Laharl vs Sora

Cloud wrote:

Cid wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote: Ok, i don’t know much about FF and KH cuz i think they are boring, but if i am correct, the FF characters were powered down in KH so they would be easier to beat?

Much easier in fact, and the sad thing is Sora still can’t beat a Sephiroth that is roughly 30 times weaker than Safer Sephiroth in FF7 whom which Cloud tore apart.

This just proves how much of a biased fanboy you are. For starters, the Super Nova would wipe out Cloud, Tifa, Vincent, Yuffie, Zack, etc. You have no proof to say Final Fantasy characters are much easier to beat. Also again, Sora went easy on them. It seems you want think Sora is supposedly a wimp because he seems “little”. Let’s see he is 15. Squall is 17, Yuffie Kisaragi is 16, and Cloud and Tifa are 20. Just to clarify.

Dude, you don’t know enough about Final Fantasy VII to even speak of it like that. I clarified in that Sephiroth vs Samus/MC/Freeman/Flynn thread that the SuperNova isn’t a real attack, and if you’d actually read other people’s post then you’d know that.

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Cid wrote:
Dude, before that tell me who do you think is right? Be completely honest and don’t be biased, if you think Cloud is right just say it.

In my honest opinion I do see the FF characters as being weakened. I mean if Cloud had all his materia and could summon that would make him almost impossible to beat. He doesn’t even use all his limit breaks. Plus not sure if its canon or not but in the KH manga when Cloud and Sora fought in the Collosium, Sora was talking about how he was going to beat Cloud, the next panel Sora is on the ground and Cloud has his sword above him. Infact the only reason he let him go was because he is the Keyblade Master. That tells me that Cloud is holding back.

MetaHybrid wrote: You’d be more credible Cloud, if you stopped throwing insults around. Just saying. Not sure if Cid is doing the same.

People only start throwing insults when they’re backed into a corner. Anyway, to the point of the topic, due to Laharl’s immense abilities he’d probably win, being able to destroy the planet just isn’t fair. I couldn’t even truly counter that in the Link vs Laharl thread.

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Manchester Black wrote:

Cid wrote:
Dude, before that tell me who do you think is right? Be completely honest and don’t be biased, if you think Cloud is right just say it.

In my honest opinion I do see the FF characters as being weakened. I mean if Cloud had all his materia and could summon that would make him almost impossible to beat. He doesn’t even use all his limit breaks. Plus not sure if its canon or not but in the KH manga when Cloud and Sora fought in the Collosium, Sora was talking about how he was going to beat Cloud, the next panel Sora is on the ground and Cloud has his sword above him. Infact the only reason he let him go was because he is the Keyblade Master. That tells me that Cloud is holding back.

I don’t think the manga is cannon, I don’t know for sure. I guess I need to go check it out.

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The other thing about that is that it was with one attack and when the attack hit the earth it was destroyed. So basically Laharl can destroy the planet in one second with one attack and still live.

Cid wrote:

Cloud wrote:

Cid wrote:

Cloud wrote:

Cid wrote: Sora still can’t even do damage to Sephiroth where Cloud can

OMG YOU HAVE JUST BEEN PWNED!!!1!!1!!!!! AGAIN!

Again, he is the Darkness within Cloud’s heart. Sephiroth isn’t eliminated as long as Cloud is a friend of the Darkness. Also, I don’t see where Cloud damaged Sephiroth.

Yeah, you just pwned me in your dreams, again.

Dude, that’s obviously a lie because in FF7 Sephiroth can be hurt by any character regardless of how Cloud is acting.

You just proved you’re an idiot since it’s an exact quote from the game. Try not to embarress yourself.

Ahem

Sephiroth wrote: I admit, you are very skilled, but apparently Cloud is the only one who can eliminate me.

Translation - You’re good, but only Cloud is strong enough to defeat me.

Your translation is insignificant. Cloud’s power is but a small fraction of Xemnas’s. Xemnas cannot eliminate Sephiroth.

Cid wrote:

Sephiroth wrote: Absurd. Defeating me is meaningless. You know that more than anyone, Cloud. No matter how many times I fall, your darkness keeps calling me back

Translation - Absurd. Defeating me is meaningless. You know that more than anyone, Cloud. No Matter how many times I fall, the Jenova within you keeps bringing me back.

So Jenova = Darkness? Wow...stupidity at it’s max.

Cid wrote: If you played Final Fantasy VII you would have known that the Jenova Cells within Cloud is what give Sephiroth power when he’s around Cloud. Those quotes have no relevance to the reason that Cloud can kick Seph’s ass and Sora can’t.

This is confusing since it crosses both games which in this case doesn’t work nor does it make sense.

The manga probably doesn’t count as Canon, it was written by Shiro Amano who had no involvement with the game itself.

Anywho, yeah I don’t think Sora can beat Laharl... as I said being able to destroy the planet is a definite advantage in any fight... against anyone unless his enemy is powerful enough to survive the explosion and be able to breathe in space.

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@ Cloud - just stop, now all you’re doing is degrading yourself. Come on, “So Jenova = Darkness? Wow...stupidity at it’s max."? That’s very pathetic... If you paid any attention to Final fantasy VII you’d know that Jenova is the Dark Harbinger, the scourge of the planet, ect. Jenova is the very essence of Darkness, that’s what Vincent said in Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus.

This is confusing since it crosses both games which in this case doesn’t work nor does it make sense.

It doesn’t make sense because you never played the game. FFVII explains very clearly that Sephiroth draws power from J-Cells, it’s how he controlled the Sephiroth clones and it’s probably how he controlled Cloud.

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Manchester Black wrote: They’re more impressive,

That’s subjective.

Manchester Black wrote: do alot more damage than Soras,

Did I mention numbers in Final Fantasy games shouldn’t be used in arguments? i.e., in Final Fantasy X, Wakka can deal over 90,000 points of damage with a blitzball, yet Cloud can’t deal even 10,000 points of damage with the Buster Sword.

Manchester Black wrote: and the fact he has more.

That’s not a fact considering Sora has 16 Limits whereas Cloud has only 7.

Manchester Black wrote: He might of lost the other debate.

He’s proven everything that he said. I don’t see how he lost.

Manchester Black wrote: he hasn’t posted anything to defend Sora against Laharl.

He could, although you’ll probably reject his arguments even though they’re right.

Manchester Black wrote: Since no one has given any good reasons why Sora can win, this victory goes to Laharl.

Actually, as I’ve mentioned they’d give reasons why Laharl would lose though you’ll keep arguing after you’ve lost.

Manchester Black wrote:

Cid wrote:
Dude, before that tell me who do you think is right? Be completely honest and don’t be biased, if you think Cloud is right just say it.

In my honest opinion I do see the FF characters as being weakened. I mean if Cloud had all his materia and could summon that would make him almost impossible to beat. He doesn’t even use all his limit breaks. Plus not sure if its canon or not but in the KH manga when Cloud and Sora fought in the Collosium, Sora was talking about how he was going to beat Cloud, the next panel Sora is on the ground and Cloud has his sword above him. Infact the only reason he let him go was because he is the Keyblade Master. That tells me that Cloud is holding back.

Cloud wrote: You know, I can’t help but laugh every time I read one of your posts about someone who you apparently don’t know jack shit about. Cloud would get owned by Sora. Reason? You claim he was weakened in Kingdom Hearts. Alright, Sora spanked him in his Base Form. Base Form > Valor Form > Master Form > Final Form. Not to mention Sora’s weapons hold phenomenal power, as stated in one of the Ansem Reports. Oh, did I mention Sora took on 4 Final Fantasy characters at the same time? FF characters did not have access to materia; Sora didn’t use any Magic techniques, Limits, or Summons. FF characters deal more damage in their original games than in Kingdom Hearts. I’m going to say that a hit from the Buster Sword or the Lionhart is next to nothing compared to an attack from the Keyblade. You think Cloud can take the Greek Titans? Hercules? How about Hades? Hell, Cloud would get his ass whooped by Xemnas. Yes, he would lose horribly to Xemnas. Also, don’t think of using damage points in your argument. How much points of damage FF characters deal aren’t quite relevant, since Wakka can deal over 99,000 points of damage with a blitzball, that I know is no harder than a soccer ball. As for Link, I don’t see beating him as a problem, if you think Link can beat Sora.

Please read this. Also, I’m not counting KH manga as canon since what you’ve just said proves irrelevant to the story. Cloud was mauled by Cerberus who Sora killed. Sora was at around level 13 I believe at the time he did it.

It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Excuse me while I teach this noob a lesson.

Cid wrote: Jenova is the Dark Harbinger, the scourge of the planet, ect. Jenova is the very essence of Darkness, that’s what Vincent said in Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus.

Jenova is a Dark being yes, but she’s not the darkness in people’s hearts. That’s why Cloud’s darkness is not his Jenova cells.

Cid wrote: It doesn’t make sense because you never played the game.

Considering you haven’t played KH2, you wouldn’t know that Sephiroth is imperishable to all but Cloud.

Cid wrote: FFVII explains very clearly that Sephiroth draws power from J-Cells, it’s how he controlled the Sephiroth clones and it’s probably how he controlled Cloud.

I don’t see how this relates to the subject.

Cid wrote: It’s actually very simple, Cloud had the help of all his friend, they cheered him on and even helped out in the fight. If it wasn’t for them Cloud would have lost to Jenova’s imitation of Sephiroth.

That doesn’t prove Sora and his friends couldn’t accomplish that.

Cid wrote: Now was I biased? Nope not in the least.

That’s pretty funny, because you’ve been biased since the day I met you.

Cid wrote: No, I was annoyed because you were ignoring the article I posted.

You didn’t post an article.

Cid wrote: I didn’t insult you at all, in fact I’ve probably insulted you 10 times sense I’ve known you, whereas you insult me in just about every post.

Way off. I mildly insult you when you say things that are purely biased or completely retarded.

Cid wrote: I don’t let people use non-canon shit on me whether it be KH (yes to the stories of the FF games, it’s non-canon I proved this when I proved that the FF characters in KH were alternate dimension versions.)

They’re created equally in both games. You have yet to accept that.

Cid wrote: or DBGT.

People only consider it to be noncanon. Also, I don’t use GT in my arguments since there’s pretty much no point in using it.

Cid wrote: I know that already, it’s just the fact that I hate having to admit I wrong just to get somebody to stop bitching at me. I’m not doing it this time, I KNOW I’m right and I’ll argue until you or SA-X has to ban me.

In this particular subject, you weren’t even close to being right.

Cid wrote: NO I’m not like you.

I agree. You aren’t.

Cid wrote: I don’t bitch at somebody because their opinion contradicts yours.

That’s what you’re most known for.

Cid wrote: I’ve already proven that I’m right about what I say,

Somehow in your mind, you did.

Cid wrote: I was just waiting for Yusif to have to leave so I can get a break before owning him again tomorrow.

It’s funny that you think you’re owning him when he’s actually owning you.

Cid wrote: lol the problem is, even though Tifa gave Cloud her light, Sephiroth will still come back because of Jenova. you just wait and see, he’ll be back in KH3 along with Cloud.

Now make this correct and change “Jenova” to “Cloud’s darkness”.

Cid wrote: Why is it you left out the other synonyms? Outstanding is a synonym and it doesn’t mean unmatched.

It can. It can also go the other way.

Cid wrote: This shows that you only use things that work to your favor and thus proves that you’re biased.

Lol this is coming from a person who tried proving the KH2 Sephiroth is weaker than the one in FF7, due to the fact the Sephiroth in KH can’t do Super Nova, then saying later on in a different topic that the Super Nova was completely fake. This is also coming from the person who said Sora could defeat Cloud in the Kingdom Hearts series because Cloud was powered down in the game, then later argued that Sora couldn’t defeat Cloud in KH2 since Sora couldn’t defeat Sephiroth; Ironic isn’t it since, Sora beats them in both games, then says KH2 Sephiroth is invinicible to all but Cloud since no one in KH2 is as powerful as Cloud. I’ll I’m going to say is your quotes make me laugh. Also, what I said is correct. If a weapon is phenomenal, it is extraordinary. As obvious as it is, Keyblades are the strongest weapons in Kingdom Hearts. Therefore, they are unmatched.

Cid wrote: YES FINALLY SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT!

That quote was countered just a while ago.

Cid wrote: you know good and well that Yusif thinks that Sora can beat Laharl.

I don’t see how him thinking Sora can beat Laharl is any different than you thinking Link can beat Laharl. Not saying Sora can’t accomplish that, since I know for a fact Sora would kick Link’s ass.

Cid wrote: Oh and all your other stuff also doesn’t matter because only I and my buddies think that you’re wrong.

Exactly.

Cid wrote: Me and all my buddies are against you now Yusif, with us saying you’re wrong how can you still say you’re right?

I can say I’m right since it doesn’t matter what your opinion is. It’s not significant and doesn’t make what I say any more true.

Cid wrote: What about the actual Apocalypse? It’s name basically means widespread destruction

“The Keyblade is said to hold phenomenal power. One legend says its wielder saved the world, while another says he wrought chaos and ruin upon it." - Ansem Report 9.

Cid wrote: Yeah as far as I’m concerned the argument was over before it even began.

Not only does that sound dumb, but it seems you’re that much of a fanboy to think Sora loses to Laharl when you think Link would hold his own. That’s really pathetic.

Cid wrote: seeing Yusif squirm was fun, but I think it’s time for me to take my leave.

He recently owned you actually. Go read his latest post and see why.

Cid wrote: Yusif came in bitching at me in true fanboy manner, because I said Cloud could beat Sora.

Actually, you just described what you tend to do whenever he supports his arguments or proves you wrong on something.

Cid wrote: Well my opinion doesn’t matter now does it?

As I’ve already said, no.

Cid wrote: I can’t speak for him, but I can probably give you a rundown on what his argument would be. He uses the same stuff in every versus match.

In every topic where the character’s involved. That makes sense since a character’s powers and abilities should be mentioned in any topic that they’re in. Where has your mind gone?

Atresac wrote: It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Yeah I’d edit that before he bitched at you too

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Cid wrote:

Cloud wrote:

Cid wrote:

NEREVAR117 wrote: Ok, i don’t know much about FF and KH cuz i think they are boring, but if i am correct, the FF characters were powered down in KH so they would be easier to beat?

Much easier in fact, and the sad thing is Sora still can’t beat a Sephiroth that is roughly 30 times weaker than Safer Sephiroth in FF7 whom which Cloud tore apart.

This just proves how much of a biased fanboy you are. For starters, the Super Nova would wipe out Cloud, Tifa, Vincent, Yuffie, Zack, etc. You have no proof to say Final Fantasy characters are much easier to beat. Also again, Sora went easy on them. It seems you want think Sora is supposedly a wimp because he seems “little”. Let’s see he is 15. Squall is 17, Yuffie Kisaragi is 16, and Cloud and Tifa are 20. Just to clarify.

Dude, you don’t know enough about Final Fantasy VII to even speak of it like that. I clarified in that Sephiroth vs Samus/MC/Freeman/Flynn thread that the SuperNova isn’t a real attack, and if you’d actually read other people’s post then you’d know that.

Whatever. I don’t see how you can prove Cloud can beat Safer Sephiroth yet Sora can’t. Oh wait, you’ll just say false shit like you always do. Go ahead, post all your false shit right now.

Cid wrote:

MetaHybrid wrote: You’d be more credible Cloud, if you stopped throwing insults around. Just saying. Not sure if Cid is doing the same.

People only start throwing insults when they’re backed into a corner. Anyway, to the point of the topic, due to Laharl’s immense abilities he’d probably win, being able to destroy the planet just isn’t fair. I couldn’t even truly counter that in the Link vs Laharl thread.

Cid wrote: Fucking Hell, I posted a fucking article proving they were weaker versions.

Seems you were backed up in a corner there.

Ha, I don’t give a shit. He bitches at me anyway. Cloud has a tendency of considering the non-canon as canon only if it is in his favor, as shown... everywhere.

Cloud wrote: Whatever. I don’t see how you can prove Cloud can beat Safer Sephiroth yet Sora can’t.

It’s actually very simple, Cloud had the help of all his friend, they cheered him on and even helped out in the fight. If it wasn’t for them Cloud would have lost to Jenova’s imitation of Sephiroth.

Cloud wrote: Oh wait, you’ll just say biased shit like you always do. Go ahead, post all your biased shit right now.

Now was I biased? Nope not in the least.

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Cloud wrote:

Cid wrote:

MetaHybrid wrote: You’d be more credible Cloud, if you stopped throwing insults around. Just saying. Not sure if Cid is doing the same.

People only start throwing insults when they’re backed into a corner. Anyway, to the point of the topic, due to Laharl’s immense abilities he’d probably win, being able to destroy the planet just isn’t fair. I couldn’t even truly counter that in the Link vs Laharl thread.

Cid wrote: Fucking Hell, I posted a fucking article proving they were weaker versions.

Seems you were backed up in a corner there.

No, I was annoyed because you were ignoring the article I posted. I didn’t insult you at all, in fact I’ve probably insulted you 10 times sense I’ve known you, whereas you insult me in just about every post.

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Cid wrote:

Atresac wrote: It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Yeah I’d edit that before he bitched at you too

I wouldn’t.
And Cid, your not gonna get anywhere with this guy. Nothing you say is gonna help.

Atresac wrote: The only people who have called me biased are you, your friends who are just as thick-headed as you,

I know you didn’t just call me thick-headed when you’ve proven countless times how dense and stupid you are. Also, everyone who has called you biased are people that I know and don’t know online. Neither are they stubborn like you.

Atresac wrote: Ultima (I’m a fanboy of whatever is in my avatar, yet he isn’t a DBZ fanboy. Go figure),

There is a difference between a fan and a fanboy. For instance, UltimaLegend is a DBZ fan, whereas you are a fanboy of trogdor. A fanboy is someone who refuses to accept undisputable facts. For example, you refuse to accept the fact that Goku has unlimited power, strength, and durability. The type of thing a fanboy would say is that trogdor could own anybody, even though he gets screwed by knights. You are also a fanboy since you most likely think Ratchet and Jak can defeat Goku.

Atresac wrote: Loca-Maca, and PS3 Fan, who pretty much doesn’t count because he calls anyone who disagrees with him a fanboy.

Not at all. He calls a select few fanboys since those are usually what he has to put up with. Most of his posts are links that prove what he says.

Atresac wrote: Come to think of it he reminds me of you.

I find this funny since you think everyone that doesn’t agree with you is a fanboy.

Atresac wrote: Ha, I don’t give a shit. He bitches at me anyway. Cloud has a tendency of considering the non-canon as canon only if it is in his favor, as shown... everywhere.

I see by your defintion of “bitch”, you’ve bitched 6,337 times and I’ve “bitched” 1,407 times. Also, I just proved how KH manga isn’t canon. In fact, there are enemies in the manga who don’t even make an appearance in the game. Like this one fat bald guy in a black costume.

Atresac wrote: Yes, but he may need to pull his head out to make room.

Unlike you, my head is where it’s supposed to be.

Cloud wrote:

Cid wrote:

MetaHybrid wrote: You’d be more credible Cloud, if you stopped throwing insults around. Just saying. Not sure if Cid is doing the same.

People only start throwing insults when they’re backed into a corner. Anyway, to the point of the topic, due to Laharl’s immense abilities he’d probably win, being able to destroy the planet just isn’t fair. I couldn’t even truly counter that in the Link vs Laharl thread.

Cid wrote: Fucking Hell, I posted a fucking article proving they were weaker versions.

Seems you were backed up in a corner there.

Yeah, he was only swearing, not throwing insults.

Atresac wrote: Ha, I don’t give a shit. He bitches at me anyway. Cloud has a tendency of considering the non-canon as canon only if it is in his favor, as shown... everywhere.

Bah... If he ever tried that on me... well it wouldn’t work, I don’t let people use non-canon shit on me whether it be KH (yes to the stories of the FF games, it’s non-canon I proved this when I proved that the FF characters in KH were alternate dimension versions.) or DBGT.

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