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Michael Jai White vs Tony Jaa vs Scott Adkins vs Donnie Yen READ FIRST

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Sheko the Reaper wrote:
Wrong.

I said Tony wins via training in a combat sport, which trumps form-heavy martial arts. Any fighter knows this. I never said he won via strength or speed.

I asked you to prove he is worth a damn out of Chinese martial arts. I want to see what makes him an expert in anything that would stand up to muay thai in a combat scenario. Which really is only boxing + kick defense, BJJ, wrestling and karate + live fight experience (non of that tournament crap where they don’t even strike the head).



So...I am waiting for you to prove it.
Tony Jaa wins training in combat sport? Didn’t Tony Jaa also do tournament? When did he ever fight in real life?

Donnie Yen is actually known for practicing MMA, Chinese martial arts, etc. =/
He’s constantly shown this in many of his movies and biographies, trainings, etc.

And Tony Jaa is better than Donnie Yen in muay thai? O.o
Just because Tony Jaa made a movie about muay thai (which was mostly really all fake techniques) doesn’t mean he’s a muay thai champion fighter or have any fight experience.


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jonnty6 wrote: wait whoa whoa calm down people lol lets not forget im not saying “debate which fighting form is better than the rest” lol read the scenario’s and as for the “bone breaking” feat I said “use feats from movies except for spawn” so yeah it may look alil fake but its allowed for this fight that is IF any of the three allows tony to break em lol


Wait, so we’re envisioning their on-camera characters as the one’s who are fighting?


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Sheko the Reaper wrote:

jonnty6 wrote: wait whoa whoa calm down people lol lets not forget im not saying “debate which fighting form is better than the rest” lol read the scenario’s and as for the “bone breaking” feat I said “use feats from movies except for spawn” so yeah it may look alil fake but its allowed for this fight that is IF any of the three allows tony to break em lol


Wait, so we’re envisioning their on-camera characters as the one’s who are fighting?

Pretty much lol whatever fighting style they use in movies n shit lol does that make alil sense???


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JayDragonBallZ wrote:

Sheko the Reaper wrote:
Wrong.

I said Tony wins via training in a combat sport, which trumps form-heavy martial arts. Any fighter knows this. I never said he won via strength or speed.

I asked you to prove he is worth a damn out of Chinese martial arts. I want to see what makes him an expert in anything that would stand up to muay thai in a combat scenario. Which really is only boxing + kick defense, BJJ, wrestling and karate + live fight experience (non of that tournament crap where they don’t even strike the head).



So...I am waiting for you to prove it.
Tony Jaa wins training in combat sport? Didn’t Tony Jaa also do tournament? When did he ever fight in real life?

Donnie Yen is actually known for practicing MMA, Chinese martial arts, etc. =/
He’s constantly shown this in many of his movies and biographies, trainings, etc.

And Tony Jaa is better than Donnie Yen in muay thai? O.o
Just because Tony Jaa made a movie about muay thai (which was mostly really all fake techniques) doesn’t mean he’s a muay thai champion fighter or have any fight experience.


Wow, you know jack-shit about fighting beyond movies, huh?

I actually asked you to prove the shit you’re spewing about Donnie a long time ago and you still haven’t. Prove he knows ANYTHING. I want to see some record of his awesome MMA experience you keep bringing up.

Tony trained in muay thai, which is a combat sport. Again, your ignorance is showing. When you train in muay thai, you train to fight, which means serious sparring, especially in Thailand. Now, take training in kung fu or taekwondo, you have 'sparring' that involves a shit ton of protective gear and lightly striking your opponent. Most thai fighters could walk through your standard McDojo without breaking a sweat because they don’t have that 'live' experience to be combat viable.

I’m still waiting on any evidence about Donnie’s superb fighting prowess. How about just the boxing? How long did he train in boxing? That’s a combat sport. Inferior to muay thai, but it’s better than a chinese martial art. Please, link me to the info regarding his boxing experience.

Yes, Tony Jaa is a better muay thai fighter than Donnie. As far as I know, at this point, Donnie doesn’t know anything because you can’t back up your claims. Jaa was a thai fighter before he made movies focusing mostly on muay boran. And again, if you train muay thai in Thailand, you have fight experience. Real fight experience, with full contact.


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jonnty6 wrote:

Sheko the Reaper wrote:

jonnty6 wrote: wait whoa whoa calm down people lol lets not forget im not saying “debate which fighting form is better than the rest” lol read the scenario’s and as for the “bone breaking” feat I said “use feats from movies except for spawn” so yeah it may look alil fake but its allowed for this fight that is IF any of the three allows tony to break em lol


Wait, so we’re envisioning their on-camera characters as the one’s who are fighting?

Pretty much lol whatever fighting style they use in movies n shit lol does that make alil sense???


Well in that case Jaa still wins via Ong Bak 2 and 3, where he masters just about every martial art in Asia and beats bad guys with magical powers.


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Sheko the Reaper wrote:

JayDragonBallZ wrote:

Sheko the Reaper wrote: Here’s an MMA fighter getting done in by a thai fighter. On paper, the MMA fighter should be the better figher, right? Granted, he’s not performing take-downs, but why doesn’t his other expertise overpower muay thai? Because when it comes to striking, no combination of arts will trump it, one can only match it.

Here’s Buakaw messing with a practitioner of Sun Tao(Kung Fu) until knocking him out in the end.
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Cool, you showed me a no-named MMA fighter.
Try finding the best muay thai fighter vs best mma fighter.

Who’s Buakaw?

P.S.
Did you know MMA fighters also does muay thai? Anderson Silva is one of the best examples.


I showed you two fighters around the same age, both fighting for long periods of their life. That’s as close as you’re going to get. You think Donnie is a top MMA fighter? I must have missed all of his matches.

You don’t follow competitive fighting, do you?

Silva is a household name. Terrible name-drop, and you’re only proving my point: Jaa wrecks all of these faggots via muay thai.



Are you really hearing yourself?
Maybe you should look at the things you write because right now you sound like a dumb ass.

I’ve never said Donnie is a top MMA fighter. I said he “practices” MMA.

All you gotta prove is if Tony Jaa had more “experience” in fighting and more years of training (You won’t be able to prove it because Donnie Yen trainer longer and trained when he was younger as well).
You also gotta prove he’s faster (which he isn’t), stronger, etc.

And finally, you gotta prove that Tony Jaa is a “top” Muay Thai fighter as well and did “real fights”.


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Cool. Tony Jaa practices muay thai, a real combat sport. Thanks for that bit of knowledge. I didn’t catch it the first couple of times.
Again I ask what this proves. Does it prove that he is a better striker than Donnie? a better fighter? a faster fighter?
You want him to show you proof that Donnie can actually fight?
Well give me a second while i find a video/scan of Donnie yen locked in an actual fight with some other character. Jeez

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None of these guys are putting down Mike.


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Sheko the Reaper wrote:
Well in that case Jaa still wins via Ong Bak 2 and 3, where he masters just about every martial art in Asia and beats bad guys with magical powers.



There’s this one movie where Donnie Yen is the monkey king and he can make a clone with a single strand of his hair and he can literally fly and fight and there’s also other movies where he shatters solid concrete grounds and walls just by running on it.


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JayDragonBallZ wrote:

Sheko the Reaper wrote:

JayDragonBallZ wrote:

Sheko the Reaper wrote: Here’s an MMA fighter getting done in by a thai fighter. On paper, the MMA fighter should be the better figher, right? Granted, he’s not performing take-downs, but why doesn’t his other expertise overpower muay thai? Because when it comes to striking, no combination of arts will trump it, one can only match it.

Here’s Buakaw messing with a practitioner of Sun Tao(Kung Fu) until knocking him out in the end.
]



Cool, you showed me a no-named MMA fighter.
Try finding the best muay thai fighter vs best mma fighter.

Who’s Buakaw?

P.S.
Did you know MMA fighters also does muay thai? Anderson Silva is one of the best examples.


I showed you two fighters around the same age, both fighting for long periods of their life. That’s as close as you’re going to get. You think Donnie is a top MMA fighter? I must have missed all of his matches.

You don’t follow competitive fighting, do you?

Silva is a household name. Terrible name-drop, and you’re only proving my point: Jaa wrecks all of these faggots via muay thai.



Are you really hearing yourself?
Maybe you should look at the things you write because right now you sound like a dumb ass.

I’ve never said Donnie is a top MMA fighter. I said he “practices” MMA.

All you gotta prove is if Tony Jaa had more “experience” in fighting and more years of training (You won’t be able to prove it because Donnie Yen trainer longer and trained when he was younger as well).
You also gotta prove he’s faster (which he isn’t), stronger, etc.

And finally, you gotta prove that Tony Jaa is a “top” Muay Thai fighter as well and did “real fights”.


Nope. I actually know what I’m talking about, which is why I can produce videos and sound arguments as to why a muay thai training lifestyle trumps your movie magic crap.

Again, with the quotes over practices. Are you implying he pretends to train in MMA? Are you a liar?

He started training when he was 10 years old. (Source: http://martialarts.about.com/od/martialartsculture/p/Biography-And-Profile-Of-Tony-Jaa.htm)

Now prove when Donnie started training, or admit to being autistic.

He also has more experience in fighting because training muay thai in Thailand is real fighting. They train like they fight and fight like they train. You would know that if you knew jack shit about competitive fighting.

Now prove that Donnie trained in real combat scenarios, or admit to being autistic.

Prove he’s stronger and faster? This is real life. This is not an anime. Put down your anime plush pillow and let’s talk the real deal.

Jaa is not a top muay thai fighter, which is fine, because he’s currently going up against traditional practitioners, which is a walk in the park. Again with the real fighting shit.

Here, let me educate you-

This is how kids train in Thailand-


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Sheko the Reaper wrote:
Nope. I actually know what I’m talking about, which is why I can produce videos and sound arguments as to why a muay thai training lifestyle trumps your movie magic crap.

Again, with the quotes over practices. Are you implying he pretends to train in MMA? Are you a liar?

He started training when he was 10 years old. (Source: http://martialarts.about.com/od/martialartsculture/p/Biography-And-Profile-Of-Tony-Jaa.htm)

Now prove when Donnie started training, or admit to being autistic.

He also has more experience in fighting because training muay thai in Thailand is real fighting. They train like they fight and fight like they train. You would know that if you knew jack shit about competitive fighting.

Now prove that Donnie trained in real combat scenarios, or admit to being autistic.

Prove he’s stronger and faster? This is real life. This is not an anime. Put down your anime plush pillow and let’s talk the real deal.

Jaa is not a top muay thai fighter, which is fine, because he’s currently going up against traditional practitioners, which is a walk in the park. Again with the real fighting shit.

Here, let me educate you-

This is how kids train in Thailand-
[youtube]_a-Q-q3sPS8[/youtube]



“Yen describes himself as a mixed martial artist, and this is evident from his style.[1] He learned wushu from a young age, under his mother’s tutelage. He then wanted to learn taekwondo in his teenage years, but never did.[25] When he was a teenager, he obtained a medal in a wushu competition held in the United States, known as Boston Combat Zone. At the time, the Beijing wushu team had a scout in the United States, and invited Yen over to Beijing, China, where he began training at the Beijing Sports Institute, the same facility where champion-turned actor Jet Li trained; this is where the two of them crossed paths for the first time.[26]
Yen later went on to discover and to seek knowledge on other martial arts style, he would later obtain belts from judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and went on to study the art of parkour, wrestling, Muay Thai, kickboxing and boxing under various trainers. His exposure of mixed martial arts (MMA) was heightened when he went back to the United States from 2000 to 2003, while making his Hollywood debut, he also took time off to learn the various martial arts form.[27] The progress was evident when he returned back to Asia, where he implemented his new found knowledge of MMA showcased in films such as SPL: Sha Po Lang (2005) and Flash Point (2007).
Near the end of 2007, Yen added a new martial arts system to his arsenal. He was offered the role of Wing Chun grandmaster and Bruce Lee’s mentor, Ip Man, in a 2008 film named after the grandmaster. He worked hard and studied Wing Chun under Ip Man’s eldest son, Ip Chun for 9 months before tackling the role.[28][29] Ip Chun has since praised Yen for his effort, and complimented that Yen is a great martial artist and a fast learner, and has managed to grasp the full concept of Wing Chun much faster than anyone he has taught.[30]
Yen believes in practical combat, and in his opinion, MMA is the most authentic type of practical combat. He has particular interest in the art of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and has obtained a purple belt.[31] He has mentioned that he would have entered the Octagon, joining the Ultimate Fighting Championship if he did not have a recurring shoulder injury.
Yen believes that combining many martial arts together will produce the most effective and harmonious style. Yen has said, “When you watch my films, you’re feeling my heart."

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Yen[/url]
[url]http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0947447/bio[/url]
[url]http://www.fightingmaster.com/actors/donnie_yen/index.htm[/url]

Donnie Yen “himself” is actually a MMA fighter and he is actually a purple belt in BJJ and he has been doing MMA and many other combat sports and Judo (including Muay Thai) for many years.

Not only that, he even thought of joining the UFC as well but couldn’t.

You think Donnie Yen only does chinese martial arts? What the hell are you smoking? (Even though he also mastered chinese martial arts as well and won too but that’s not the point).

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this is Donnie Yen were do for someone like Tony straight

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Tony Jaa Has a Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do..Is a Gold Medalist in Wushu/Gymnastics..and has had several fights without losing...YOU WANT A LINK FOR SOME EVIDENCE? How about seeing it come from the man himself? https://www.facebook.com/officialtonyjaa?fref=ts Ask him. And yes it really is him..He’s learning English. Already asked him..So i know the truth. Also Donnie Is a 6th Degree Black Belt in Take Kwon Do and a Black belt in judo...aswell as a gold medalist...but i know nothing of im getting in the ring...and Having a pro record. R.I.P Lau Kar Leung...(HE WOULD KICK EVERYONES ASS)

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Huh didn’t even know I made this thread either glare


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I go with either Tony Jaa or Scott Adkins.


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Donnie Yen VS Tony Jaa Vs Scott Adkins....Right well lets be honest all three of them have nothing but nice things to say about each other for instance Donnie Conciders Ong Bak to be not only a step forward in Martial Arts cinema but also the turning point for his career also..with Films like “Spl” & “Flash point” that followed since Boosting his popularity. Tony Jaa Has mentioned on his official Facebook Page That he thinks “Donnie is a great star” and That “you never know what life will bring on your door” when asked by a fan if he ever plans to collaborate with Yen He also hinted that he may have signed up to film In “Spl 2”..And on a similar note when a fan posted “Tony Jaa VS Scott Adkins” he (Tony Jaa) responded with “Better To be with him than against hes great”..Scott adkins however gave simmilar feedback while answering fan quetsions on video..a fan said “We would love to see a fight between Scott Adkins and Tony Jaa” Adkins asnwer was “So would I...He is the best who is doing it..him and Donnie Yen are the best right now..I would love to work with Tony Jaa but i wouldnt want to just turn up and get the shit kicked out of me..." I think between them we can only see who looks better on screen when there all on at the same time...That would be sick

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