Laharl vs Sora

RageOverdose wrote: No, seriously. Why the hell are you guys arguing over Cloud vs. Sora? Not even the point of the thread...

Cid is the one who fanboyishly stated Cloud would kick Sora’s ass even though Sora owns him constantly.

RageOverdose wrote: Cloud would win anyway, based on this: Xemnas < Sephiroth

Actually, I’d say they’re about matched.

RageOverdose wrote: Sora = or > Xemnas

Yeah, that made sense.

RageOverdose wrote: Cloud = Sephiroth (Based on KHII)

Actually, no. Sephiroth is more powerful than Cloud although Cloud could take him.

RageOverdose wrote: That’s just KH Cloud. The FFVII Cloud is more powerful, as he fought a god (Safer Sephiroth) and won.

Nope. KH Cloud and FF7 Cloud are just about the same. In fact, what Cloud’s shown to do in KH shows that he is more powerful than he is in FF7. Take a look: http://youtube.com/watch?v=WigegMOMDYg. Just the energy flowing through him and the fact he can fly in KH and not in FF7 shows that he’s stronger in KH. Also, Safer Sephiroth could get pwned by Tifa and Cid who I know don’t stand a chance against Sora.

RageOverdose wrote: There’s also the various Weapons, all of which are as strong as, if not more powerful, than Sephiroth.

Oh yeah, that’s credible.

RageOverdose wrote: Also, since Cloud has Mako and Jenova infused cells within him, and has the ability to control it, his classification of power is on par with Sephiroth’s (godlike).

No. Cloud has Jenova cells though he is not on the same level as Sephiroth. Sephiroth is a lot more powerful that him since his attacks are more destructive. Added with the fact he can control things with his mind and has the Legendary Masamune, which I know for a fact is more powerful than Cloud’s arsenal. Cloud is nowhere near the level of a god, either.

RageOverdose wrote: The only thing stopping him from being a god is lacking the power of Lifesream, which Sephiroth controlled while in the Northern Crater (as he was closest to it).

You seem to not know how powerful a god is.

RageOverdose wrote: Actually, the definition of phenomenal, based on your definitions, could mean either: Unmatched, Uprecendented, Unparalleled.

Seeing as it’s unmatched, it would mean all of those.

RageOverdose wrote: In fact, if you think about it, nothing you said describes it as the strongest in existence.

Again, it’s phenomenal and unmatched in the game. Nonetheless, it’s a very powerful weapon.

RageOverdose wrote: Ragnarök, Cloud’s 2nd best weapon. The blade’s name comes from Norse mythology, which essentially dubs it a godly weapon. Ragnarök, while actually an event, can be representative of a weapon of apocalyptic abilities, and the Ultima Weapon is likely beyond that even, seeing as it is spawned from Ultima himself, who is VERY powerful.

Lol. Then I guess that means “Ragnarok” is a godly limit of Sora’s. Also, Ultima Weapon is just one weapon Sora has. Just about all the weapons in the game are considered phenomenal.

RageOverdose wrote: The Cloud I refer to from now on is FFVII Cloud: Cloud has a few spells that would, in fact, stop Sora’s Reflect spree. There is DeBarrier, but, Sora’s Reflect comes and goes so quickly its almost useless. So, when Sora is drained of MP, cast Silence. Now that Sora is muted, he is unable to use any form of magic spells, this includes Summons.

You must’ve forgotten that Sora’s MP replenishes constantly.

RageOverdose wrote: Cloud also has Reflect, which is passive and not for a second. After casting Wall, Haste, and any other good buffs, he could cast Reflect on himself to protect him from magic.

Technically, Sora’s Reflega does not have to last for a second. It can last longer if he chooses, since he’s the one casting it. Wall: Not much different. Haste: All I’m going to say is Sora’s speed in Anti-Form > Cloud’s speed with Haste.

RageOverdose wrote: He’s not the one defending Sora at every turn.

He’s the one defending Link at every turn. Also, I know some characters who can beat Sora.

Atresac wrote: It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Actually, I’m owning Cid right now.

Totalitus wrote:

Cid wrote:

Atresac wrote: It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Yeah I’d edit that before he bitched at you too

I wouldn’t.
And Cid, your not gonna get anywhere with this guy. Nothing you say is gonna help.

I know that already, it’s just the fact that I hate having to admit I wrong just to get somebody to stop bitching at me. I’m not doing it this time, I KNOW I’m right and I’ll argue until you or SA-X has to ban me.

Rise of Shinra

Cloud wrote:

Atresac wrote: It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Actually, I’m just outnumbered by a couple of fanboys who like to stick together. I mean Weeman, Atresac, and Cid? How many times have I heard people call you guys fanboys and biased idiots? Many times.

Many times...by you. But that just about it.

Cloud wrote:

Atresac wrote: Ha, I don’t give a shit. He bitches at me anyway. Cloud has a tendency of considering the non-canon as canon only if it is in his favor, as shown... everywhere.

I see by your defintion of “bitch”, you’ve bitched 6,337 times and I’ve “bitched” 1,407 times. Also, I just proved how KH manga isn’t canon. In fact, there are enemies in the manga who don’t even make an appearance in the game. Like this one fat bald guy in a black costume.

You consider GT canon even though it has the same readability as the KH manga. Not made by the original author, characters that were not in the original.

Yet you consider GT canon in your arguments for 1 reason: it helps you. You can use the SS4 card, the immortal card, anything you want, because you consider it canon.

And yet this manga, under pretty much the same circumstances as GT, isn’t canon. Why? Because it screws you over.

Weetard wrote: Cid your not gonna get anywhere with this guy. Nothing you say is gonna help.

For once, I actually agree with you.

Weetard wrote: I wouldn’t.

I wonder why.

Weetard wrote: Many times by you. But that just about it.

PS3 Fan, PS3 Fan 4, Deathspartan117, Riku, Sabulka, Karkar, Syphon Pro, SCT, the21gamer, UltimaLegendReborn, Cloud 9, etc.

Weetard wrote: In my eyes, a biased fanboy is anyone who tries to support their arguments.

I can see why.

Atresac wrote:

Weetard wrote: In my eyes, a biased fanboy is anyone who tries to support their arguments.

no, more like anyone who just disagrees, despite their facts.

That’s obvious.

Weetard wrote: When I lose, I don’t admit it. I just stop posting.

This is true.

Weetard wrote:

Cid wrote: Well my opinion doesn’t matter now does it?

I guess not...

That’s because it’s insignificant.

Cid wrote:

Atresac wrote: It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Yeah I’d edit that before he bitched at you too

I guess I should edit the posts I did within the last 2 minutes before you bitch at me, again.

Cloud wrote: I mean Weeman, Atresac, and Cid?

Go find me one post that isn’t by you or a Nintendo hater when I’ve been called a biased fanboy, oh wait you can’t! Wanna know why? Because I’m one of the most unbiased people on this website.

Rise of Shinra

Cloud wrote:

Atresac wrote: It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Actually, I’m just outnumbered by a couple of fanboys who like to stick together. I mean Weeman, Atresac, and Cid? How many times have I heard people call you guys fanboys and biased idiots? Many times.

The only people who have called me biased are you, your friends who are just as thick-headed as you, Ultima (I’m a fanboy of whatever is in my avatar, yet he isn’t a DBZ fanboy. Go figure), Loca-Maca, and PS3 Fan, who pretty much doesn’t count because he calls anyone who disagrees with him a fanboy. Come to think of it he reminds me of you.

Cloud wrote:

Cid wrote:

Atresac wrote: It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Yeah I’d edit that before he bitched at you too

I guess I should edit the posts I did within the last 2 minutes before you bitch at me, again.

Yeah... NO I’m not like you

I don’t bitch at somebody because their opinion contradicts yours.

Rise of Shinra

Really, we should have a tier list or something in this forum. I think that would speed up these versus debates alot.

Of course if we look at this topic alone for a idea of figuring out who goes where on the list. Then making a tier list would probably spell doom for the entire cosmos :P

Hey Cloud, can I make a suggestion for a purchase for you?



It’s called an anal impaler, buy one and finally get bent.

Atresac wrote: Hey Cloud, can I make a suggestion for a purchase for you?



It’s called an anal impaler, buy one and finally get bent.

lol maybe it’ll mellow him out a bit

Rise of Shinra

Cid wrote:

Atresac wrote: Hey Cloud, can I make a suggestion for a purchase for you?



It’s called an anal impaler, buy one and finally get bent.

lol maybe it’ll mellow him out a bit

Yes, but he may need to pull his head out to make room.

heh

Rise of Shinra

Cloud wrote: You know, I can’t help but laugh every time I read one of your posts about someone who you apparently don’t know jack shit about. Cloud would get owned by Sora. Reason? You claim he was weakened in Kingdom Hearts. Alright, Sora spanked him in his Base Form. Base Form > Valor Form > Master Form > Final Form.

Yes this is true.

Cloud wrote:
Not to mention Sora’s weapons hold phenomenal power, as stated in one of the Ansem Reports.

True I remeber reading them.

Cloud wrote:
Oh, did I mention Sora took on 4 Final Fantasy characters at the same time? FF characters did not have access to materia; Sora didn’t use any Magic techniques, Limits, or Summons.

If Cloud, Tifa, Yuffie, and Squall battled final form Sora with no limits and they also had no limits, I don’t see Sora survivng.

Cloud wrote:
FF characters deal more damage in their original games than in Kingdom Hearts. I’m going to say that a hit from the Buster Sword or the Lionhart is next to nothing compared to an attack from the Keyblade.

I can’t say much for Lionhart but Clouds buster sword is able to cut buildings just like Sora’s keyblade. The only reason I’d say the Keyblade is better is because its a legendary magical weapon.

Cloud wrote:
You think Cloud can take the Greek Titans? Hercules? How about Hades?

I think he actually could if he had all his limit breaks, materia, and summons.

Cloud wrote:
Hell, Cloud would get his ass whooped by Xemnas. Yes, he would lose horribly to Xemnas.

About this, while I agree, Sora himself wasn’t able to handle Xemnas after he transformed without the aid of Riku. The only form he fought alone was regular Xemnas.

Cloud wrote:
Also, don’t think of using damage points in your argument. How much points of damage FF characters deal aren’t quite relevant, since Wakka can deal over 99,000 points of damage with a blitzball, that I know is no harder than a soccer ball. As for Link, I don’t see beating him as a problem, if you think Link can beat Sora.

I somewhat agree with the point thing.

Cloud wrote:
Please read this.Also, I’m not counting KH manga as canon since what you’ve just said proves irrelevant to the story. Cloud was mauled by Cerberus who Sora killed. Sora was at around level 13 I believe at the time he did it.

Remeber Sora beat a weared down Cerberus with the aid of Donald and Goofy. Of course he owns him now but not at first.

Atresac wrote:

Cloud wrote:

Atresac wrote: Ha, I don’t give a shit. He bitches at me anyway. Cloud has a tendency of considering the non-canon as canon only if it is in his favor, as shown... everywhere.

I see by your defintion of “bitch”, you’ve bitched 6,337 times and I’ve “bitched” 1,407 times. Also, I just proved how KH manga isn’t canon. In fact, there are enemies in the manga who don’t even make an appearance in the game. Like this one fat bald guy in a black costume.

You consider GT canon even though it has the same readability as the KH manga. Not made by the original author, characters that were not in the original.

Even though you like to ignore what I’ve said in the Goku vs Superman topic, saying it was canon since the link to DB canon stated clearly that GT was officially canon. It has been like that for months. KH Manga is non-canon because it goes directly against the story of KH. GT was a continuation of DBZ.

Atresac wrote: Yet you consider GT canon in your arguments for 1 reason: it helps you.

At the time the Encyclopedia said it was canon, I used it. There’s no need to use GT at all since Goku can get advantages from Z as he can in GT.

Atresac wrote: You can use the SS4 card, the immortal card, anything you want, because you consider it canon.

Well it’s not like Frieza and Vegeta almost reached the goal of becoming immortal and invincible in DBZ since they can’t become that oh wait they can.

Atresac wrote: And yet this manga, under pretty much the same circumstances as GT, isn’t canon. Why? Because it screws you over.

Read above to see how you’re a jackass, no offense pal.

Cid wrote:

Totalitus wrote:

Cid wrote:

Atresac wrote: It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Yeah I’d edit that before he bitched at you too

I wouldn’t.
And Cid, your not gonna get anywhere with this guy. Nothing you say is gonna help.

I know that already, it’s just the fact that I hate having to admit I wrong just to get somebody to stop bitching at me. I’m not doing it this time, I KNOW I’m right and I’ll argue until you or SA-X has to ban me.

Expect to argue for a long time then cus I have no plans on banning you.

Totalitus wrote:

Cid wrote:

Totalitus wrote:

Cid wrote:

Atresac wrote: It’s funny watching yuisf get owned constantly.

Yeah I’d edit that before he bitched at you too

I wouldn’t.
And Cid, your not gonna get anywhere with this guy. Nothing you say is gonna help.

I know that already, it’s just the fact that I hate having to admit I wrong just to get somebody to stop bitching at me. I’m not doing it this time, I KNOW I’m right and I’ll argue until you or SA-X has to ban me.

Expect to argue for a long time then cus I have no plans on banning you.

That’s what I would expect

Rise of Shinra

I don’t think either are going to give up.

Atresac wrote: I don’t think either are going to give up.

I’ve already proven that I’m right about what I say, I was just waiting for Yusif to have to leave so I can get a break before owning him again tomorrow. (if he posts again)

Rise of Shinra

Cloud = Yusif?

Why did you make an alt?