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Haha basically Kenshiro only need’s to touch someone not even punch or hurt really, and a fight is over unless u have the same level of control as he douse.
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Sasuke Uchiha wrote:
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Haha basically Kenshiro only need’s to touch someone not even punch or hurt really, and a fight is over unless u have the same level of control as he douse.
Yeah, but Radditz is a saiyan and is extremely powerful. A bullet would bounce off of Radditz, a bullet would pierce Fists of the North Star.
Plus, his technique might not even work on Radditz, and Radditz has energy blasts, and is way faster. Kenshiro is outclassed.
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I’d say he is just like a typical saiyan. Wants to fight, very prideful,etc.
He was arrofant towards Goku and Piccolo because he was like twice their powerlevel. He could have whooped them any point during the fight and killed them, but he didn’t because a saiyan loves to fight, and of course, Gohan’s sudden surge of power kinda stopped him too.
Well, if Goku and Piccolo didn’t come up with the plan to try and grab Raditz’s tail in the first place, Raditz would have just killed them with ease if it weren’t for Gohan.
For Kenshiro to win, he has to try and grab Raditz’s tail, or Raditz would just wtfpwn him.
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I’d say he is just like a typical saiyan. Wants to fight, very prideful,etc.
He was arrofant towards Goku and Piccolo because he was like twice their powerlevel. He could have whooped them any point during the fight and killed them, but he didn’t because a saiyan loves to fight, and of course, Gohan’s sudden surge of power kinda stopped him too.
Well, if Goku and Piccolo didn’t come up with the plan to try and grab Raditz’s tail in the first place, Raditz would have killed him.
For Kenshiro to win, he has to try and grab Raditz’s tail, or Raditz would just wtfpwn him.
i don’t think he needs to grab his tail to beat him
Go2movies wrote:
I’m pretty sure bullets won’t harm Ken either. Hokuto Shinken is suppose to make the body harder than steel.
So your saying without performing Hokuto Shinken technique he cannot be hit with a bullet without being hurt. This guy is dead Raditz its by far a heavier hitter then just a bullet. If Kenshiro is not doing his Hokuto Shinken 1 hit and there would be a gapping hole in his chest with Raditz arm coming out the other side passed his spine.
So your saying without performing Hokuto Shinken technique he cannot be hit with a bullet without being hurt. This guy is dead Raditz its by far a heavier hitter then just a bullet. If Kenshiro is not doing his Hokuto Shinken 1 hit and there would be a gapping hole in his chest with Raditz arm coming out the other side passed his spine.
Making his body harder than steel is not a “technique”.
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I’d say he is just like a typical saiyan. Wants to fight, very prideful,etc.
He was arrofant towards Goku and Piccolo because he was like twice their powerlevel. He could have whooped them any point during the fight and killed them, but he didn’t because a saiyan loves to fight, and of course, Gohan’s sudden surge of power kinda stopped him too.
Well, if Goku and Piccolo didn’t come up with the plan to try and grab Raditz’s tail in the first place, Raditz would have killed him.
For Kenshiro to win, he has to try and grab Raditz’s tail, or Raditz would just wtfpwn him.
i don’t think he needs to grab his tail to beat him
Considering even with techs he is inferior in physical attribute, and I’m sure Raditz can match his fighting skill, I’d say Raditz is the favorite.
As for the scans that ED posted, Ken has an intangible move so that explains why he could pass through solid objects. Which really wouldn’t be a speed feet at all.
Anyway, we got the fact that Raditz blitzed Goku with ease. Now for him to blitz Goku, he’d have to be significantly faster than sound as Kid Goku dodged multiple machine gun fire. Easily by the way.
Raditz would be hypersonic at the very least. Probably mach 20 or so(According to some one from the Naruto forums, it was calculated Tao was mach 14???) But anyway, for Krillin and Roshi’s movements to be invisible and it look them doing something else seems to sarpass Ken’s speed feats thus far.
Now, Ken stopped a train. So what. Goku during his part 1 career has tanked shit that would wreck cities and mountains and such. Raditz, if there at that time would have shrugged off anything they had because this is how he was portrayed. Raditz being defeated was sheer luck on their end really.
So anyway, my point is Raditz could tank a trains easily, and he could tank mountain busters for sure. I would honestly put him at moon level durability+(1/200th planet level) Yes I know what the response will be “Goku in the Buu saga couldn’t tank a planet earth exploding!" and “What about Cell!?"
Well my response to those would be that those are significantly more powerful than just a normal planet explosion. It doesn’t matter how much damage is done but how much power is in the attack. Yes, this logic is present in DBZ(Mainly evident in the fact, Kid Buu tanked his own attack when the earth blew up, and couldn’t tank the spirit bomb which just left a giant crater not even canyon sized)
I’d say he is just like a typical saiyan. Wants to fight, very prideful,etc.
He was arrofant towards Goku and Piccolo because he was like twice their powerlevel. He could have whooped them any point during the fight and killed them, but he didn’t because a saiyan loves to fight, and of course, Gohan’s sudden surge of power kinda stopped him too.
Well, if Goku and Piccolo didn’t come up with the plan to try and grab Raditz’s tail in the first place, Raditz would have killed him.
For Kenshiro to win, he has to try and grab Raditz’s tail, or Raditz would just wtfpwn him.
i don’t think he needs to grab his tail to beat him
Considering even with techs he is inferior in physical attribute, and I’m sure Raditz can match his fighting skill, I’d say Raditz is the favorite.
As for the scans that ED posted, Ken has an intangible move so that explains why he could pass through solid objects. Which really wouldn’t be a speed feet at all.
Anyway, we got the fact that Raditz blitzed Goku with ease. Now for him to blitz Goku, he’d have to be significantly faster than sound as Kid Goku dodged multiple machine gun fire. Easily by the way.
Raditz would be hypersonic at the very least. Probably mach 20 or so(According to some one from the Naruto forums, it was calculated Tao was mach 14???) But anyway, for Krillin and Roshi’s movements to be invisible and it look them doing something else seems to sarpass Ken’s speed feats thus far.
Now, Ken stopped a train. So what. Goku during his part 1 career has tanked shit that would wreck cities and mountains and such. Raditz, if there at that time would have shrugged off anything they had because this is how he was portrayed. Raditz being defeated was sheer luck on their end really.
So anyway, my point is Raditz could tank a trains easily, and he could tank mountain busters for sure. I would honestly put him at moon level durability+(1/200th planet level) Yes I know what the response will be “Goku in the Buu saga couldn’t tank a planet earth exploding!" and “What about Cell!?"
Well my response to those would be that those are significantly more powerful than just a normal planet explosion. It doesn’t matter how much damage is done but how much power is in the attack. Yes, this logic is present in DBZ(Mainly evident in the fact, Kid Buu tanked his own attack when the earth blew up, and couldn’t tank the spirit bomb which just left a giant crater not even canyon sized)
raditz is to cocky he would get him self killed. remember this if you didn’t read fist of the north star. kenshiro learns the full power of the Hokuto Shinken tab let. kenshrio yet again gets a very big up grade in everything. the same tab let that was in the original Hokuto fist. a tear drop from the goddess statue and fell on a dead shaci gave him enough power to match kaio. what you are telling me is calculated stuff that people did that don’t add up to the chararater tao mach 10 is a joke 2 me.
what i showed you was like beginning fist kenshiro stats not his full stats power.
He is cocky, but he had every right to be cocky. He was twice the powerlevel of both his opponents and he was owning the shit out of them. Notice he wasn’t so cocky after Gohan was above him in PL.
remember this if you didn’t read fist of the north star. kenshiro learns the full power of the Hokuto Shinken tab let.
Okay, but until you explain what that is. I don’t know how much it will go for the fight.
kenshrio yet again gets a very big up grade in everything.
Goku’s upgrade from a child to the 23rd Budokai was pretty damn big.
the same tab let that was in the original Hokuto fist. a tear drop from the goddess statue and fell on a dead shaci gave him enough power to match kaio.
Okay but him matching Kaio doesn’t mean anything to me. How strong is he? How fast is he?
what you are telling me is calculated stuff that people did that don’t add up to the chararater tao mach 10 is a joke 2 me.
Nah he caught up with his own pillar and rode on it. Note that it would have to be traveling pretty fast to be traveling across country from just one throw. So yes that is not unreasonable of a calculation with all things considered.
what i showed you was like beginning fist kenshiro stats not his full stats power.
And we never see Raditz’s full power either. But we know people weaker than him one shots moons with little effort a few hours later after he died.
So your saying without performing Hokuto Shinken technique he cannot be hit with a bullet without being hurt. This guy is dead Raditz its by far a heavier hitter then just a bullet. If Kenshiro is not doing his Hokuto Shinken 1 hit and there would be a gapping hole in his chest with Raditz arm coming out the other side passed his spine.
Making his body harder than steel is not a “technique”.
Then what is it?? Is he always harder then steel or just at times??
He is cocky, but he had every right to be cocky. He was twice the powerlevel of both his opponents and he was owning the shit out of them. Notice he wasn’t so cocky after Gohan was above him in PL.
remember this if you didn’t read fist of the north star. kenshiro learns the full power of the Hokuto Shinken tab let.
Okay, but until you explain what that is. I don’t know how much it will go for the fight.
kenshrio yet again gets a very big up grade in everything.
Goku’s upgrade from a child to the 23rd Budokai was pretty damn big.
the same tab let that was in the original Hokuto fist. a tear drop from the goddess statue and fell on a dead shaci gave him enough power to match kaio.
Okay but him matching Kaio doesn’t mean anything to me. How strong is he? How fast is he?
what you are telling me is calculated stuff that people did that don’t add up to the chararater tao mach 10 is a joke 2 me.
Nah he caught up with his own pillar and rode on it. Note that it would have to be traveling pretty fast to be traveling across country from just one throw. So yes that is not unreasonable of a calculation with all things considered.
what i showed you was like beginning fist kenshiro stats not his full stats power.
And we never see Raditz’s full power either. But we know people weaker than him one shots moons with little effort a few hours later after he died.
wow! you’re sitting here talking about how radtiz is going to do this and that. and you don’t know anything fist of the north star.
kaio is the strongest in bad guy in fist of the north star.
tao isn’t mach ten i put him on the level of the Colonel
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that’s beginning fist too. if tao was mach 10 almost everyone in dbz would be sub light or light speed over even over light speed
yet again shows why calculates are the worst thing to go by in mangas and comics
None of those feats of destruction or speed is even 23rd budokai level. I’d expect Kenshiro to be about 23rd budokai level, but sorry he doesn’t have the power to take Raditz. Raditz is easily a multi moon buster.
He is about 10/200th of a planet buster.
So about 10 moon destroying attacks are in him before he has exerting himself. One moon buster is enough.
Also HK where do you get if Tao is Mach 10 they would be sub light to light speed? Also they could very well be in short bursts and in fights. Gotenks flying around a couple dozen times in 29 minutes does NOTHING to disprove my conjecture, and considering how fast part 1 mid way characters were, I wouldn’t be surprised that they were massivly hypersonic to sub light(at the end of the series)
Anyway, I have seen nothing that puts Kenshiro on Raditz’s level. A man who is easily on the multi moon busting level, massivly hypersonic, AT LEAST moon level durability if not more, excellent combat skill, Physically stronger,etc.
Raditz has all the advantages.
He has the strength,durability,speed, raw power, he can fly, he is as skilled if not more skilled than Kenshiro(and he casually fights TWO people about as fast or faster than Kenshiro)
Kenshiro vs Raditz seem’s Indalecio is confusing power with skill, Kenshiro’s very art form is more advanced than any DBZ fighter Hokto shin ken has been perfected for over 6000 year’s and has never been defeated.
Kenshiro douse not fuck around in battle he is always ready to kill his opponent’s and there would be no difference here, Raditz is far to cocky and that’s his downfall Kenshiro only need’s to touch Raditz and it’s over.
So far you have not proved Raditz is physically stronger or faster than Kenshiro who can throw hundred’s of fist’s a second (or later 1000 fist’s a second) keeping in mind a flick from Kenshiro can topple a train carriage and he casualy lift’s hill sized boulder’s).
In blasting strength Raditz may be more powerful however that douse nothing to an opponent who can become intangible and read your movement’s before you have made them (Muso Tensai)
Kenshiro vs Raoh their blow’s are wasting a city
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Kyle Knight wrote:
Kenshiro vs Raditz seem’s Indalecio is confusing power with skill, Kenshiro’s very art form is more advanced than any DBZ fighter Hokto shin ken has been perfected for over 6000 year’s and has never been defeated.
Kenshiro douse not fuck around in battle he is always ready to kill his opponent’s and there would be no difference here, Raditz is far to cocky and that’s his downfall Kenshiro only need’s to touch Raditz and it’s over.
So far you have not proved Raditz is physically stronger or faster than Kenshiro who can throw hundred’s of fist’s a second (or later 1000 fist’s a second) keeping in mind a flick from Kenshiro can topple a train carriage and he casualy lift’s hill sized boulder’s).
In blasting strength Raditz may be more powerful however that douse nothing to an opponent who can become intangible and read your movement’s before you have made them (Muso Tensai)
Can you prove it is more advanced? Also the fastest that has been shown is about 23rd Budokai shit. Also can you prove that he only has to touch Raditz? Because that sounds like a no limits fallacy. Raditz has more control of his body energy than anyone Ken’s fought. He will likely just take the hit easily.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Kenshiro vs Raditz seem’s Indalecio is confusing power with skill, Kenshiro’s very art form is more advanced than any DBZ fighter Hokto shin ken has been perfected for over 6000 year’s and has never been defeated.
Kenshiro douse not fuck around in battle he is always ready to kill his opponent’s and there would be no difference here, Raditz is far to cocky and that’s his downfall Kenshiro only need’s to touch Raditz and it’s over.
So far you have not proved Raditz is physically stronger or faster than Kenshiro who can throw hundred’s of fist’s a second (or later 1000 fist’s a second) keeping in mind a flick from Kenshiro can topple a train carriage and he casualy lift’s hill sized boulder’s).
In blasting strength Raditz may be more powerful however that douse nothing to an opponent who can become intangible and read your movement’s before you have made them (Muso Tensai)
Can you prove it is more advanced? Also the fastest that has been shown is about 23rd Budokai shit. Also can you prove that he only has to touch Raditz? Because that sounds like a no limits fallacy. Raditz has more control of his body energy than anyone Ken’s fought. He will likely just take the hit easily.
If his fighting style is over 6000 year’s old and has never suffered a defeat then yes it is superior considering Roshi learned Kamehameha in 50yr’s that’s nothing, FOTNS has taken energy control and techniques way beyond simple KI control (Can you say Raditz was really more than a brute who just happened to be stronger than Goku and Piccolo, on the same level of power Goku and Piccolo are far above Raditz in skill)?.
The 23rd Budokai wasn’t all that impressive kenshiro can throw 100 fist’s a second at almost the begining of FOTNS and in that video their blow’s are that fast and strong it’s actualy wasteing the city (Raditz never did this).
Raditz can’t even seance his Chi control end’s at forming a blast dude FOTNS has way better energy manipulator’s than Raditz whose skill’s range much further than simple energy manifestation.
Prove he can take a hit of a guy who can lift more than Buu Saga Goku with his index finger dude lol,
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