str8retard wrote:
What you say don’t blend well at all with what actually happened.
That’s your mental disability speaking.
str8retard wrote:
Why would Krillin only mentioned Roshi’s hit if he also didn’t see his whole body move either?
Why didn’t you say doesn’t blend well with what actually happened instead of that mangled mess you typed earlier? (*watches this example go RIGHT over your retarded head,* I’ll spell it out for you though, s-e-m-a-n-t-i-c b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t)
str8retard wrote:
Except Roshi clearly moved forward.
Only to the people behind the 4th wall, nobody in the actual show saw him move but Goku.
str8retard wrote:
Looking at that, are you still saying it’s impossible for Kenshiro to strike pressure points that way?
Uhhh, yeah.
str8retard wrote:
So first you bring up the bullets and then say it’s irrelevant?
God you’re a retard.
You said Raditz hasn’t caught anything as fast as a Ken punch. I pointed out he’s caught bullets which are faster than a Ken punch. So far, you’ve been unable to prove that Ken punches faster than bullets and are now rambling about Master Roshi and bullets.
str8retard wrote:
How can you look at his punching speed, admit it’s invisible to humans and STILL say it’s slower than bullets?
Bullets are also invisible to humans you goddamn retard.
It’s funny how you didn’t come up with any actual rebuttal.
Moses Morrison wrote:
Why didn’t you say doesn’t blend well with what actually happened instead of that mangled mess you typed earlier? (*watches this example go RIGHT over your retarded head,* I’ll spell it out for you though, s-e-m-a-n-t-i-c b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t)
Don’t try to make excuses for you inability to make a proper response.
Moses Morrison wrote:
Only to the people behind the 4th wall, nobody in the actual show saw him move but Goku.
You mean saw him move his hand.
Moses Morrison wrote:
Uhhh, yeah.
Then you’re dumber than I thought. A finger that is so strong it pierces a hand somehow won’t be able to strike pressure points in the arm? How stupid can you get?
Moses Morrison wrote:
God you’re a retard.
You said Raditz hasn’t caught anything as fast as a Ken punch. I pointed out he’s caught bullets which are faster than a Ken punch. So far, you’ve been unable to prove that Ken punches faster than bullets and are now rambling about Master Roshi and bullets.
So it’s relevant afterall. You just said bullets have nothing to do with anything, which if it didn’t, you wouldn’t have brought it up.
Moses Morrison wrote:
Bullets are also invisible to humans you goddamn retard.
Then why did you say bullets are faster than Ken’s punches if they’re both invisible to humans, stupid?
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Indalecio wrote:
Raditz has casually blitzed people, who’s low end feats include outspeeding the guy who casually catches machine gun fire. :\
In this case, Raditz has casually blitzed Goku who is far faster than Roshi, who casually catches machine gun fire.
I can’t say it was a blitz. Raditz simply outfought Goku.
I can. Rememeber when he landed on Roshi’s island? He kneed Goku before he could react. Also, there were lots of times during the fight where he used his speed and out did BOTH fighters. He could have easily speedblitzed then too. But he was just defending mostly.
Regardless, Kid Goku had multi bullet timing reaction as a child. Roshi had that too. They far surpass Roshi in speed by the time King Piccolo era rolls around. They get even faster during part 1. Basically I don’t see anything Kenshiro has to put him at that speed level where Raditz couldn’t react to his punches and just block them or catch them.
str8retard wrote:
It’s funny how you didn’t come up with any actual rebuttal.
Oh, I did, the reason it doesn’t blend (to you) is because of your mental disability. Were it not for this mental handicap, you’d have no problems understanding the scene for what it was. Roshi moving so fast nobody but Goku could see him.
str8retard wrote:
Don’t try to make excuses for you inability to make a proper response.
And I see, my pointing out your poor use of semantics to turn a scene into something it isn’t (womg he saw Roshi, he just didn’t see, the hit, even though he questions how he can defeat him if he can’t even see him, he actually can see him just not the hit, or something similarily retarded) flies right over your head even when it’s spelled out for you.
str8retard wrote:
Then you’re dumber than I thought. A finger that is so strong it pierces a hand somehow won’t be able to strike pressure points in the arm? How stupid can you get?
*facepalms*
str8retard wrote:
So it’s relevant afterall. You just said bullets have nothing to do with anything, which if it didn’t, you wouldn’t have brought it up.
*facepalms*
str8retard wrote:
Then why did you say bullets are faster than Ken’s punches if they’re both invisible to humans, stupid?
Indalecio wrote:
I can. Rememeber when he landed on Roshi’s island? He kneed Goku before he could react. Also, there were lots of times during the fight where he used his speed and out did BOTH fighters. He could have easily speedblitzed then too. But he was just defending mostly.
Regardless, Kid Goku had multi bullet timing reaction as a child. Roshi had that too. They far surpass Roshi in speed by the time King Piccolo era rolls around. They get even faster during part 1. Basically I don’t see anything Kenshiro has to put him at that speed level where Raditz couldn’t react to his punches and just block them or catch them.
On Roshi’s island, Goku wasn’t really at his fastest. That’s why he took off the weighted clothing during the time he actually fought Raditz. And yeah, he was mostly defending when he was fighting both of them as going on the offensive at that moment probably wouldn’t be a good idea.
I doubt they could react to something as fast as the wind. Sure Roshi can catch bullets but if we were to go by Moses stupid logic, that wouldn’t count as combat speed.
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And I see, my pointing out your poor use of semantics to turn a scene into something it isn’t (womg he saw Roshi, he just didn’t see, the hit, even though he questions how he can defeat him if he can’t even see him, he actually can see him just not the hit, or something similarily retarded) flies right over your head even when it’s spelled out for you.
What do you mean “turn the scene into something it isn’t”? What I said was 100% accurate. People only didn’t see his hit and I provided you with evidence to support this, something you keep ignoring.
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I’m sitting here loling at str8retards stupidity. I can’t even argue with this kid anymore, it’s like every post is an attempt to out retard the last one.
“His finger went through his hand without hitting a pressure point, this means he ALWAYS hits pressure points."
I also quoted Krillin saying he couldn’t see him. It’s clear the hit was referring to the action of Roshi moving several steps forward and punching him in the face; just like how it’s clear your mental disability prevents you from seeing this blatantly obvious fact.
What you say don’t blend well at all with what actually happened. Why would Krillin only mentioned Roshi’s hit if he also didn’t see his whole body move either? He wouldn’t have called the entire movement a “hit”. Plus, you forget, after he was talking to Goku, his thoughts were “If he was able to see that punch, I should too."
Moses Morrison wrote:
Because he moved so fast it looked like he was standing still? Just like Kenshiro.
Except Roshi clearly moved forward.
Moses Morrison wrote:
Apparently, Kenshiro can hit pressure points in the arms if Ken’s aiming for pressure points in the face, based on the time he poked a hole in a guy’s hand without activating a pressure points.
Looking at that, are you still saying it’s impossible for Kenshiro to strike pressure points that way?
Moses Morrison wrote:
Yup. That’s like you randomly asking me if Master Roshi is faster than Vegetto, it’s an irrelevant question. One doesn’t need to be bullet speed, or even near it, to be faster than Kenshiro, therefore, bullets have nothing to do with anything.
So first you bring up the bullets and then say it’s irrelevant? Ridiculous. You just don’t know what you want. Also, based on his feats, one DOES have to be bullet speed to match Kenshiro (even though it’s possible that’s not fast enough). How can you look at his punching speed, admit it’s invisible to humans and STILL say it’s slower than bullets? You’re just spouting more BS now.
Also Kaoru, I checked it out. It looked like a shotgun but then again, it occured in the anime. I still would say it matches his abilities, looking at his speed feats.
What type of shotgun was it?
People underestimate the firepower of guns imo. A shotgun has a higher muzzle velocity than a submachine gun since:
A) Longer Barrel
Stronger Firing Pin
C) Stronger action: ie pump action, double barrel tends to use all their kinetic energy into the shotgun blast while semi auto and full auto has to use some of that energy to reload the ammo.
People underestimate the firepower of guns imo. A shotgun has a higher muzzle velocity than a submachine gun since:
A) Longer Barrel
Stronger Firing Pin
C) Stronger action: ie pump action, double barrel tends to use all their kinetic energy into the shotgun blast while semi auto and full auto has to use some of that energy to reload the ammo.
What kind of shotgun? I don’t know but if you know a site that hosts anime, find the 11th episode of Fist of the North Star.
Moses Morrison wrote:
I’m sitting here loling at str8retards stupidity. I can’t even argue with this kid anymore, it’s like every post is an attempt to out retard the last one.
“His finger went through his hand without hitting a pressure point, this means he ALWAYS hits pressure points."
XMFD
Blocking pressure points is like blocking a knife. Even if you try to block it, you’ll still get cut badly.
Go2movies wrote:
What kind of shotgun? I don’t know but if you know a site that hosts anime, find the 11th episode of Fist of the North Star.
The SMG Roshi fought may have a higher rate of fire (fires more rounds), but you gotta remember that SMG rounds tend to be FMJ = Full Metal Jacket, and they are only supposed to punch a hole through you since the Geneva Conventions allow only FMJ ammo to be used.
Let’s compare the SMG Roshi fought to the shotgun:
British Sten SMG:
Operation: Selective Fire (Full or Semiautomatic)
Calibre: 9mm Parabellum
Muzzle Velocity: 366 mps (1200 fps)
Muzzle Energy: 368 ft/lbs
Capacity: 32 round detachable box magazine
Cyclic Rate: 540 rpm
Weight: 3 kg (6.6 lbs)
Overall Length: 76.2 cm (30 in)
Effective Range: 100 m (110 yds)
Available from: 1943
By the looks of it, it looked like a 12 Gauge. Trust me, you do not wanna get hit by it. People have been shot by pistol caliber weapons and lived. Very very very few can be said about those that are shot by 12 gauges. o_O
Patterns from 10, 12, 16, 20, and 28 gauge guns are all the same size (other factors like choke being equal), and they are all measured in a 30 inch circle at 40 yards. A full choke gun in all gauges is supposed to put 70% of its shot inside of that 30 inch circle. But because the big 10 and 12 gauge guns throw more shot, more pellets wind up inside that circle. 70% of a 7/8 ounce load of #6 shot from a 20 gauge gun amounts to about 140 pellets. 70% of a 1 1/8 ounce load from a 12 gauge gun is about 177 pellets. Either gun is equally easy to hit with, but the 12 kills better.
Naturally, 12 gauge shells are sold virtually everywhere ammunition is available, and they are often discounted. They are available in a profusion of loads and shot sizes. 12 gauge shells come in lengths of 2 3/4 inches, 3 inches, and 3 1/2 inches. 12 gauge shot is made from lead (the best and most common material), bismuth, steel, tungsten-iron, and tungsten-nickel iron. There are so many choices that it is impossible to describe them all here, but I will try to mention the most popular lead and steel shot loads.
Winchester, for example, lists ten different AA Target loads in 12 gauge, but only three in 20 gauge, one in 28 gauge, and one in .410 bore. The most common 12 gauge target loads contain 1 ounce of shot at a muzzle velocity between 1180-1290 fps, or 1 1/8 ounce of shot at 1145-1200 fps. All target loads usually contain hard (high antimony content) lead shot in sizes 7 1/2, 8, or 9. Sporting clays, trap, and pigeon loads use size 7 1/2 or 8 shot, and skeet loads use size 9 shot. All target loads come in standard length 2 3/4 inch shells.
12 gauge “sport” or promotional shells usually contain 1 ounce of lead #6, 7 1/2, or 8 shot at a MV of about 1290 fps. Traditional 12 gauge low-brass field loads contain 1 1/8 ounce of lead #4, 6, 7 1/2, or 8 shot at about 1255 fps. All sport, promotional, and field loads come in 2 3/4 inch shells.
12 gauge high-brass (“Maximum” or “High Velocity” lead shot loads generally contain 1 1/4 ounce of #2, 4, 5, 6, 7 1/2, 8, or 9 shot at a MV of about 1330 fps. With #6 shot this is the traditional pheasant load and, before the US Government banned lead shot for waterfowl hunting, with size 4, 5, and 6 shot the traditional duck loads. Again, these are 2 3/4 inch shells.
Stronger Firing Pin
lead shot loads generally contain 1 1/4 ounce of #2, 4, 5, 6, 7 1/2, 8, or 9 shot at a MV of about 1330 fps. With #6 shot this is the traditional pheasant load and, before the US Government banned lead shot for waterfowl hunting, with size 4, 5, and 6 shot the traditional duck loads. Again, these are 2 3/4 inch shells.
