. That’s some crazy shit but OF COURSE this has NEVER BEEN DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES! Which is why I keep on telling you OVER AND OVER AND OVER again that your assumptions for Ichigo’s Destructive Capacity are brash and absurd. We ALREADY HAVE HIS MAX and yet you continue to spout outlandish speculations. My word. Also stop with the, “Maybe his Dangai Getsuga Tensou...." I don’t give a fuck. Never used it there for I don’t give a fuck. And it still wouldn’t be even CLOSE to Mugetsu even if he could spam it, which AGAIN there is no evidence for.

Now your sixth paragraph...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.



WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT............WHAT?!!Mother Marry! Look at the panels below.

[img]http://i16.mangapanda.com/bleach/419/bleach-2399541.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i16.mangapanda.com/bleach/419/bleach-2399543.jpg[/img]

now YOU JUST SAID

cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power

Now let me ask you......where is the CONTACT?! O wait THERE IS NO CONTACT!! You had me going for a second but then I realized that what you JUST SAID was dead wrong. WHY?!?!?! Because you ASSUMED CONTACT BETWEEN ICHIGO AND AIZEN’S FRAGOR!! Once again assumptions left and right with you. Then you ASSUME that it’s would be mountain level (even though there is no substantial evidence to that at all) if your notions were correct. Your like the assumption king or something like that.

So let me clarify what we DO Know. We know that Ichigo DID NOT do that same thing that Yamamoto did when stopped Wonderwise or ANYTHING of that nature. There is NOTHING that support’s that in the panel’s above or in later panels. All we know is that Aizen fired his Fagor and it exploded. From the evidence above it explodes in MID AIR and Ichigo gets hurt by the heat of the explosion ITSELF!! That is ALL the top panels say. No contact made, no “Left Over” spirit energy, none of that. So all of what your just said was negated and it’s still NOT mountain level EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT simply because you COULD NEVER tell me the degree to which the explosion was nerfed. And even still Naruto can dish WAY MORE!

Never called you a mother fucker I said

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

You weren’t even the target. So yea......stop assuming. But you still haven’t proven anything at all and Naruto is still beating Dangai ichigo whether you like it or not; that is what the evidence point to.



First off two things
1. The thing about cutting aizen at the very beggining was not directed at you, I should have made that more clear.
2. Im glad to know you were not cursing at me like that there, I read it differently, in a way that sounded like u did, so sorry that I accused you of it.

For the cero I had you going because what i said was true. You said I assumed contact, but it did, it may not have been shown hitting, but did hit. Before u have the thought “that’s not true”, please continue reading. You said it exploded mid air and that the heat of the explosion caused ichigo to get hurt, but that’s impossible. If his arm got that hurt from the heat, then any of his skin within several yards would had the same thing happen too it, yet the rest of his arm, his chest, neck and face showed no signs of burns. All of those were in a foot of his arm, in fact before the cero he had his sleeve and all still intact. So ur saying that the heat burnt through all that and burnt his arm when his face had nothing on it yet it received no damage? That is completely impossible for it to not have been burnt too if the heat caused the burns. It even shows ichigo’s arm raised, it showing it raised is to tell us he blocked it with his arm, after all to block something comming at them people will raise their arm. So ichigo did block it with his arm and my cero explanation does hold true.

For the mugetsu thing, mugetsu is not a big area attack, it’s a straight line attack. It’s not supposed to destroy a large area. It’s just not that type of attack; it’s a focused attack that destroys whatever it hits. U saying how it’s not island level doesn’t matter in comparing it too something like the tailed beast bomb... Here’s why... Tailed beast bomb destroys bigger area than mugetsu, now a fireball destroys more than the reanimated riakage’s single finger lightning style jutsu right? But the riakage’s jutsu holds a lot more power. You can’t say just because something destroys more in manga and anime that it’s more powerful.

The island thing... You know that the smallest island is called bishop rock and is approximately 50 square meters. When I said island u thought of something a lot bigger. In response to this you might be thinking duh... When someone says island nobody thinks of a small island or the smallest island, they think of a island of a pretty good size. You know what I say to that.... That u would be completely right. People don’t think like that. I even tested it out today with two friends I was with and it proved this to be true. When I first read the bleach chapter where ichigo destroyed the mountain, I did not see it as a mountain until aizen said it was a mountain. I thought when I saw the picture of it that it was just some rock face besides them. After all that’s what it looks like at first glance and no other angle had been given to show other wise and I’m sure almost everyone else saw it the same way at first. But then ya realize that it looks so small because it’s far away. That’s obvious that being further away makes something look smaller. Now why do people keep saying the “stupid distance crap”. What about it is stupid? That if it’s true then naruto is weaker? What proof is there against it other than the picture which can not be used as proof against itself obviously. So now the word mountain being used has caused controversy. When a writer says something it impacts what a reader thinks, every writer knows that and chooses their words carefully. But kubo holds what a person says as VERY important as seen with gin saying sorry to rangiku, ichigo’s father when he was talking to Jon and didn’t say ichigo once(his dad always says ichigo pretty much announcing his presence often times when saying it), when aizen was saying the thing about what ichigo is the son of, and many other times as well. He uses his words as something very important. If some one say mountain.... What do people think.... If someone says island... What do people think.... Any one really think he’d say mountain if talking about something as small as most of you are saying? No way he would.

this is the same shit im talking about...I guess juubi blast was casual country buster seeing as the mountains around the blast was so small because they were farther away then percived straight get that horse shit outta here, author said it was mountain but gave no diameter/distance/height or anything so how the hell are you and your fan base going to argue something thats not even the in manga with no proof other than perception? And its percieved to be 10 feet away from them now yes I understand the optic allusion of things but this is not a solid case you can apply that logic to because if that was the case, kyuubi is casual city buster of cities the size of los angeles basing of that logic, just take it as it is, a hill and a small one at that



Did u read the rest of the post? And no, it’s not like that with perception errors, it only happens when there is one of view, yeah I know that was sarcasm, and why can’t it actually be further away, when looking from that angle it can look to be far away and close. What proof do u have against it? You can’t use a picture in which distance in which it can be either way as evidence against itself. Past that give me something that says its not othet than the only thing I’ve been hearing, which is the distance crap again. How is it crap if no one is giving anything to discount it and I have given something to support it? You can’t.

Now what about the rest of my post? Are you going to ignore that?

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Actually ichigo losses this thread, look at its original question.

The dangai ichgo part though... Yeah ichigo wins

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kajafamakalaka wrote:

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Mr.Breakdown wrote: Unfortunately current Naruto, from a combat standpoint, is better then any version of Ichigo.



Final getsuga ichigo in the fight against aizen... before going into the power where he had black hair he swung his sword and it took out a mountain, but it first had to go through aizen’s sword first each time thus reducing the power. The tailed best bomb of naruto’s, his strongest attack, takes out a mountain.... in what way in hell is naruto stronger than any version of ichigo?



Comparing the “Mountain” that Ichigo destroyed it the “Mountains” that Naruto can destroy is like comparing Night and Day. I don’t like scaling a “Hill” or a “Crag” to be a “Mountains," that’s just not my style. Not only that but Ichigo’s best feat EVER is a Mugetsu which is only Mountain Range Level and after that he loses all his powers. Naruto, on the other hand, can charge his Bijuu dama to a multi latitude of degrees and can range to the Island Level of destruction. That is beyond any version of Ichigo’s DC.

Naruto has way better Range, Abilities, and Intelligence. In Speed I would also give him the edge as well in Bijuu Mode simply because he has more established feats and Dangai Ichigo only has one speed feat were in which NO ONE knows how fast he was, and with the Kyuubi his Stamina is insane.

Durability I think Dangai gets the edge but probably not considering the fact that Monster Aizen’s Fragor gave him second degree burns on his left arm and that wasn’t even a mountain level attack. But Naruto can dish out SOOO much more power then Monster Aizen and that just a fact. And since Killer Bee was able to take his own Bijuu Dama to the face we can safely assume that Naruto could as well. This is also backed up by when both Bee and Him were in full Ox/Fox mode and they Blocked the Ten Tail’s Bijuu Bomb/Stream thing. So Naruto probably has the better Durability as well. Endurance I’m not really sure since Dangai Ichigo only did so much.

The only thing I can say for sure is that Dangai Ichigo has the greater Physical Strength and that’s it.

In a nut shell it’s

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

So fuck yes I say that Current Naruto is Stronger then any version of Ichigo. It’s just that people like you over rate Dangai Ichigo to the point were he’s almost Godly. That’s absurd.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.
I looked again, sorry, for a second a game mixed with my thoughts. Naruto’s power is shown to be to the amount of destroying about 3 mountains.... but that was his ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack
ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword without truly trying as it is possible to see that he was not through how he was shown fighting as opposed to how he has fought when trying. Also his sword had to knock Aizen’s sword out of the way as well. this made the sock wave that destroyed the MOUNTAIN less powerful than it would have been.
thus not truly trying swinging his sword with aizen’s sword making the shock wave less powerful ((((((!!!!!!one of the sword!!!!!!!)))))) 1 mountain
naruto ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack 3 mountains

imagine if 1. ichigo’s swing was unhindered by aizen 2. he was trying all out 3. he swung is sword rapidly,multiple times, the way he did when fighting byakuya to rescue rukia and he cut every petal 4. used getsuga 5. used getsuga while saying getsuga (said how it makes it a lot stronger earlier on when he says it while doing it)

look at my post #183 page ten on the cero thrown by monster aizen to see how the left over power of the left over power of it was a nuclear explosion minus radiation.

I do not see dangai ichigo as god like. Goku is god like. goku vs ichigo is like chad vs an ant, except probably even worse than that. I’m not some obsessive bleach fan who thinks bleach is almighty, I have just looked at more of the details and compare not just two things against each other but a network of things against each other while taking into account all the details that people overlook. If anyone thinks that naruto is stronger than dangai ichigo after this explanation coupled with the cero explanation earlier you are blind or caught in a fantasy.

THIS THREAD WAS CREATED NOT TO DISCUSS DAINGAI ICHIGO, I KNOW THAT, SOMEONE BROUGHT IT UP THOUGH AND SO THINGS WNET A LITTLE OFF COURSE. WOULD THE CREATOR OF THIS THREAD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS TOPIC? IF SO PLEASE, STATE SO. WE ALL KNOW WHO THE CREATOR IS SO NO ACTING LIKE YOU ARE THE CREATOR IF YOU ARE NOT.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.



LOL!!! Then do me a favor (and since you seem to love caps) TELL ME HOW BIG THE MOUNTAIN THAT ICHIGO DESTROYED WAS!!. The fact that it was called a mountain DOES NOT CHANGE IT’S ACTUAL SIZE WHICH WAS ETCHED IN THE MANGA!!. Giving it a height of 500 meters would be too generous. In this case SIZE DOES MATER!!.

So you can say that it is a mountain for sure but that means nothing and what actually has validity is the height, width, and total volume of the mountain. In Britain the accepted height for the summit of a mountain is about 600 meters and clearly kubo’s etch does not even reach that height. While on the other hand, the mountains in Naruto are usually around 1,000 to 2,000 meters given there approximate height to the cloud line, which is about 6,000 meters. However this depends on the climate and colder climates have lower cloud lines of about 3,500 meters. So just take it from an average of about 4,700 for the cloud line. Not only are the norm Naruto mountains higher but also wider and have a much less stepper slope. There for they have a much greater volume because Volume = Length*Width*Height. These are Naruto mountains on a base norm (Note that this is NOT to scale and is simply a representation of comparable Volume)

Were as Ichigo’s “mountain” destruction had much less volume and is comparable to a mere crag, a small one at that.(again this is NOT to scale)

So the point is that in this case it does not matter at all if i’m not the writer because what he/she draws for us to see is the most important thing. Kubo says Mountain and I can easily say “Size of the smallest mountain in the world” Mount Wycheproof which only has an elevation of 43 meters. It is up to Kubo to draw out this “Mountain” and the AUTHOR DEPICTED IT AS A SMALL CRAG! Not my fault.

So once again in Destructive Capacity Naruto >> Any version of Ichigo.

ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword

I already explained that Size Maters but no that is no what happened and that’s obvious from the panel above (Why to people constantly rep this? Jesus Christ). Ichigo & Aizen’s swords made contact, Ichigo parried the attack, the force of the parry destroyed the “mountain”. Both of there swords face the “mountain” and that is the direction of the parry and there for the direction of the force. Simple. Not only that but I gave Ichigo the greater strength anyway so...straight and it still does Not change the fact that Naruto has much better Destructive Capacity and that his Bijuu Dama can interval from Mountain level to Island Level depending on the charge time. Plus you make way to many assumptions, almost to the point were you ignore the obvious fact that Ichigo, in any form, has never displayed Island Level destruction. That is a fact.

I don’t care if Aizen’s Fragor resembles a nuke, Naruot still dishes out more Destructive Capacity. Another fact simply because Aizen’s Fragor was not even Mountain level. Naruto can easily exceed that and from Aizens blast Ichigo suffered 2nd degree burns. Another Fact. So once agian by that logic Naruto can cause Dangai Ichigo wayyyyy more damage via bijuu dama.

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

So Like I said before

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

Nothing you said changed anything simply because I already gave him the edge in strength and all your Destructive Ability claims are all brash assumptions without even realizing that the Size of Objects matters. Not to mention the fact that he couldn’t even cut threw Aizen when he had the chance, there for proving that the generated force needed to destroy that “mountain” was from a parry and not a solo swing. It’s not just the possibility that Aizen could have taken the shock-wave, rather it is the fact that Ichigo never created the shock-wave in the first place.

So at the end of the day Naruto still wins.







That is written to specifically tell us that it was Ichigo’s sword swing alone that destroyed the mountains, not a combination of them both.

then bleach has no logic buy by perception no matter how you cut it (no pun intended) those mountains can be consider the the size of the smallest mountains on earth which is 10x smaller than whats considered to be a small mountain meaning it wont kill naruto



I like using caps to highlight main points...main points you ignored

hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

next i invite you to talk about trees, why because trees in the two are around the same size... yay an established size similarity!!! Oh and I agree size does matter by the way. Now look at those cool pictures above of 1st hokage vs madara and ichigo vs aizen, then look at those amazing trees in both and if you compare them to the mountains.... look at that, bleach mountain was a little taller but the naruto one is a little wider. so about the size of the mountains... please stop it they are about the same with the naruto one’s only having slightly more volume because they are wider at the base
ok so i was wrong on the direction of aizen’s sword, sorry but still as shown above by a previous person that it was not the combined force but ichigo’s force that destroyed the mountain, and aizen didn’t really have anything to do with it, also said by ichigo in the manga “It wasn’t your sword that destroyed those mountains. It was mine”. and yes it was a shock wave as you seen later on another, however severely less powerful, when he gets his soul reaper powers back. also when going hollowV2 he made a shock wave by the swing of his sword. so there’s more on that in bleach swings create shock waves, so that was a shock wave.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.

next you say that the goku thing had nothing to with anything. again, read what im actually saying. i was saying how i did not think dangai ichigo was god like by using a comparison in response to YOU saying how you hated people like me who consider dangai ichigo as god like. so please take back the “mother fucker” that you called me and notice i have not cursed at you or at all this whole time.



hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

What the hell are you talking about? I never said that he didn’t cut him I said didn’t cut threw him meaning his entire body and provided no shock-wave in the process, there for backing up my last statement.

Tree’s...I see no tree’s around Aizen and Ichigo. I see bushes because NO FULLY GROWN TREE that I have ever seen is that short. Barely over Aizen and Ichigo themselves and the shrubs themselves are on a fucking slope. LOL!! A fucking slope for Christ sake. That’s a failed attempt at scaling because it’s obvious that the patched of tree’s around the Kyuubi are small forest. WHY?! because the Kyuubi is a creature that spans AT LEAST over 150 meters and Ichigo is barley 1.9 meters. So in actuality the “tree’s” in the Bleach panel, once again, help prove my point even further while the patches of forest on the Naruto panel enforce this notion. The fact that you just tired to compare shrubs with barely any height over humans to patches of forest that have always spanned the Naruto series, groups of fully grown trees, is mindblowing. You need a better sense of scaling.

Once again the Mountains in Naruto, normally, have MUCH greater Volume, Height, and width then whatever Ichigo destroyed. Also the fact that you said a “LITTLE” wider when Naruto mountains CLEARLY span several Km in width is INSANE!! Lord Almighty! The one on the Bleach panel is barley 600 meters in width. Smh dude.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out



Christ it DOES NOT MATTER!!!! FACT! Ichigo’s most destructive move EVER was Mugetsu! That is FACT and that Attack is Mountain Range Level. ONCE AGAIN! Naruto, depending on the charge time, can go from MOUNTAIN LEVEL to ISLAND LEVEL via Bijuu dama. ONCE AGAIN! This is BEYOND ANYTHING ICHIGO HAS EVER DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES!!! I already told you time and time and time and time again that all your claims are BRASH ASSUMPTIONS(not even a sense of power-scaling] and because you have such a HORRIBLE sense of scaling you assume that Dangai Ichigo can blown apart HUGE 1,500 to 2,000 meter mountains with one swing when he CLEARLY CAN’T TO THAT SINE HE COULD ONLY BLOW OFF HALF OF A “MOUNTAIN” that is BARELY 500 METERS!

And this again

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou



Facepalm “fuck me dude...fuck me!" Do you know how BIG an island is on average? Do you understand EXACTLY what your saying? We ALREADY have evidence of Ichigo’s STRONGEST ATTACK EVER, the MUGETSU, and not even THAT was Island Level. So your saying “But if he 'Swings' a few times he can destroy an ENTIRE ISLAND!" This is exactly why sooooooo many Bleach fans overrate the living hell out of Dangai Ichigo. Assumed, half ass, outlandish claims like this. Let me do you a favor and bring out some MATH logic,

(Assuming that you are right about the solo swing of Ichigo destroying that “mountain," even though there is a clear parry in the panel, Aizen has a back swing in the same direction AND there is evidence that goes AGAINST Ichigo being able to do that repeatedly since he did NOT produce the same effect when he cut Aizen)

Ichigo destroyed the top half of a “mountain” that was at most 500 meters (So we are HIGH Balling here). This means that Ichigo destroyed 250 meters of materiel since it is a simple 500 / 2 = 250. Now there are SKYSCRAPERS that have WAY more volume then what Ichigo destroyed like the Empire State Building, Willis Tower, Wilshire Grand Tower, One Bayfront Plaza, etc. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS?!. When you factor in the mass of the solid rock that the “mountain” is made out and it’s Volume, which is SMALLER then some of the tallest buildings in the United States, then you get about MULTI CITY BLOCK LEVEL SWINGS!! MULTI CITY BLOCK!! Fuck “mountain” Level Ichigo can’t even do that via one swing. So assuming that he can do these shock-waves repeatedly, even though there is evidence AGAINST this, he would need a continuous stream of DIRECTED swings (because of Total Force Ftotal = F1 + F2 + F3 + F4 + etc.) and preform this in a target location that is about the size of about 9km of SOLID BEDROCK and other materials. That’s some crazy shit but OF COURSE this has NEVER BEEN DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES! Which is why I keep on telling you OVER AND OVER AND OVER again that your assumptions for Ichigo’s Destructive Capacity are brash and absurd. We ALREADY HAVE HIS MAX and yet you continue to spout outlandish speculations. My word. Also stop with the, “Maybe his Dangai Getsuga Tensou...." I don’t give a fuck. Never used it there for I don’t give a fuck. And it still wouldn’t be even CLOSE to Mugetsu even if he could spam it, which AGAIN there is no evidence for.

Now your sixth paragraph...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.



WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT............WHAT?!!Mother Marry! Look at the panels below.




now YOU JUST SAID

cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power

Now let me ask you......where is the CONTACT?! O wait THERE IS NO CONTACT!! You had me going for a second but then I realized that what you JUST SAID was dead wrong. WHY?!?!?! Because you ASSUMED CONTACT BETWEEN ICHIGO AND AIZEN’S FRAGOR!! Once again assumptions left and right with you. Then you ASSUME that it’s would be mountain level (even though there is no substantial evidence to that at all) if your notions were correct. Your like the assumption king or something like that.

So let me clarify what we DO Know. We know that Ichigo DID NOT do that same thing that Yamamoto did when stopped Wonderwise or ANYTHING of that nature. There is NOTHING that support’s that in the panel’s above or in later panels. All we know is that Aizen fired his Fagor and it exploded. From the evidence above it explodes in MID AIR and Ichigo gets hurt by the heat of the explosion ITSELF!! That is ALL the top panels say. No contact made, no “Left Over” spirit energy, none of that. So all of what your just said was negated and it’s still NOT mountain level EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT simply because you COULD NEVER tell me the degree to which the explosion was nerfed. And even still Naruto can dish WAY MORE!

Never called you a mother fucker I said

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

You weren’t even the target. So yea......stop assuming. But you still haven’t proven anything at all and Naruto is still beating Dangai ichigo whether you like it or not; that is what the evidence point to.



First off two things
1. The thing about cutting aizen at the very beggining was not directed at you, I should have made that more clear.
2. Im glad to know you were not cursing at me like that there, I read it differently, in a way that sounded like u did, so sorry that I accused you of it.

For the cero I had you going because what i said was true. You said I assumed contact, but it did, it may not have been shown hitting, but did hit. Before u have the thought “that’s not true”, please continue reading. You said it exploded mid air and that the heat of the explosion caused ichigo to get hurt, but that’s impossible. If his arm got that hurt from the heat, then any of his skin within several yards would had the same thing happen too it, yet the rest of his arm, his chest, neck and face showed no signs of burns. All of those were in a foot of his arm, in fact before the cero he had his sleeve and all still intact. So ur saying that the heat burnt through all that and burnt his arm when his face had nothing on it yet it received no damage? That is completely impossible for it to not have been burnt too if the heat caused the burns. It even shows ichigo’s arm raised, it showing it raised is to tell us he blocked it with his arm, after all to block something comming at them people will raise their arm. So ichigo did block it with his arm and my cero explanation does hold true.

For the mugetsu thing, mugetsu is not a big area attack, it’s a straight line attack. It’s not supposed to destroy a large area. It’s just not that type of attack; it’s a focused attack that destroys whatever it hits. U saying how it’s not island level doesn’t matter in comparing it too something like the tailed beast bomb... Here’s why... Tailed beast bomb destroys bigger area than mugetsu, now a fireball destroys more than the reanimated riakage’s single finger lightning style jutsu right? But the riakage’s jutsu holds a lot more power. You can’t say just because something destroys more in manga and anime that it’s more powerful.

The island thing... You know that the smallest island is called bishop rock and is approximately 50 square meters. When I said island u thought of something a lot bigger. In response to this you might be thinking duh... When someone says island nobody thinks of a small island or the smallest island, they think of a island of a pretty good size. You know what I say to that.... That u would be completely right. People don’t think like that. I even tested it out today with two friends I was with and it proved this to be true. When I first read the bleach chapter where ichigo destroyed the mountain, I did not see it as a mountain until aizen said it was a mountain. I thought when I saw the picture of it that it was just some rock face besides them. After all that’s what it looks like at first glance and no other angle had been given to show other wise and I’m sure almost everyone else saw it the same way at first. But then ya realize that it looks so small because it’s far away. That’s obvious that being further away makes something look smaller. Now why do people keep saying the “stupid distance crap”. What about it is stupid? That if it’s true then naruto is weaker? What proof is there against it other than the picture which can not be used as proof against itself obviously. So now the word mountain being used has caused controversy. When a writer says something it impacts what a reader thinks, every writer knows that and chooses their words carefully. But kubo holds what a person says as VERY important as seen with gin saying sorry to rangiku, ichigo’s father when he was talking to Jon and didn’t say ichigo once(his dad always says ichigo pretty much announcing his presence often times when saying it), when aizen was saying the thing about what ichigo is the son of, and many other times as well. He uses his words as something very important. If some one say mountain.... What do people think.... If someone says island... What do people think.... Any one really think he’d say mountain if talking about something as small as most of you are saying? No way he would.





Part 1

Once again NO on your Fragor claims; all accounts. Yet again what your saying is an assumption and all your justification is that “Well he has the burns on his arms and not anywhere else." All that means is that the left side of his body took the brunt of Aizens Fragor. It does NOT mean direct contact between the attack and his own body. Also, once again, because of the FACT that Tite Kubo did not emphasize ANY contact between the Fragor and Ichigo’s Body on the panel’s above, my deduction is automatically correct. I could also reference this to the Anime which showed NO contact at when that scene occurred. Does not matter if the Anime is secondary cannon because it is more evidence in my favor due to the FACT that anime’s are representations of the manga series in motion. So you can sit there and keep on saying that contact was made but all the evidence shows is that the left side of his body took the brunt of Aizen’s attack. That is all, nothing more and nothing less. However, I will give you credit because you do seem to be knowledgeable in the material at hand.

Let’s assume that you are right for arguments sake. Let’s assume that Aizen’s Fragor did make contact with Ichigo’s arm and lets assume that the

cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power

(even though Ichigo has NEVER showed the ability to “Take” away the power from an attack, unless you mean reduce it’s overall DC). Were in the HELL are you getting Mountain level for that attack? This is the Biggest Problem with your own theory because Even if you were right in saying that Ichigo took away some of the Fragor’s power, you could NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH POWER ICHIGO TOOK FROM THE ATTACK ITSELF! Meaning that Ichigo could have taken 70% of the attack, 50%, 40%; you could never know. All that means is Town Level+ for Aizen’s Fragor. That’s it. You just can’t jump him up to Mountain level because it’s explosion was mitigated. That’s nuts. Even your own assumptions have dire flaws. What’s up with that?

Part 2

Look, there is nothing to claim that Mugetsu is more powerful than a Bijuu dama. None. Destructive Capacity is simply how much one can and has destroyed in there respective series. THAT’S IT! So you talking about Mugetsu’s Power, an attack that can easily be sidestepped & forces Ichigo to lose all his powers, is irrelevant. Also, if your getting the idea that somehow Mugetsu can, for example, cut threw a Bijuu Dama I suggest you stop believing. All we know about Mugetsu is that it’s a swing and it can cut threw Monster Aizen & an unknown depth of Earth/Rock/Soil. That’s it. So If that assumption is in your head then keep it in your head. That is my “recommendation."

Part 3

What your saying about the mountains and the Islands in this paragraph is all pointless. Why? Because I said

Do you know how BIG an island is on average?

Let me re-post that quote in case you didn’t catch it the first time. I said

Do you know how BIG an island is on average?

So your thoughts about the smallest Islands are irrelevant because on average Islands are NOT 50 meters. Also, it still does not change the FACT that Ichigo’s “mountain” destruction is nowhere even close to what Naruto can do destructive wise. Not only that But Island Level is being able to destroy layers upon layers of material in total volume(Rock, Stone, Bedrock etc)that spans at least a few km, roughly around 6km-10km is the starting line, and Ichigo can’t do that simply because he has never shown the ability to do so even with power-scaling. As I keep on telling you.

It’s funny because at the end of the day Naruto has the appropriate feats to back up his claim and Ichigo does not. All you can do for him is make insane power scales and assumptions. Nothing more and nothing less. That’s like me saying “Naruto is Country Level If he charges his Bijuu Dama for 5 mins straight." But i’m not saying that and God thank you i’m not.

So once again Naruto over any version of Ichigo and that is how it will ALWAYS be until Ichigo powers up or something like that. And seriously start to rely more on the content at had rather then make assumptions. In other words “Feats”


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Mr.Breakdown wrote: Unfortunately current Naruto, from a combat standpoint, is better then any version of Ichigo.



Final getsuga ichigo in the fight against aizen... before going into the power where he had black hair he swung his sword and it took out a mountain, but it first had to go through aizen’s sword first each time thus reducing the power. The tailed best bomb of naruto’s, his strongest attack, takes out a mountain.... in what way in hell is naruto stronger than any version of ichigo?



Comparing the “Mountain” that Ichigo destroyed it the “Mountains” that Naruto can destroy is like comparing Night and Day. I don’t like scaling a “Hill” or a “Crag” to be a “Mountains," that’s just not my style. Not only that but Ichigo’s best feat EVER is a Mugetsu which is only Mountain Range Level and after that he loses all his powers. Naruto, on the other hand, can charge his Bijuu dama to a multi latitude of degrees and can range to the Island Level of destruction. That is beyond any version of Ichigo’s DC.

Naruto has way better Range, Abilities, and Intelligence. In Speed I would also give him the edge as well in Bijuu Mode simply because he has more established feats and Dangai Ichigo only has one speed feat were in which NO ONE knows how fast he was, and with the Kyuubi his Stamina is insane.

Durability I think Dangai gets the edge but probably not considering the fact that Monster Aizen’s Fragor gave him second degree burns on his left arm and that wasn’t even a mountain level attack. But Naruto can dish out SOOO much more power then Monster Aizen and that just a fact. And since Killer Bee was able to take his own Bijuu Dama to the face we can safely assume that Naruto could as well. This is also backed up by when both Bee and Him were in full Ox/Fox mode and they Blocked the Ten Tail’s Bijuu Bomb/Stream thing. So Naruto probably has the better Durability as well. Endurance I’m not really sure since Dangai Ichigo only did so much.

The only thing I can say for sure is that Dangai Ichigo has the greater Physical Strength and that’s it.

In a nut shell it’s

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

So fuck yes I say that Current Naruto is Stronger then any version of Ichigo. It’s just that people like you over rate Dangai Ichigo to the point were he’s almost Godly. That’s absurd.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.
I looked again, sorry, for a second a game mixed with my thoughts. Naruto’s power is shown to be to the amount of destroying about 3 mountains.... but that was his ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack
ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword without truly trying as it is possible to see that he was not through how he was shown fighting as opposed to how he has fought when trying. Also his sword had to knock Aizen’s sword out of the way as well. this made the sock wave that destroyed the MOUNTAIN less powerful than it would have been.
thus not truly trying swinging his sword with aizen’s sword making the shock wave less powerful ((((((!!!!!!one of the sword!!!!!!!)))))) 1 mountain
naruto ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack 3 mountains

imagine if 1. ichigo’s swing was unhindered by aizen 2. he was trying all out 3. he swung is sword rapidly,multiple times, the way he did when fighting byakuya to rescue rukia and he cut every petal 4. used getsuga 5. used getsuga while saying getsuga (said how it makes it a lot stronger earlier on when he says it while doing it)

look at my post #183 page ten on the cero thrown by monster aizen to see how the left over power of the left over power of it was a nuclear explosion minus radiation.

I do not see dangai ichigo as god like. Goku is god like. goku vs ichigo is like chad vs an ant, except probably even worse than that. I’m not some obsessive bleach fan who thinks bleach is almighty, I have just looked at more of the details and compare not just two things against each other but a network of things against each other while taking into account all the details that people overlook. If anyone thinks that naruto is stronger than dangai ichigo after this explanation coupled with the cero explanation earlier you are blind or caught in a fantasy.

THIS THREAD WAS CREATED NOT TO DISCUSS DAINGAI ICHIGO, I KNOW THAT, SOMEONE BROUGHT IT UP THOUGH AND SO THINGS WNET A LITTLE OFF COURSE. WOULD THE CREATOR OF THIS THREAD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS TOPIC? IF SO PLEASE, STATE SO. WE ALL KNOW WHO THE CREATOR IS SO NO ACTING LIKE YOU ARE THE CREATOR IF YOU ARE NOT.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.



LOL!!! Then do me a favor (and since you seem to love caps) TELL ME HOW BIG THE MOUNTAIN THAT ICHIGO DESTROYED WAS!!. The fact that it was called a mountain DOES NOT CHANGE IT’S ACTUAL SIZE WHICH WAS ETCHED IN THE MANGA!!. Giving it a height of 500 meters would be too generous. In this case SIZE DOES MATER!!.

So you can say that it is a mountain for sure but that means nothing and what actually has validity is the height, width, and total volume of the mountain. In Britain the accepted height for the summit of a mountain is about 600 meters and clearly kubo’s etch does not even reach that height. While on the other hand, the mountains in Naruto are usually around 1,000 to 2,000 meters given there approximate height to the cloud line, which is about 6,000 meters. However this depends on the climate and colder climates have lower cloud lines of about 3,500 meters. So just take it from an average of about 4,700 for the cloud line. Not only are the norm Naruto mountains higher but also wider and have a much less stepper slope. There for they have a much greater volume because Volume = Length*Width*Height. These are Naruto mountains on a base norm (Note that this is NOT to scale and is simply a representation of comparable Volume) [img]http://volcans.blogs-de-voyage.fr/files/2013/02/Fuji-blog.gif[/img][img]http://i35.mangapanda.com/naruto/621/naruto-3930643.jpg[/img]

Were as Ichigo’s “mountain” destruction had much less volume and is comparable to a mere crag, a small one at that.(again this is NOT to scale) [img]http://images.summitpost.org/medium/8818.jpg[/img][img]http://i31.mangapanda.com/bleach/418/bleach-2399579.jpg[/img]

So the point is that in this case it does not matter at all if i’m not the writer because what he/she draws for us to see is the most important thing. Kubo says Mountain and I can easily say “Size of the smallest mountain in the world” Mount Wycheproof which only has an elevation of 43 meters. It is up to Kubo to draw out this “Mountain” and the AUTHOR DEPICTED IT AS A SMALL CRAG! Not my fault.

So once again in Destructive Capacity Naruto >> Any version of Ichigo.

ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword

I already explained that Size Maters but no that is no what happened and that’s obvious from the panel above (Why to people constantly rep this? Jesus Christ). Ichigo & Aizen’s swords made contact, Ichigo parried the attack, the force of the parry destroyed the “mountain”. Both of there swords face the “mountain” and that is the direction of the parry and there for the direction of the force. Simple. Not only that but I gave Ichigo the greater strength anyway so...straight and it still does Not change the fact that Naruto has much better Destructive Capacity and that his Bijuu Dama can interval from Mountain level to Island Level depending on the charge time. Plus you make way to many assumptions, almost to the point were you ignore the obvious fact that Ichigo, in any form, has never displayed Island Level destruction. That is a fact.

I don’t care if Aizen’s Fragor resembles a nuke, Naruot still dishes out more Destructive Capacity. Another fact simply because Aizen’s Fragor was not even Mountain level. Naruto can easily exceed that and from Aizens blast Ichigo suffered 2nd degree burns. Another Fact. So once agian by that logic Naruto can cause Dangai Ichigo wayyyyy more damage via bijuu dama.

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

So Like I said before

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

Nothing you said changed anything simply because I already gave him the edge in strength and all your Destructive Ability claims are all brash assumptions without even realizing that the Size of Objects matters. Not to mention the fact that he couldn’t even cut threw Aizen when he had the chance, there for proving that the generated force needed to destroy that “mountain” was from a parry and not a solo swing. It’s not just the possibility that Aizen could have taken the shock-wave, rather it is the fact that Ichigo never created the shock-wave in the first place.

So at the end of the day Naruto still wins.



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That is written to specifically tell us that it was Ichigo’s sword swing alone that destroyed the mountains, not a combination of them both.

then bleach has no logic buy by perception no matter how you cut it (no pun intended) those mountains can be consider the the size of the smallest mountains on earth which is 10x smaller than whats considered to be a small mountain meaning it wont kill naruto



I like using caps to highlight main points...main points you ignored

hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

next i invite you to talk about trees, why because trees in the two are around the same size... yay an established size similarity!!! Oh and I agree size does matter by the way. Now look at those cool pictures above of 1st hokage vs madara and ichigo vs aizen, then look at those amazing trees in both and if you compare them to the mountains.... look at that, bleach mountain was a little taller but the naruto one is a little wider. so about the size of the mountains... please stop it they are about the same with the naruto one’s only having slightly more volume because they are wider at the base
ok so i was wrong on the direction of aizen’s sword, sorry but still as shown above by a previous person that it was not the combined force but ichigo’s force that destroyed the mountain, and aizen didn’t really have anything to do with it, also said by ichigo in the manga “It wasn’t your sword that destroyed those mountains. It was mine”. and yes it was a shock wave as you seen later on another, however severely less powerful, when he gets his soul reaper powers back. also when going hollowV2 he made a shock wave by the swing of his sword. so there’s more on that in bleach swings create shock waves, so that was a shock wave.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.

next you say that the goku thing had nothing to with anything. again, read what im actually saying. i was saying how i did not think dangai ichigo was god like by using a comparison in response to YOU saying how you hated people like me who consider dangai ichigo as god like. so please take back the “mother fucker” that you called me and notice i have not cursed at you or at all this whole time.



hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

What the hell are you talking about? I never said that he didn’t cut him I said didn’t cut threw him meaning his entire body and provided no shock-wave in the process, there for backing up my last statement.

Tree’s...I see no tree’s around Aizen and Ichigo. I see bushes because NO FULLY GROWN TREE that I have ever seen is that short. Barely over Aizen and Ichigo themselves and the shrubs themselves are on a fucking slope. LOL!! A fucking slope for Christ sake. That’s a failed attempt at scaling because it’s obvious that the patched of tree’s around the Kyuubi are small forest. WHY?! because the Kyuubi is a creature that spans AT LEAST over 150 meters and Ichigo is barley 1.9 meters. So in actuality the “tree’s” in the Bleach panel, once again, help prove my point even further while the patches of forest on the Naruto panel enforce this notion. The fact that you just tired to compare shrubs with barely any height over humans to patches of forest that have always spanned the Naruto series, groups of fully grown trees, is mindblowing. You need a better sense of scaling.

Once again the Mountains in Naruto, normally, have MUCH greater Volume, Height, and width then whatever Ichigo destroyed. Also the fact that you said a “LITTLE” wider when Naruto mountains CLEARLY span several Km in width is INSANE!! Lord Almighty! The one on the Bleach panel is barley 600 meters in width. Smh dude.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out



Christ it DOES NOT MATTER!!!! FACT! Ichigo’s most destructive move EVER was Mugetsu! That is FACT and that Attack is Mountain Range Level. ONCE AGAIN! Naruto, depending on the charge time, can go from MOUNTAIN LEVEL to ISLAND LEVEL via Bijuu dama. ONCE AGAIN! This is BEYOND ANYTHING ICHIGO HAS EVER DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES!!! I already told you time and time and time and time again that all your claims are BRASH ASSUMPTIONS(not even a sense of power-scaling] and because you have such a HORRIBLE sense of scaling you assume that Dangai Ichigo can blown apart HUGE 1,500 to 2,000 meter mountains with one swing when he CLEARLY CAN’T TO THAT SINE HE COULD ONLY BLOW OFF HALF OF A “MOUNTAIN” that is BARELY 500 METERS!

And this again

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou



Facepalm “fuck me dude...fuck me!" Do you know how BIG an island is on average? Do you understand EXACTLY what your saying? We ALREADY have evidence of Ichigo’s STRONGEST ATTACK EVER, the MUGETSU, and not even THAT was Island Level. So your saying “But if he 'Swings' a few times he can destroy an ENTIRE ISLAND!" This is exactly why sooooooo many Bleach fans overrate the living hell out of Dangai Ichigo. Assumed, half ass, outlandish claims like this. Let me do you a favor and bring out some MATH logic,

(Assuming that you are right about the solo swing of Ichigo destroying that “mountain," even though there is a clear parry in the panel, Aizen has a back swing in the same direction AND there is evidence that goes AGAINST Ichigo being able to do that repeatedly since he did NOT produce the same effect when he cut Aizen)

Ichigo destroyed the top half of a “mountain” that was at most 500 meters (So we are HIGH Balling here). This means that Ichigo destroyed 250 meters of materiel since it is a simple 500 / 2 = 250. Now there are SKYSCRAPERS that have WAY more volume then what Ichigo destroyed like the Empire State Building, Willis Tower, Wilshire Grand Tower, One Bayfront Plaza, etc. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS?!. When you factor in the mass of the solid rock that the “mountain” is made out and it’s Volume, which is SMALLER then some of the tallest buildings in the United States, then you get about MULTI CITY BLOCK LEVEL SWINGS!! MULTI CITY BLOCK!! Fuck “mountain” Level Ichigo can’t even do that via one swing. So assuming that he can do these shock-waves repeatedly, even though there is evidence AGAINST this, he would need a continuous stream of DIRECTED swings (because of Total Force Ftotal = F1 + F2 + F3 + F4 + etc.) and preform this in a target location that is about the size of about 9km of SOLID BEDROCK and other materials. That’s some crazy shit but OF COURSE this has NEVER BEEN DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES! Which is why I keep on telling you OVER AND OVER AND OVER again that your assumptions for Ichigo’s Destructive Capacity are brash and absurd. We ALREADY HAVE HIS MAX and yet you continue to spout outlandish speculations. My word. Also stop with the, “Maybe his Dangai Getsuga Tensou...." I don’t give a fuck. Never used it there for I don’t give a fuck. And it still wouldn’t be even CLOSE to Mugetsu even if he could spam it, which AGAIN there is no evidence for.

Now your sixth paragraph...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.



WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT............WHAT?!!Mother Marry! Look at the panels below.

[img]http://i16.mangapanda.com/bleach/419/bleach-2399541.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i16.mangapanda.com/bleach/419/bleach-2399543.jpg[/img]

now YOU JUST SAID

cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power

Now let me ask you......where is the CONTACT?! O wait THERE IS NO CONTACT!! You had me going for a second but then I realized that what you JUST SAID was dead wrong. WHY?!?!?! Because you ASSUMED CONTACT BETWEEN ICHIGO AND AIZEN’S FRAGOR!! Once again assumptions left and right with you. Then you ASSUME that it’s would be mountain level (even though there is no substantial evidence to that at all) if your notions were correct. Your like the assumption king or something like that.

So let me clarify what we DO Know. We know that Ichigo DID NOT do that same thing that Yamamoto did when stopped Wonderwise or ANYTHING of that nature. There is NOTHING that support’s that in the panel’s above or in later panels. All we know is that Aizen fired his Fagor and it exploded. From the evidence above it explodes in MID AIR and Ichigo gets hurt by the heat of the explosion ITSELF!! That is ALL the top panels say. No contact made, no “Left Over” spirit energy, none of that. So all of what your just said was negated and it’s still NOT mountain level EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT simply because you COULD NEVER tell me the degree to which the explosion was nerfed. And even still Naruto can dish WAY MORE!

Never called you a mother fucker I said

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

You weren’t even the target. So yea......stop assuming. But you still haven’t proven anything at all and Naruto is still beating Dangai ichigo whether you like it or not; that is what the evidence point to.



First off two things
1. The thing about cutting aizen at the very beggining was not directed at you, I should have made that more clear.
2. Im glad to know you were not cursing at me like that there, I read it differently, in a way that sounded like u did, so sorry that I accused you of it.

For the cero I had you going because what i said was true. You said I assumed contact, but it did, it may not have been shown hitting, but did hit. Before u have the thought “that’s not true”, please continue reading. You said it exploded mid air and that the heat of the explosion caused ichigo to get hurt, but that’s impossible. If his arm got that hurt from the heat, then any of his skin within several yards would had the same thing happen too it, yet the rest of his arm, his chest, neck and face showed no signs of burns. All of those were in a foot of his arm, in fact before the cero he had his sleeve and all still intact. So ur saying that the heat burnt through all that and burnt his arm when his face had nothing on it yet it received no damage? That is completely impossible for it to not have been burnt too if the heat caused the burns. It even shows ichigo’s arm raised, it showing it raised is to tell us he blocked it with his arm, after all to block something comming at them people will raise their arm. So ichigo did block it with his arm and my cero explanation does hold true.

For the mugetsu thing, mugetsu is not a big area attack, it’s a straight line attack. It’s not supposed to destroy a large area. It’s just not that type of attack; it’s a focused attack that destroys whatever it hits. U saying how it’s not island level doesn’t matter in comparing it too something like the tailed beast bomb... Here’s why... Tailed beast bomb destroys bigger area than mugetsu, now a fireball destroys more than the reanimated riakage’s single finger lightning style jutsu right? But the riakage’s jutsu holds a lot more power. You can’t say just because something destroys more in manga and anime that it’s more powerful.

The island thing... You know that the smallest island is called bishop rock and is approximately 50 square meters. When I said island u thought of something a lot bigger. In response to this you might be thinking duh... When someone says island nobody thinks of a small island or the smallest island, they think of a island of a pretty good size. You know what I say to that.... That u would be completely right. People don’t think like that. I even tested it out today with two friends I was with and it proved this to be true. When I first read the bleach chapter where ichigo destroyed the mountain, I did not see it as a mountain until aizen said it was a mountain. I thought when I saw the picture of it that it was just some rock face besides them. After all that’s what it looks like at first glance and no other angle had been given to show other wise and I’m sure almost everyone else saw it the same way at first. But then ya realize that it looks so small because it’s far away. That’s obvious that being further away makes something look smaller. Now why do people keep saying the “stupid distance crap”. What about it is stupid? That if it’s true then naruto is weaker? What proof is there against it other than the picture which can not be used as proof against itself obviously. So now the word mountain being used has caused controversy. When a writer says something it impacts what a reader thinks, every writer knows that and chooses their words carefully. But kubo holds what a person says as VERY important as seen with gin saying sorry to rangiku, ichigo’s father when he was talking to Jon and didn’t say ichigo once(his dad always says ichigo pretty much announcing his presence often times when saying it), when aizen was saying the thing about what ichigo is the son of, and many other times as well. He uses his words as something very important. If some one say mountain.... What do people think.... If someone says island... What do people think.... Any one really think he’d say mountain if talking about something as small as most of you are saying? No way he would.





Part 1

Once again NO on your Fragor claims; all accounts. Yet again what your saying is an assumption and all your justification is that “Well he has the burns on his arms and not anywhere else." All that means is that the left side of his body took the brunt of Aizens Fragor. It does NOT mean direct contact between the attack and his own body. Also, once again, because of the FACT that Tite Kubo did not emphasize ANY contact between the Fragor and Ichigo’s Body on the panel’s above, my deduction is automatically correct. I could also reference this to the Anime which showed NO contact at when that scene occurred. Does not matter if the Anime is secondary cannon because it is more evidence in my favor due to the FACT that anime’s are representations of the manga series in motion. So you can sit there and keep on saying that contact was made but all the evidence shows is that the left side of his body took the brunt of Aizen’s attack. That is all, nothing more and nothing less. However, I will give you credit because you do seem to be knowledgeable in the material at hand.

Let’s assume that you are right for arguments sake. Let’s assume that Aizen’s Fragor did make contact with Ichigo’s arm and lets assume that the

cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power

(even though Ichigo has NEVER showed the ability to “Take” away the power from an attack, unless you mean reduce it’s overall DC). Were in the HELL are you getting Mountain level for that attack? This is the Biggest Problem with your own theory because Even if you were right in saying that Ichigo took away some of the Fragor’s power, you could NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH POWER ICHIGO TOOK FROM THE ATTACK ITSELF! Meaning that Ichigo could have taken 70% of the attack, 50%, 40%; you could never know. All that means is Town Level+ for Aizen’s Fragor. That’s it. You just can’t jump him up to Mountain level because it’s explosion was mitigated. That’s nuts. Even your own assumptions have dire flaws. What’s up with that?

Part 2

Look, there is nothing to claim that Mugetsu is more powerful than a Bijuu dama. None. Destructive Capacity is simply how much one can and has destroyed in there respective series. THAT’S IT! So you talking about Mugetsu’s Power, an attack that can easily be sidestepped & forces Ichigo to lose all his powers, is irrelevant. Also, if your getting the idea that somehow Mugetsu can, for example, cut threw a Bijuu Dama I suggest you stop believing. All we know about Mugetsu is that it’s a swing and it can cut threw Monster Aizen & an unknown depth of Earth/Rock/Soil. That’s it. So If that assumption is in your head then keep it in your head. That is my “recommendation."

Part 3

What your saying about the mountains and the Islands in this paragraph is all pointless. Why? Because I said

Do you know how BIG an island is on average?

Let me re-post that quote in case you didn’t catch it the first time. I said

Do you know how BIG an island is on average?

So your thoughts about the smallest Islands are irrelevant because on average Islands are NOT 50 meters. Also, it still does not change the FACT that Ichigo’s “mountain” destruction is nowhere even close to what Naruto can do destructive wise. Not only that But Island Level is being able to destroy layers upon layers of material in total volume(Rock, Stone, Bedrock etc)that spans at least a few km, roughly around 6km-10km is the starting line, and Ichigo can’t do that simply because he has never shown the ability to do so even with power-scaling. As I keep on telling you.

It’s funny because at the end of the day Naruto has the appropriate feats to back up his claim and Ichigo does not. All you can do for him is make insane power scales and assumptions. Nothing more and nothing less. That’s like me saying “Naruto is Country Level If he charges his Bijuu Dama for 5 mins straight." But i’m not saying that and God thank you i’m not.

So once again Naruto over any version of Ichigo and that is how it will ALWAYS be until Ichigo powers up or something like that. And seriously start to rely more on the content at had rather then make assumptions. In other words “Feats”




He showed ichigo’s arm raised to tell us that he took it with his arm, it wasn’t drawn held up for nothing with that being the only place burned. Now, for his forearm to have been burnt by the “heat” but not any of the skin that was exposed and within a foot of the arm is impossible, it’s not an assumption, it is physically impossible. His face was not even a foot from his arm and did not get burnt. So your saying that the “heat” burnt through his sleeve(his sleeve is part of his bankai, stronger than regular cloth by a lot), then burnt his forearm, but did not burn his face which had absolutely nothing to protect it? That is not possible, do not try and say otherwise. That being so means it cannot be heat. Now you say it exploded in mid air right? Well I have a question for you.

IF IT EXPLODED IN MIDAIR THEN WHERE THE FRAGGOR WOULD HAVE EXPLODED WOULD BE THE CENTER OF OR WITHIN A FEW FEET OF THE CENTER OF THE EXPLOSION. THIS STATEMENT IS OBVIOUSLY CORRECT IS IT NOT?

You said that there has never been an instance of ichigo taking most of the force of a destructive object that has a large scale explosion. That is completely false. Ulquiorra vs ichigo when his inner hollow took over at the end of the battle on the roof. He took all of the force of ulquiorra’s spear, except the little shockwave that kicked up the dust, with his hands.

" Destructive Capacity is simply how much one can and has destroyed in there respective series. THATíS IT! So you talking about Mugetsuís Power”
That is wat you said. Please re read what I said that paragraph u responded to with the paragraph the quote above is from. Then learn that destructive capacity does not mean more powerful. If u still say it does then answer this question.

FIRE BALL JUTSU DETROYS A TREE, REANIMATED RIAKAGE’S 1 FINGER JUTSU GOES THROUGH THE TREE, BUT DOES NOT DESTOY IT. WHICH ONE IS MORE POWERFUL.... BY FAR?

U said mugetsu was a swing. That’s completely false. http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Saigo_no_Getsuga_Tenshō#cite_note-2
Go to that site, go to the description tab, then read what mugetsu actually is.

For your part three you completely missed the point of my paragraph, please re read it and try to connect the points in it. Also try giving me proof or even anything to indicate that it was not a mountain. And before you say the picture itself, don’t. You can’t use a picture in which the distance is in question as proof of anything because what you are calling proof is whats in question in the first place.

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Mr.Breakdown wrote: Unfortunately current Naruto, from a combat standpoint, is better then any version of Ichigo.



Final getsuga ichigo in the fight against aizen... before going into the power where he had black hair he swung his sword and it took out a mountain, but it first had to go through aizen’s sword first each time thus reducing the power. The tailed best bomb of naruto’s, his strongest attack, takes out a mountain.... in what way in hell is naruto stronger than any version of ichigo?



Comparing the “Mountain” that Ichigo destroyed it the “Mountains” that Naruto can destroy is like comparing Night and Day. I don’t like scaling a “Hill” or a “Crag” to be a “Mountains," that’s just not my style. Not only that but Ichigo’s best feat EVER is a Mugetsu which is only Mountain Range Level and after that he loses all his powers. Naruto, on the other hand, can charge his Bijuu dama to a multi latitude of degrees and can range to the Island Level of destruction. That is beyond any version of Ichigo’s DC.

Naruto has way better Range, Abilities, and Intelligence. In Speed I would also give him the edge as well in Bijuu Mode simply because he has more established feats and Dangai Ichigo only has one speed feat were in which NO ONE knows how fast he was, and with the Kyuubi his Stamina is insane.

Durability I think Dangai gets the edge but probably not considering the fact that Monster Aizen’s Fragor gave him second degree burns on his left arm and that wasn’t even a mountain level attack. But Naruto can dish out SOOO much more power then Monster Aizen and that just a fact. And since Killer Bee was able to take his own Bijuu Dama to the face we can safely assume that Naruto could as well. This is also backed up by when both Bee and Him were in full Ox/Fox mode and they Blocked the Ten Tail’s Bijuu Bomb/Stream thing. So Naruto probably has the better Durability as well. Endurance I’m not really sure since Dangai Ichigo only did so much.

The only thing I can say for sure is that Dangai Ichigo has the greater Physical Strength and that’s it.

In a nut shell it’s

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

So fuck yes I say that Current Naruto is Stronger then any version of Ichigo. It’s just that people like you over rate Dangai Ichigo to the point were he’s almost Godly. That’s absurd.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.
I looked again, sorry, for a second a game mixed with my thoughts. Naruto’s power is shown to be to the amount of destroying about 3 mountains.... but that was his ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack
ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword without truly trying as it is possible to see that he was not through how he was shown fighting as opposed to how he has fought when trying. Also his sword had to knock Aizen’s sword out of the way as well. this made the sock wave that destroyed the MOUNTAIN less powerful than it would have been.
thus not truly trying swinging his sword with aizen’s sword making the shock wave less powerful ((((((!!!!!!one of the sword!!!!!!!)))))) 1 mountain
naruto ////(((((((!!!!!!!STRONGEST!!!!!)))))))///// attack 3 mountains

imagine if 1. ichigo’s swing was unhindered by aizen 2. he was trying all out 3. he swung is sword rapidly,multiple times, the way he did when fighting byakuya to rescue rukia and he cut every petal 4. used getsuga 5. used getsuga while saying getsuga (said how it makes it a lot stronger earlier on when he says it while doing it)

look at my post #183 page ten on the cero thrown by monster aizen to see how the left over power of the left over power of it was a nuclear explosion minus radiation.

I do not see dangai ichigo as god like. Goku is god like. goku vs ichigo is like chad vs an ant, except probably even worse than that. I’m not some obsessive bleach fan who thinks bleach is almighty, I have just looked at more of the details and compare not just two things against each other but a network of things against each other while taking into account all the details that people overlook. If anyone thinks that naruto is stronger than dangai ichigo after this explanation coupled with the cero explanation earlier you are blind or caught in a fantasy.

THIS THREAD WAS CREATED NOT TO DISCUSS DAINGAI ICHIGO, I KNOW THAT, SOMEONE BROUGHT IT UP THOUGH AND SO THINGS WNET A LITTLE OFF COURSE. WOULD THE CREATOR OF THIS THREAD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS TOPIC? IF SO PLEASE, STATE SO. WE ALL KNOW WHO THE CREATOR IS SO NO ACTING LIKE YOU ARE THE CREATOR IF YOU ARE NOT.



You can’t interpret the mountain as a hill or something else, your not the writer, the writer said it’s a mountain, so it’s a mountain, you have no say in the matter.



LOL!!! Then do me a favor (and since you seem to love caps) TELL ME HOW BIG THE MOUNTAIN THAT ICHIGO DESTROYED WAS!!. The fact that it was called a mountain DOES NOT CHANGE IT’S ACTUAL SIZE WHICH WAS ETCHED IN THE MANGA!!. Giving it a height of 500 meters would be too generous. In this case SIZE DOES MATER!!.

So you can say that it is a mountain for sure but that means nothing and what actually has validity is the height, width, and total volume of the mountain. In Britain the accepted height for the summit of a mountain is about 600 meters and clearly kubo’s etch does not even reach that height. While on the other hand, the mountains in Naruto are usually around 1,000 to 2,000 meters given there approximate height to the cloud line, which is about 6,000 meters. However this depends on the climate and colder climates have lower cloud lines of about 3,500 meters. So just take it from an average of about 4,700 for the cloud line. Not only are the norm Naruto mountains higher but also wider and have a much less stepper slope. There for they have a much greater volume because Volume = Length*Width*Height. These are Naruto mountains on a base norm (Note that this is NOT to scale and is simply a representation of comparable Volume)

Were as Ichigo’s “mountain” destruction had much less volume and is comparable to a mere crag, a small one at that.(again this is NOT to scale)

So the point is that in this case it does not matter at all if i’m not the writer because what he/she draws for us to see is the most important thing. Kubo says Mountain and I can easily say “Size of the smallest mountain in the world” Mount Wycheproof which only has an elevation of 43 meters. It is up to Kubo to draw out this “Mountain” and the AUTHOR DEPICTED IT AS A SMALL CRAG! Not my fault.

So once again in Destructive Capacity Naruto >> Any version of Ichigo.

ichigo destroyed a MOUNTAIN with a swing of his sword

I already explained that Size Maters but no that is no what happened and that’s obvious from the panel above (Why to people constantly rep this? Jesus Christ). Ichigo & Aizen’s swords made contact, Ichigo parried the attack, the force of the parry destroyed the “mountain”. Both of there swords face the “mountain” and that is the direction of the parry and there for the direction of the force. Simple. Not only that but I gave Ichigo the greater strength anyway so...straight and it still does Not change the fact that Naruto has much better Destructive Capacity and that his Bijuu Dama can interval from Mountain level to Island Level depending on the charge time. Plus you make way to many assumptions, almost to the point were you ignore the obvious fact that Ichigo, in any form, has never displayed Island Level destruction. That is a fact.

I don’t care if Aizen’s Fragor resembles a nuke, Naruot still dishes out more Destructive Capacity. Another fact simply because Aizen’s Fragor was not even Mountain level. Naruto can easily exceed that and from Aizens blast Ichigo suffered 2nd degree burns. Another Fact. So once agian by that logic Naruto can cause Dangai Ichigo wayyyyy more damage via bijuu dama.

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

So Like I said before

Destructive Capacity - Naruto

Range - Naruto

Abilities - Naruto

Intelligence - Naruto

Speed - I give Naruto the Edge in Bijuu Mode

Stamina - Naruto

Durability - Naruto

Strength - Dangai Ichigo

Nothing you said changed anything simply because I already gave him the edge in strength and all your Destructive Ability claims are all brash assumptions without even realizing that the Size of Objects matters. Not to mention the fact that he couldn’t even cut threw Aizen when he had the chance, there for proving that the generated force needed to destroy that “mountain” was from a parry and not a solo swing. It’s not just the possibility that Aizen could have taken the shock-wave, rather it is the fact that Ichigo never created the shock-wave in the first place.

So at the end of the day Naruto still wins.







That is written to specifically tell us that it was Ichigo’s sword swing alone that destroyed the mountains, not a combination of them both.

then bleach has no logic buy by perception no matter how you cut it (no pun intended) those mountains can be consider the the size of the smallest mountains on earth which is 10x smaller than whats considered to be a small mountain meaning it wont kill naruto



I like using caps to highlight main points...main points you ignored

hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

next i invite you to talk about trees, why because trees in the two are around the same size... yay an established size similarity!!! Oh and I agree size does matter by the way. Now look at those cool pictures above of 1st hokage vs madara and ichigo vs aizen, then look at those amazing trees in both and if you compare them to the mountains.... look at that, bleach mountain was a little taller but the naruto one is a little wider. so about the size of the mountains... please stop it they are about the same with the naruto one’s only having slightly more volume because they are wider at the base
ok so i was wrong on the direction of aizen’s sword, sorry but still as shown above by a previous person that it was not the combined force but ichigo’s force that destroyed the mountain, and aizen didn’t really have anything to do with it, also said by ichigo in the manga “It wasn’t your sword that destroyed those mountains. It was mine”. and yes it was a shock wave as you seen later on another, however severely less powerful, when he gets his soul reaper powers back. also when going hollowV2 he made a shock wave by the swing of his sword. so there’s more on that in bleach swings create shock waves, so that was a shock wave.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.

next you say that the goku thing had nothing to with anything. again, read what im actually saying. i was saying how i did not think dangai ichigo was god like by using a comparison in response to YOU saying how you hated people like me who consider dangai ichigo as god like. so please take back the “mother fucker” that you called me and notice i have not cursed at you or at all this whole time.



hey there we go... ichigo did cut aizen so, wrong on not being able to cut aizen

What the hell are you talking about? I never said that he didn’t cut him I said didn’t cut threw him meaning his entire body and provided no shock-wave in the process, there for backing up my last statement.

Tree’s...I see no tree’s around Aizen and Ichigo. I see bushes because NO FULLY GROWN TREE that I have ever seen is that short. Barely over Aizen and Ichigo themselves and the shrubs themselves are on a fucking slope. LOL!! A fucking slope for Christ sake. That’s a failed attempt at scaling because it’s obvious that the patched of tree’s around the Kyuubi are small forest. WHY?! because the Kyuubi is a creature that spans AT LEAST over 150 meters and Ichigo is barley 1.9 meters. So in actuality the “tree’s” in the Bleach panel, once again, help prove my point even further while the patches of forest on the Naruto panel enforce this notion. The fact that you just tired to compare shrubs with barely any height over humans to patches of forest that have always spanned the Naruto series, groups of fully grown trees, is mindblowing. You need a better sense of scaling.

Once again the Mountains in Naruto, normally, have MUCH greater Volume, Height, and width then whatever Ichigo destroyed. Also the fact that you said a “LITTLE” wider when Naruto mountains CLEARLY span several Km in width is INSANE!! Lord Almighty! The one on the Bleach panel is barley 600 meters in width. Smh dude.

also you keep ignoring how this was naruto’s STRONGEST attack thats doing the three mountains and that a SIMPLE NON FULL EFFORT SWING by ichigo takes one out



Christ it DOES NOT MATTER!!!! FACT! Ichigo’s most destructive move EVER was Mugetsu! That is FACT and that Attack is Mountain Range Level. ONCE AGAIN! Naruto, depending on the charge time, can go from MOUNTAIN LEVEL to ISLAND LEVEL via Bijuu dama. ONCE AGAIN! This is BEYOND ANYTHING ICHIGO HAS EVER DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES!!! I already told you time and time and time and time again that all your claims are BRASH ASSUMPTIONS(not even a sense of power-scaling] and because you have such a HORRIBLE sense of scaling you assume that Dangai Ichigo can blown apart HUGE 1,500 to 2,000 meter mountains with one swing when he CLEARLY CAN’T TO THAT SINE HE COULD ONLY BLOW OFF HALF OF A “MOUNTAIN” that is BARELY 500 METERS!

And this again

you said ichigo never displayed island level destruction. now... we have proof that swings in bleach were creating shock waves so it was not the parry that caused the shockwave... now with a few swings ichigo could destroy an island, there is the island level. and thats only by swinging, not using actual attacks a.k.a. getsuga tensou



Facepalm “fuck me dude...fuck me!" Do you know how BIG an island is on average? Do you understand EXACTLY what your saying? We ALREADY have evidence of Ichigo’s STRONGEST ATTACK EVER, the MUGETSU, and not even THAT was Island Level. So your saying “But if he 'Swings' a few times he can destroy an ENTIRE ISLAND!" This is exactly why sooooooo many Bleach fans overrate the living hell out of Dangai Ichigo. Assumed, half ass, outlandish claims like this. Let me do you a favor and bring out some MATH logic,

(Assuming that you are right about the solo swing of Ichigo destroying that “mountain," even though there is a clear parry in the panel, Aizen has a back swing in the same direction AND there is evidence that goes AGAINST Ichigo being able to do that repeatedly since he did NOT produce the same effect when he cut Aizen)

Ichigo destroyed the top half of a “mountain” that was at most 500 meters (So we are HIGH Balling here). This means that Ichigo destroyed 250 meters of materiel since it is a simple 500 / 2 = 250. Now there are SKYSCRAPERS that have WAY more volume then what Ichigo destroyed like the Empire State Building, Willis Tower, Wilshire Grand Tower, One Bayfront Plaza, etc. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS?!. When you factor in the mass of the solid rock that the “mountain” is made out and it’s Volume, which is SMALLER then some of the tallest buildings in the United States, then you get about MULTI CITY BLOCK LEVEL SWINGS!! MULTI CITY BLOCK!! Fuck “mountain” Level Ichigo can’t even do that via one swing. So assuming that he can do these shock-waves repeatedly, even though there is evidence AGAINST this, he would need a continuous stream of DIRECTED swings (because of Total Force Ftotal = F1 + F2 + F3 + F4 + etc.) and preform this in a target location that is about the size of about 9km of SOLID BEDROCK and other materials. That’s some crazy shit but OF COURSE this has NEVER BEEN DISPLAYED IN THE ENTIRE BLEACH SERIES! Which is why I keep on telling you OVER AND OVER AND OVER again that your assumptions for Ichigo’s Destructive Capacity are brash and absurd. We ALREADY HAVE HIS MAX and yet you continue to spout outlandish speculations. My word. Also stop with the, “Maybe his Dangai Getsuga Tensou...." I don’t give a fuck. Never used it there for I don’t give a fuck. And it still wouldn’t be even CLOSE to Mugetsu even if he could spam it, which AGAIN there is no evidence for.

Now your sixth paragraph...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

for aizen’s cero, guess what.... i would like you to actually read what I am saying please. I did not say it produced a nuclear explosion... I said what was left over of what was left over of the cero created the nuclear explosion. so let me explain again .... cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power, then because it was launched downward the inertia and all sends the left over power downward, creating the gigantic hole in the earth. THEN what was left over of that, sooo what was left over of what was left over was sent upward to form a nuclear explosion minus the radiation. that would indicate that the cero was a lot stronger than mountain level... A LOT stronger.



WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT............WHAT?!!Mother Marry! Look at the panels below.




now YOU JUST SAID

cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power

Now let me ask you......where is the CONTACT?! O wait THERE IS NO CONTACT!! You had me going for a second but then I realized that what you JUST SAID was dead wrong. WHY?!?!?! Because you ASSUMED CONTACT BETWEEN ICHIGO AND AIZEN’S FRAGOR!! Once again assumptions left and right with you. Then you ASSUME that it’s would be mountain level (even though there is no substantial evidence to that at all) if your notions were correct. Your like the assumption king or something like that.

So let me clarify what we DO Know. We know that Ichigo DID NOT do that same thing that Yamamoto did when stopped Wonderwise or ANYTHING of that nature. There is NOTHING that support’s that in the panel’s above or in later panels. All we know is that Aizen fired his Fagor and it exploded. From the evidence above it explodes in MID AIR and Ichigo gets hurt by the heat of the explosion ITSELF!! That is ALL the top panels say. No contact made, no “Left Over” spirit energy, none of that. So all of what your just said was negated and it’s still NOT mountain level EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT simply because you COULD NEVER tell me the degree to which the explosion was nerfed. And even still Naruto can dish WAY MORE!

Never called you a mother fucker I said

Ugh I hate it when people go off topic. Don’t mention Goku this has nothing to do with that mother fucker. Say on topic.

You weren’t even the target. So yea......stop assuming. But you still haven’t proven anything at all and Naruto is still beating Dangai ichigo whether you like it or not; that is what the evidence point to.



First off two things
1. The thing about cutting aizen at the very beggining was not directed at you, I should have made that more clear.
2. Im glad to know you were not cursing at me like that there, I read it differently, in a way that sounded like u did, so sorry that I accused you of it.

For the cero I had you going because what i said was true. You said I assumed contact, but it did, it may not have been shown hitting, but did hit. Before u have the thought “that’s not true”, please continue reading. You said it exploded mid air and that the heat of the explosion caused ichigo to get hurt, but that’s impossible. If his arm got that hurt from the heat, then any of his skin within several yards would had the same thing happen too it, yet the rest of his arm, his chest, neck and face showed no signs of burns. All of those were in a foot of his arm, in fact before the cero he had his sleeve and all still intact. So ur saying that the heat burnt through all that and burnt his arm when his face had nothing on it yet it received no damage? That is completely impossible for it to not have been burnt too if the heat caused the burns. It even shows ichigo’s arm raised, it showing it raised is to tell us he blocked it with his arm, after all to block something comming at them people will raise their arm. So ichigo did block it with his arm and my cero explanation does hold true.

For the mugetsu thing, mugetsu is not a big area attack, it’s a straight line attack. It’s not supposed to destroy a large area. It’s just not that type of attack; it’s a focused attack that destroys whatever it hits. U saying how it’s not island level doesn’t matter in comparing it too something like the tailed beast bomb... Here’s why... Tailed beast bomb destroys bigger area than mugetsu, now a fireball destroys more than the reanimated riakage’s single finger lightning style jutsu right? But the riakage’s jutsu holds a lot more power. You can’t say just because something destroys more in manga and anime that it’s more powerful.

The island thing... You know that the smallest island is called bishop rock and is approximately 50 square meters. When I said island u thought of something a lot bigger. In response to this you might be thinking duh... When someone says island nobody thinks of a small island or the smallest island, they think of a island of a pretty good size. You know what I say to that.... That u would be completely right. People don’t think like that. I even tested it out today with two friends I was with and it proved this to be true. When I first read the bleach chapter where ichigo destroyed the mountain, I did not see it as a mountain until aizen said it was a mountain. I thought when I saw the picture of it that it was just some rock face besides them. After all that’s what it looks like at first glance and no other angle had been given to show other wise and I’m sure almost everyone else saw it the same way at first. But then ya realize that it looks so small because it’s far away. That’s obvious that being further away makes something look smaller. Now why do people keep saying the “stupid distance crap”. What about it is stupid? That if it’s true then naruto is weaker? What proof is there against it other than the picture which can not be used as proof against itself obviously. So now the word mountain being used has caused controversy. When a writer says something it impacts what a reader thinks, every writer knows that and chooses their words carefully. But kubo holds what a person says as VERY important as seen with gin saying sorry to rangiku, ichigo’s father when he was talking to Jon and didn’t say ichigo once(his dad always says ichigo pretty much announcing his presence often times when saying it), when aizen was saying the thing about what ichigo is the son of, and many other times as well. He uses his words as something very important. If some one say mountain.... What do people think.... If someone says island... What do people think.... Any one really think he’d say mountain if talking about something as small as most of you are saying? No way he would.





Part 1

Once again NO on your Fragor claims; all accounts. Yet again what your saying is an assumption and all your justification is that “Well he has the burns on his arms and not anywhere else." All that means is that the left side of his body took the brunt of Aizens Fragor. It does NOT mean direct contact between the attack and his own body. Also, once again, because of the FACT that Tite Kubo did not emphasize ANY contact between the Fragor and Ichigo’s Body on the panel’s above, my deduction is automatically correct. I could also reference this to the Anime which showed NO contact at when that scene occurred. Does not matter if the Anime is secondary cannon because it is more evidence in my favor due to the FACT that anime’s are representations of the manga series in motion. So you can sit there and keep on saying that contact was made but all the evidence shows is that the left side of his body took the brunt of Aizen’s attack. That is all, nothing more and nothing less. However, I will give you credit because you do seem to be knowledgeable in the material at hand.

Let’s assume that you are right for arguments sake. Let’s assume that Aizen’s Fragor did make contact with Ichigo’s arm and lets assume that the

cero gets launched in a downward ward direction right... so first ichigo blocks it with his arm that means his arm took MOST of its power

(even though Ichigo has NEVER showed the ability to “Take” away the power from an attack, unless you mean reduce it’s overall DC). Were in the HELL are you getting Mountain level for that attack? This is the Biggest Problem with your own theory because Even if you were right in saying that Ichigo took away some of the Fragor’s power, you could NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH POWER ICHIGO TOOK FROM THE ATTACK ITSELF! Meaning that Ichigo could have taken 70% of the attack, 50%, 40%; you could never know. All that means is Town Level+ for Aizen’s Fragor. That’s it. You just can’t jump him up to Mountain level because it’s explosion was mitigated. That’s nuts. Even your own assumptions have dire flaws. What’s up with that?

Part 2

Look, there is nothing to claim that Mugetsu is more powerful than a Bijuu dama. None. Destructive Capacity is simply how much one can and has destroyed in there respective series. THAT’S IT! So you talking about Mugetsu’s Power, an attack that can easily be sidestepped & forces Ichigo to lose all his powers, is irrelevant. Also, if your getting the idea that somehow Mugetsu can, for example, cut threw a Bijuu Dama I suggest you stop believing. All we know about Mugetsu is that it’s a swing and it can cut threw Monster Aizen & an unknown depth of Earth/Rock/Soil. That’s it. So If that assumption is in your head then keep it in your head. That is my “recommendation."

Part 3

What your saying about the mountains and the Islands in this paragraph is all pointless. Why? Because I said

Do you know how BIG an island is on average?

Let me re-post that quote in case you didn’t catch it the first time. I said

Do you know how BIG an island is on average?

So your thoughts about the smallest Islands are irrelevant because on average Islands are NOT 50 meters. Also, it still does not change the FACT that Ichigo’s “mountain” destruction is nowhere even close to what Naruto can do destructive wise. Not only that But Island Level is being able to destroy layers upon layers of material in total volume(Rock, Stone, Bedrock etc)that spans at least a few km, roughly around 6km-10km is the starting line, and Ichigo can’t do that simply because he has never shown the ability to do so even with power-scaling. As I keep on telling you.

It’s funny because at the end of the day Naruto has the appropriate feats to back up his claim and Ichigo does not. All you can do for him is make insane power scales and assumptions. Nothing more and nothing less. That’s like me saying “Naruto is Country Level If he charges his Bijuu Dama for 5 mins straight." But i’m not saying that and God thank you i’m not.

So once again Naruto over any version of Ichigo and that is how it will ALWAYS be until Ichigo powers up or something like that. And seriously start to rely more on the content at had rather then make assumptions. In other words “Feats”




He showed ichigo’s arm raised to tell us that he took it with his arm, it wasn’t drawn held up for nothing with that being the only place burned. Now, for his forearm to have been burnt by the “heat” but not any of the skin that was exposed and within a foot of the arm is impossible, it’s not an assumption, it is physically impossible. His face was not even a foot from his arm and did not get burnt. So your saying that the “heat” burnt through his sleeve(his sleeve is part of his bankai, stronger than regular cloth by a lot), then burnt his forearm, but did not burn his face which had absolutely nothing to protect it? That is not possible, do not try and say otherwise. That being so means it cannot be heat. Now you say it exploded in mid air right? Well I have a question for you.

IF IT EXPLODED IN MIDAIR THEN WHERE THE FRAGGOR WOULD HAVE EXPLODED WOULD BE THE CENTER OF OR WITHIN A FEW FEET OF THE CENTER OF THE EXPLOSION. THIS STATEMENT IS OBVIOUSLY CORRECT IS IT NOT?

You said that there has never been an instance of ichigo taking most of the force of a destructive object that has a large scale explosion. That is completely false. Ulquiorra vs ichigo when his inner hollow took over at the end of the battle on the roof. He took all of the force of ulquiorra’s spear, except the little shockwave that kicked up the dust, with his hands.

" Destructive Capacity is simply how much one can and has destroyed in there respective series. THATíS IT! So you talking about Mugetsuís Power”
That is wat you said. Please re read what I said that paragraph u responded to with the paragraph the quote above is from. Then learn that destructive capacity does not mean more powerful. If u still say it does then answer this question.

FIRE BALL JUTSU DETROYS A TREE, REANIMATED RIAKAGE’S 1 FINGER JUTSU GOES THROUGH THE TREE, BUT DOES NOT DESTOY IT. WHICH ONE IS MORE POWERFUL.... BY FAR?

U said mugetsu was a swing. That’s completely false. http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Saigo_no_Getsuga_Tenshō#cite_note-2
Go to that site, go to the description tab, then read what mugetsu actually is.

For your part three you completely missed the point of my paragraph, please re read it and try to connect the points in it. Also try giving me proof or even anything to indicate that it was not a mountain. And before you say the picture itself, don’t. You can’t use a picture in which the distance is in question as proof of anything because what you are calling proof is whats in question in the first place.

you keep on yelling reread what you said and read your points but if you cant bring proof other than assumption then naruto>>>dangai ichigo and thats that...its time like these i want to curl up into a ball and cry


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Stardust wrote: Current Naruto casually beats Current Ichigo.



And thank you again for proveing to everyone why your mentally retarded congratulations! You know what you win? A dickslap to the face.


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trying to look for better shit that was interesting but i didnt get it


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Stardust wrote:

Renegade_RainbowDash wrote: I think Ichigo beats naruto, especially if he doesnt let him enter RM. even in RM i dont see naruto winning, but he has a way greater chance.
ichigo doesnt just like beat him down though. he wins with Mid difficulty.

Wank at its finest.



coming from you that’s gold. Considering that you thought that Naruto could beat Yama. yea...


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Stardust wrote:

Shiroyasha wrote:

AkiX wrote:

Renegade_RainbowDash wrote: lol never take Stardust seriously in a naruto vs debate


But really, its just retarded to think Ichigo can beat Naruto ^¸¸^

How so?

Naruto casually flicked away 5 mountain buster. Ichigo barely is a multi city block buster.



5 mountains versus someone who could with no effort what so ever with the sheer swing of his sword could VAPORIZE a mountain. The amount of power need to move a sword that fast to make the air do that is utterly monstrous. And what Naruto did requires only large amounts of TNT and can be done quote easily in RL no joke.


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Stardust wrote:

Renegade_RainbowDash wrote: lol never take Stardust seriously in a naruto vs debate

Yep, you’re butthurt. Good to know. And your post was contradictory.



Dude you got so butthurt you started saying Naruto could beat Yama, so you have no room to talk. My my how quickly we forget.


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Stardust wrote:

Pirate Luffy wrote: What do they start in.If it’s base then Naruto would start Clones and Ichigo would start spamming Getsuga Tencho everywhere.

They are blood lusted of course. And you do know Naruto can go into Bijuu mode almost instantly?



not much.


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Stardust wrote:

Raniero wrote: Why do people base having superior AoE attacks as an automatic win. That’s so retarded. Attack potency above all else.

Naruto throws a casual mountain buster toward Ichigo/Thread. Who ever thinks Ichigo would win must be smokin that rock.





can’t believe I’m resorting to this. What are you a 12 year old? what the serious fuck man.


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Stardust wrote:

Raniero wrote: Naruto takes 5 minutes to go Super SaiyanBijuu Mode in the anime for dramatic purposes cool Sounds familiar.



...and?


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