Broly raped SSJ2 adult Gohan (the lava didn’t kill him):
He blew up a galaxy:
Literally the first few words.
FTL reflexes, and ability to stop superhumans flying at him by standing there:
In the Goku vs. Flash thread (the 80 page one), I proved that Goku pre SSJ1 had FTL reflexes, and here he is seen dodging SSJ Goku and Piccolo effortlessly.
He can no-charge planet bust that move FTL (planet to planet in 6 seconds):
He took a blast that can destroy the Earth 4,600 times over:
Goku at 32,000 countered Vegeta’s planet buster, making that FP kamehameha a planet buster. At the end of the Frieza saga, his SSJ form was at 150,000,000. He has trained since then, but so no one can argue, I’ll use 150,000,000. 150,000,000/32,000=4687.5, and because power level = ki and ki = ki attack strength directly, it does increase in a linear fashion.
Goku
Too many feats, power level of 900,000,000 according to Dezz, but other than that he punches people through several mountains, uses IT, has FTL reflexes, and has beaten solar system busters. I would youtube his feats, but there are so many that I would be at it for hours. You all know him.
Rules:
None of this “SSJ3 is stated as the ultimate saiyan form, making it the strongest”, because LSSJ was described as the highest possible level achievable by a saiyan in the prophecy. He is a lot stronger than an SSJ2, how much stronger is only speculation.
And secondly, no saying that Goku and Vegeta and Piccolo and Trunks and Gohan’s energy was stronger than Broly, Goku outmaneuvered Broly and punched him in the scar, then forced energy into his body, making him explode. He in no way overpowered Broly, and that was Movie 1 Broly.
Lastly, no saying that Broly nuked that galaxy, He blew up the galactic core at best, which is better than star busting, but not Galaxy busting. Once again, however, this was RSSJ, and RSSJ<SSJ1<Movie 1 Broly<SSJ2<Movie 2 Broly.
Battlefield:
Abandoned galaxy, they start 20 feet apart.
DBZ logic applicable.
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Oh, and with DBZ logic, I can figure out what Broly’s Movie 2 power is roughly, because Goku was deathly injured at a PL of 180,000, and when he got better he was at 3,000,000. So 3,000,000/180,000=16.6. So Broly would have his Movie 1 PL of 210,000,000 multiplied by 16, giving us:
210,000,000x16=3,360,000,000. Wether or not Broly was injured worse than Goku is speculation, but that’s the rough area of his power level.
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It’s also been proven he never really destroyed the entire galaxy. There is still thousands of stars and planets. At most he just went around blowing stuff up in a FTL ship. Also don’t bring up the “he needs to have destroyed stars in order to make lights go out” stuff, in normal things I would agree, but the anime people made it look like a galaxy exploded from Namek exploding soo...DBZ logic is just whack. So SSJ3 Goku just plain out STOMPS
Prince Vegeta wrote:
Yes, but in the second film he got overpowered by an attack that couldn’t destory one star.
That doesn’t mean he’s not a star buster/solar system destroyer, because Cell took five and a half minutes to charge a Kamehameha that large. If Broly had that much time.
Broly just made a shield that broke, and when it did, he was like “Well, I’m screwed."
Also power output does not scale linearly. First thing, If Goku hit Broly with an attack that could destroy the planet 4600 times, then they would have said something, and non canon wise they wouldn’t have made a big deal about Kid Buu’s 10x planet busting and don’t give me Broly>Kid Buu because you are a serious fanboy in denial if you think that. Broly is mid tier DBZ at best.
Yeah, you definitely can’t use power level maths that way because it forgets a few things.
- It forgets how long it takes for them to charge, regardless of power level.
- Whether or not Goku actually put his full power into that attack.
Assuming Goku has the ki for 4,600 planets, and that being his max power, he would have to charge a LONG time for it. Cell took five minutes to reach what he said was worth the entire solar system (realistically, a supernova is worth at a minimum 200 million times the energy of a planetary explosion). Cell took a further five minutes to unleash his attack, presumably being at max power.
Clearly then, Goku didn’t use an absolute max power Kamehameha. He did the best he could under the circumstances. The one he did against Cell looked bigger and he had more time to charge.
If you want to go by anime, SSJ Goku in the Buu saga was said to be worth 10 planets, so DBZ power is all over the place.
Clear fight evidence shows SSJ3 as stronger than Broly though.
Mola Ramm wrote:
Yeah, you definitely can’t use power level maths that way because it forgets a few things.
- It forgets how long it takes for them to charge, regardless of power level.
- Whether or not Goku actually put his full power into that attack.
Assuming Goku has the ki for 4,600 planets, and that being his max power, he would have to charge a LONG time for it. Cell took five minutes to reach what he said was worth the entire solar system (realistically, a supernova is worth at a minimum 200 million times the energy of a planetary explosion). Cell took a further five minutes to unleash his attack, presumably being at max power.
Clearly then, Goku didn’t use an absolute max power Kamehameha. He did the best he could under the circumstances. The one he did against Cell looked bigger and he had more time to charge.
If you want to go by anime, SSJ Goku in the Buu saga was said to be worth 10 planets, so DBZ power is all over the place.
Clear fight evidence shows SSJ3 as stronger than Broly though.
Yeah, It has been proven though that Perfect Cell>Movie 8 Broly and would be weaker than movie 10, but Super Perfect Cell is stronger than movie 10 Broly.
I’ve seen that vid. It doesn’t so much prove that Broly is weaker, just that he may be either weaker or not much more powerful, as opposed to the God that fanboys make him out to be.
It’s not really clear, unless you want to factor in his PIS defeats, which is what they were, since he was owning everybody effortlessly until those points.
- They weren’t FPSSJs in the first movie. Broly still owned them easily. They were supposed to be FPSSJs anyway, because despite the contradictions, the movie was supposed to take place during the ten day wait for the Cell games.
- Cell took a bigger kamehameha. True, but he was still blown up. Just because Broly took a weaker one doesn’t mean he couldn’t take the stronger one. The one in his movie did nothing to him, so there’s no benchmark there to make a statement.
- Gohan was FPSSJ, not SSJ2. Seems like it, but again, Broly laughed off his attacks. Doesn’t prove Cell is stronger.
Fanboys make Broly out as if he’s stronger than ANY other character though, because he blew up a galaxy, and his power never stops growing. Both are suspect, and we saw him venting excess ki in the first movie.
Keollyn wrote:
COunt Bleck, you’re throwing around alot of “It’s been proven” in this thread. So let me ask...
Proven where? Because none of what you’re ranting on about has been and cannot be proven anything but false.
And lol @ dub DBZ. Horrible.
Perhaps you didn’t catch it, there is a vid on youtube that pretty much confirms Gohan and gang are mere SSJs at the movie 8 point(Based on Gohan’s clothes, we see it is pre time chamber)
Then there is the fact Gohan was only FPSSJ.
So please, Nothing I have said has been proven false nor can it be proven nothing but false. Broly<Cell more than likely, and if not it doesn’t matter because SSJ3 Goku wipes the floor with Broly.
Thanks Tyreaus Dreacon
