ali would put a hurting on tyson, he’s got way more skill and ring generalship. ali fought 15 rds with joe fraizer 3 with a broken jaw. tyson fought chumps like spinks and tubbs and lost to another bum in buster dogulas. ali would keep him away with his jab and speed and frustrate tyson, like my man mr lewis did.
thanos420 wrote:
ali would put a hurting on tyson, he’s got way more skill and ring generalship. ali fought 15 rds with joe fraizer 3 with a broken jaw. tyson fought chumps like spinks and tubbs and lost to another bum in buster dogulas. ali would keep him away with his jab and speed and frustrate tyson, like my man mr lewis did.
You can’t keep someone away with a jab, unless you are a lot taller, or that person doesn’t have any fighting skills.
I have never seen anyone move like mike did in his prime. Sure, mikes not much of a fighter any more but in his prime, he would destroy ali. You only need to go on youtube, and watch both fighters in their prime, and you can see a huge difference, in power and skill. As for speed, ali isn’t very fast. I have no idea, why so many people keep bring up his speed, what speed?
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thanos420 wrote:
ali would put a hurting on tyson, he’s got way more skill and ring generalship. ali fought 15 rds with joe fraizer 3 with a broken jaw. tyson fought chumps like spinks and tubbs and lost to another bum in buster dogulas. ali would keep him away with his jab and speed and frustrate tyson, like my man mr lewis did.
You can’t keep someone away with a jab, unless you are a lot taller, or that person doesn’t have any fighting skills.
I have never seen anyone move like mike did in his prime. Sure, mikes not much of a fighter any more but in his prime, he would destroy ali. You only need to go on youtube, and watch both fighters in their prime, and you can see a huge difference, in power and skill. As for speed, ali isn’t very fast. I have no idea, why so many people keep bring up his speed, what speed?
Mike’s brawling style is ineffective against Ali’s out-fighting style.
thanos420 wrote:
ali would put a hurting on tyson, he’s got way more skill and ring generalship. ali fought 15 rds with joe fraizer 3 with a broken jaw. tyson fought chumps like spinks and tubbs and lost to another bum in buster dogulas. ali would keep him away with his jab and speed and frustrate tyson, like my man mr lewis did.
You can’t keep someone away with a jab, unless you are a lot taller, or that person doesn’t have any fighting skills.
I have never seen anyone move like mike did in his prime. Sure, mikes not much of a fighter any more but in his prime, he would destroy ali. You only need to go on youtube, and watch both fighters in their prime, and you can see a huge difference, in power and skill. As for speed, ali isn’t very fast. I have no idea, why so many people keep bring up his speed, what speed?
What! Ali isn’t fast?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPYPZc3vx3U
Besides Ali had way more stamina than Tyson ever did.
not fast huh, float like a butter fly, sting like a bee, even tyson tried to live by that. noone is on ali’s level, he boxed 15 rds, tyson tires after 8, power is in tyson’s favor, but he wouldn’t get in on ali, and if you think you can’t keep people away with a jab, then your mistaken, see pernell whititaker, everything starts with the jab, it’s called a reach advantage and ali has it over tyson.
King Boo wrote:
I hate people like that, when your beliefs are confined to a ridiculous book, then there is no hope for your soul.
Are you going to go back to the other topic, and tell me what you saw beyond science?
Dream of the Endless wrote:
Mike’s brawling style is ineffective against Ali’s out-fighting style.
Why don’t you type some more to show your ignorance about fighting.
Protagonist301 wrote:
What! Ali isn’t fast?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPYPZc3vx3U
Besides Ali had way more stamina than Tyson ever did.
Watch the video. He’s not moving fast at all.
thanos420 wrote:
not fast huh, float like a butter fly, sting like a bee, even tyson tried to live by that. noone is on ali’s level, he boxed 15 rds, tyson tires after 8, power is in tyson’s favor, but he wouldn’t get in on ali, and if you think you can’t keep people away with a jab, then your mistaken, see pernell whititaker, everything starts with the jab, it’s called a reach advantage and ali has it over tyson.
Read what I said, unless you are a lot taller than someone your jab will not keep them away. We are talking about in their primes. You want me to bring up how badly ali thought in his later years?
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yea cuz i thought reach had something to do with keeping ppl away with the jab. do you know fighting, and who brought up when they was old fool, prime tyson tires after 8 rds, or do you need to see that, it has nothing to do with being old, tyson’s fights lasted as long as dbz fights. buster douglas took him out in lada rounds, ali fought 15 rounds. tyson had power, but so didn’t george foreman, who was alot taller than ali. let tyson fight those calibur of people.
thanos420 wrote:
ali would put a hurting on tyson, he’s got way more skill and ring generalship. ali fought 15 rds with joe fraizer 3 with a broken jaw. tyson fought chumps like spinks and tubbs and lost to another bum in buster dogulas. ali would keep him away with his jab and speed and frustrate tyson, like my man mr lewis did.
You can’t keep someone away with a jab, unless you are a lot taller, or that person doesn’t have any fighting skills.
I have never seen anyone move like mike did in his prime. Sure, mikes not much of a fighter any more but in his prime, he would destroy ali. You only need to go on youtube, and watch both fighters in their prime, and you can see a huge difference, in power and skill. As for speed, ali isn´t very fast. I have no idea, why so many people keep bring up his speed, what speed?
That statement clearly shows that you have no knowledge of boxing.
thanos420 wrote:
ali would put a hurting on tyson, he’s got way more skill and ring generalship. ali fought 15 rds with joe fraizer 3 with a broken jaw. tyson fought chumps like spinks and tubbs and lost to another bum in buster dogulas. ali would keep him away with his jab and speed and frustrate tyson, like my man mr lewis did.
You can’t keep someone away with a jab, unless you are a lot taller, or that person doesn’t have any fighting skills.
I have never seen anyone move like mike did in his prime. Sure, mikes not much of a fighter any more but in his prime, he would destroy ali. You only need to go on youtube, and watch both fighters in their prime, and you can see a huge difference, in power and skill. As for speed, ali isn´t very fast. I have no idea, why so many people keep bring up his speed, what speed?
That statement clearly shows that you have no knowledge of boxing.
Because ali has never moved at the speed tyson had? Tyson loads up those hooks far to fast for anyone to dodge.
Get on a heavy bag and throw hooks like tyson does, they are fast and powerful, but they drain a lot of energy. Has ali ever thought anyone who can hit as hard as mike? (don’t just say someone does, find a video where this persons punching power, is clearly the same as mike) Has ali every thought anyone who can move at mikes prime speed? (again don’t just say a name show a video) Has ali every face anyone who could duck and weave like mike could in his prime? (same again)
thanos420 wrote:
yea cuz i thought reach had something to do with keeping ppl away with the jab. do you know fighting, and who brought up when they was old fool, prime tyson tires after 8 rds, or do you need to see that, it has nothing to do with being old, tyson’s fights lasted as long as dbz fights. buster douglas took him out in lada rounds, ali fought 15 rounds. tyson had power, but so didn’t george foreman, who was alot taller than ali. let tyson fight those calibur of people.
To even think this would go even 4 rounds is laughable. I see mike knocking ali out with one hit, first time ali gets in the dangerzone.
Show me one fight where ali moves with the speed and power Tyson has, in his prime.
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thanos420 wrote:
ali would put a hurting on tyson, he’s got way more skill and ring generalship. ali fought 15 rds with joe fraizer 3 with a broken jaw. tyson fought chumps like spinks and tubbs and lost to another bum in buster dogulas. ali would keep him away with his jab and speed and frustrate tyson, like my man mr lewis did.
You can’t keep someone away with a jab, unless you are a lot taller, or that person doesn’t have any fighting skills.
I have never seen anyone move like mike did in his prime. Sure, mikes not much of a fighter any more but in his prime, he would destroy ali. You only need to go on youtube, and watch both fighters in their prime, and you can see a huge difference, in power and skill. As for speed, ali isn´t very fast. I have no idea, why so many people keep bring up his speed, what speed?
That statement clearly shows that you have no knowledge of boxing.
Because ali has never moved at the speed tyson had? Tyson loads up those hooks far to fast for anyone to dodge.
Get on a heavy bag and throw hooks like tyson does, they are fast and powerful, but they drain a lot of energy. Has ali ever thought anyone who can hit as hard as mike? (don�t just say someone does, find a video where this persons punching power, is clearly the same as mike) Has ali every thought anyone who can move at mikes prime speed? (again don�t just say a name show a video) Has ali every face anyone who could duck and weave like mike could in his prime? (same again)
thanos420 wrote:
yea cuz i thought reach had something to do with keeping ppl away with the jab. do you know fighting, and who brought up when they was old fool, prime tyson tires after 8 rds, or do you need to see that, it has nothing to do with being old, tyson’s fights lasted as long as dbz fights. buster douglas took him out in lada rounds, ali fought 15 rounds. tyson had power, but so didn’t george foreman, who was alot taller than ali. let tyson fight those calibur of people.
To even think this would go even 4 rounds is laughable. I see mike knocking ali out with one hit, first time ali gets in the dangerzone.
Show me one fight where ali moves with the speed and power Tyson has, in his prime.
Ali punching speed:
Ali footwork:
And you´re forgetting that Ali never lost by KO!So what makes you think that he would lose by a KO from Tyson?He fought Fraizer for 15 rounds.He fought 3 rounds with a broken jaw and he still didn´t lose by KO(past his prime).So what makes you think Tyson would finish him in less than 4 rounds?
And you´re forgetting that Ali lost 3 of his prime years.
And maybe thos videos aren´t the best example of his skills,but since I don´t have an infinite time they will have to do.
RealTalker wrote:
And you´re forgetting that Ali never lost by KO!So what makes you think that he would lose by a KO from Tyson?He fought Fraizer for 15 rounds.He fought 3 rounds with a broken jaw and he still didn´t lose by KO(past his prime).So what makes you think Tyson would finish him in less than 4 rounds?
Show someone who hits like Tyson, and then your claim of no KO might be impressive. Fraizer was even slower then ali! Power, speed and well executed combinations; why else would I think Tyson could beat him in less than 4 rounds.
RealTalker wrote:
And you´re forgetting that Ali lost 3 of his prime years.
Yes I am, but this is no reason to inflate ali abilities.
RealTalker wrote:
And maybe thos videos aren´t the best example of his skills,but since I don´t have an infinite time they will have to do.
Your videos only prove my point. Ali has never thought anyone like Tyson.
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RealTalker wrote:
And you´re forgetting that Ali never lost by KO!So what makes you think that he would lose by a KO from Tyson?He fought Fraizer for 15 rounds.He fought 3 rounds with a broken jaw and he still didn´t lose by KO(past his prime).So what makes you think Tyson would finish him in less than 4 rounds?
Show someone who hits like Tyson, and then your claim of no KO might be impressive. Fraizer was even slower then ali! Power, speed and well executed combinations; why else would I think Tyson could beat him in less than 4 rounds.
RealTalker wrote:
And you´re forgetting that Ali lost 3 of his prime years.
Yes I am, but this is no reason to inflate ali abilities.
RealTalker wrote:
And maybe thos videos aren´t the best example of his skills,but since I don´t have an infinite time they will have to do.
Your videos only prove my point. Ali has never thought anyone like Tyson.
How could I show you someone who can hit like Tyson?We have no real facts of the punching power of the boxers of that era.We could well say Foreman had the punching power of Tyson.We could say Frazier has the equal punching power of Tyson.But can we prove he has?No.Can we prove he hasn´t?No.So that point is impossible to prove.As for speed show me Tyson fighting speed in a fight and not Shadowboxing.And plus there aren´t many examples of Ali´s punching speed since thechnology wasn´t advanced and the reporters didn´t follow the fighters every step.And the cameras were shitty.You would need to be there live to se the real thing.There you could see the real skills of a boxer.
What point?The videos aren´t showing his opponents.
Plus.Let me ask you something.Who do you think can take more punishment Ali or Mike?Since Pain tolerance is important in boxing so that could play a big role.
RealTalker wrote:
How could I show you someone who can hit like Tyson?We have no real facts of the punching power of the boxers of that era.We could well say Foreman had the punching power of Tyson.We could say Frazier has the equal punching power of Tyson.But can we prove he has?No.Can we prove he hasn´t?No.So that point is impossible to prove.As for speed show me Tyson fighting speed in a fight and not Shadowboxing.And plus there aren´t many examples of Ali´s punching speed since thechnology wasn´t advanced and the reporters didn´t follow the fighters every step.And the cameras were shitty.You would need to be there live to se the real thing.There you could see the real skills of a boxer.
What point?The videos aren´t showing his opponents.
Plus.Let me ask you something.Who do you think can take more punishment Ali or Mike?Since Pain tolerance is important in boxing so that could play a big role.
You can tell by the way someone punches, if you see his body weight twisting at the hips at the right time, you know it’s a hard punch.
So you can’t show that he is faster? Then how can you claim that he is!
I don’t know, fighting with a broken jaw is pretty tough.
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Cid wrote:
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RealTalker wrote:
How could I show you someone who can hit like Tyson?We have no real facts of the punching power of the boxers of that era.We could well say Foreman had the punching power of Tyson.We could say Frazier has the equal punching power of Tyson.But can we prove he has?No.Can we prove he hasn´t?No.So that point is impossible to prove.As for speed show me Tyson fighting speed in a fight and not Shadowboxing.And plus there aren´t many examples of Ali´s punching speed since thechnology wasn´t advanced and the reporters didn´t follow the fighters every step.And the cameras were shitty.You would need to be there live to se the real thing.There you could see the real skills of a boxer.
What point?The videos aren´t showing his opponents.
Plus.Let me ask you something.Who do you think can take more punishment Ali or Mike?Since Pain tolerance is important in boxing so that could play a big role.
You can tell by the way someone punches, if you see his body weight twisting at the hips at the right time, you know it�s a hard punch.
So you can�t show that he is faster? Then how can you claim that he is!
I don�t know, fighting with a broken jaw is pretty tough.
I can claim since I was in a few live fights of Ali.And about the hard punching.Yes if you use the hips then it will be a harder punch.But even if you land a punch and your hand goes forward you mostly push the opponent.So the punch isn´t as hard.Again you can´t prove that Tyson had a harder punch than Foreman.You can claim he has but you can´t prove it.It´s like me.I have been in live fights of Ali and I can claim that he is faster than Tyson but until they invent a machine that can show you my memory I can´t prove it.So in this debate you actually have more proof than me.But if you look at the video I posted at the end when Ali throws that combo.The camera couldn´t even catch some of the punches.
RealTalker wrote:
I can claim since I was in a few live fights of Ali.And about the hard punching.Yes if you use the hips then it will be a harder punch.But even if you land a punch and your hand goes forward you mostly push the opponent.So the punch isn´t as hard.Again you can´t prove that Tyson had a harder punch than Foreman.You can claim he has but you can´t prove it.It´s like me.I have been in live fights of Ali and I can claim that he is faster than Tyson but until they invent a machine that can show you my memory I can´t prove it.So in this debate you actually have more proof than me.But if you look at the video I posted at the end when Ali throws that combo.The camera couldn´t even catch some of the punches.
I don’t accept antidotal evidence, and eye witness accounts are extremely unreliable. You may say he is faster, but your memories can be construed over time.
I cannot find any videos of alis “great” speed.
Anyone who is experience can tell who has a good punch, without see it knock someone out. Was that the foot work video? Because the first video didn’t seem all that fast to me.
Yes I do have more evidence on my side; it is the entire reason why I hold my position.
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Cid wrote:
You flame religions and its followers without even considering their side of the story. You’re not much different from Hitler with his extermination of the jews
RealTalker wrote:
I can claim since I was in a few live fights of Ali.And about the hard punching.Yes if you use the hips then it will be a harder punch.But even if you land a punch and your hand goes forward you mostly push the opponent.So the punch isn´t as hard.Again you can´t prove that Tyson had a harder punch than Foreman.You can claim he has but you can´t prove it.It´s like me.I have been in live fights of Ali and I can claim that he is faster than Tyson but until they invent a machine that can show you my memory I can´t prove it.So in this debate you actually have more proof than me.But if you look at the video I posted at the end when Ali throws that combo.The camera couldn´t even catch some of the punches.
I don�t accept antidotal evidence, and eye witness accounts are extremely unreliable. You may say he is faster, but your memories can be construed over time.
I cannot find any videos of alis �great� speed.
Anyone who is experience can tell who has a good punch, without see it knock someone out. Was that the foot work video? Because the first video didn�t seem all that fast to me.
Yes I do have more evidence on my side; it is the entire reason why I hold my position.
Like the first video.The end when he knocks London out.The camera couldn´t follow his punches.And let me ask you.Do you have any knowledge of punching in boxing?Because when I look at Ali´s punches I see a much better technicly correct punch than when I see Mike punching.So by your logic that means Ali has more power.So you still have to show some evidence that Mike had a good punch.So I correct my early statement that you have more proof than me.
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