This should end this.. Can itachi beat vash the stampede..vash have really good reflex and can dodge bullets at point blank range..compare to sanji his movement speed and durability is pretty much jst a tiny bit above human level..
Vahs beat sanji with only a gun in his arsenal..
Can itachi beat him??
This guy dodges bullets casually:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/369/07/
And Sanji blitzed the hell out of him and kicked him 12 times, although the guy thought it was only 10:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/369/14/
He also kicks a Soru user backwards (Soru users are hypersonic+):
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/415/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/415/05/
This was during a fight with the best Soru user out of his group.
There’s more, I’m actually working on a Sanji respect thread
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05 Nov 2009 02:41
Chopz Guest
i got pawned by noobz wrote:
This should end this.. Can itachi beat vash the stampede..vash have really good reflex and can dodge bullets at point blank range..compare to sanji his movement speed and durability is pretty much jst a tiny bit above human level..
Vahs beat sanji with only a gun in his arsenal..
Can itachi beat him??
Didn’t Vash have some broken abilities that included powerful black holes? IIRC
Vash can’t use angel arms against sanji as it takes time..but vash beat sanji with just his normal gun..for sanji to beat vash he’s gonna have hit him first..
Bear in mind sanji dodge those olden days musket rifle..
Vash dodge machine guns and automatic pistol in point blank range..lol wat doesnt make sence is vash movement speed and physical strenght is pretty much just in the level our elite athletes..
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Again with the using other fictions...you’d be better off saying since weaker characters have dodged lightning(weak lightning) they can dodge bullets. Instead you go like since another fictional character can do it so can they. It shows how desperate you are.
And we continue with the AWFUL logic portion of your argument (although, ALL of your argument is just AWFUL). Why don’t you simply stop being an idiot and concede that dodging bullets has little merit?
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Prove it.
This kid can throw a punch at mach speed, Zoro can’t. Zoro punches slower.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
And yet he’s not...
Oh, he is, you just haven’t a clue about what you’re talking about.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
It shows that you using this arc doesn’t work since he was injured.
No it doesn’t, you goddamn retard. My point is that Zoro is shitty with hand to hand combat based on the fact that instead of simply using hand to hand combat he spent an ENTIRE story arc complaining about how shitty he is with only a single sword.
If he were a good hand to hand fighter, then he would have just ditched the single sword style and stuck to beating people the fuck up.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Their chakra doesn’t effect
Yes the fuck it does. Their chakra is their life’s essence, when they run out, they’re fucking dead. That right there tells me it plays a HUGE fucking role in their physical and power-based attributes.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Yet he ran from Jiraiya,
And?
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
no he and Madara destroyed the clan,
Holy shit, he had a weakened useless ninja who’s only ability is to run from fights help him wipe out an entire civilization of Konoha’s finest.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Tsukuyomi no since by the time he casts it he gets hit.
Lmfao, he can easily cast it by fucking pointing his finger at Sanji, putting him in an illusion then fucking his world and life up.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Not really.
Yeah, really.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Then by that logic Ichigos 11 seconds was 5 minutes, Naruto held his head down for minutes when the manga suggested it wasn’t that long etc.
Yup.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
And yet you claim it was 20 seconds.
Yup, and I have the anime to back me up on this.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
I don’t know the exact time but I can see it clearly wasn’t 20 seconds.
Based on it being a single panel? Because single panels have set times? What’s this based on? They have no mention of time in the manga?
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
If you say thats the case he’s a normal human with a great amount of power.
Which makes him fucking FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR above a normal human.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Yet he was shown only getting the ability to wear his mask longer in the Hueco Mundo arc so what you say holds no water. I know its called offscreen powerup.
And it looks like Ichigo had another one to wear the mask that long.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
No its not. What do you not understand? With only 30% they can’t use all their techs but they still keep all their physical stats.
Fucking, HOW? It wasn’t even their goddamn bodies. It was some random faggot Jonin’s. Face facts, they were only at 30% power when they did this. Hell, this fact doesn’t even contradict anything in the manga as Itachi was previously portrayed as being far above the level of a Jonin when he strolled into Konoha and fucked all those faggots up.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
I showed scans to back it up.
Uhhh, no you didn’t. You showed scans of Sanji matching some female in Soru combat, when, in all actuality, he likely could have done that from his introduction, on top of the fact that I haven’t seen anything to indicate him having gotten quicker or stronger.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Even Deidara without a sharingan can combat Genjutsu.
“Even Deidara”? Deidara is a fucking Sasuke level fighter and a world class criminal who was fucking useless against Itachi and got fucking RAPED by his genjutsu (IIRC, Deidara is the bomb faggot, correct).
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Also Itachis oh so great tsukuyomi is only supposed to be able to get out of with a Mangekyo Sharingan.
Okay, that’s cool and all, but all that means is that it was hella impressive that Sasuke was able to overcome it. Naruto, (IIRC) Kakashi, Gai, the bomb faggot, and a bunch of other people had their shit shoved in by Itachi’s genjutsu. Hell, wasn’t it fucking Gai who got raped by a split second of Tsukuyomi when Itachi first strolled into Konoha?
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Exactly. Therefore your comments that Itachi is probably as durable as Sanji holds no water.
It holds water if you assume that Itachi’s a little bit more durable than his brother (even though he was portrayed to have been a couple notches above his brother throughout the series).
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
I’m not inferior to you by a long shot.
bwahahaha, self denial is fucking comedy.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Its funny you didn’t try to prove me wrong.
Probably because your opinion is based on the fact that you believe these characters are getting stronger by not training.
Moses Morrison wrote:
Which doesn’t change the fact that it’s completely unimpressive.
Its like talking with to a wall...
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
You should...cause it would show how fast even weak ninjas in Naruto are.
Uhhh, no, it wouldn’t. Bullets suck.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Cause he’s a good marksmen.
And how does “being a good marksmen” change the speed at which the arrows come out? Nice excuse to dodge the point.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
And Naruto ninjas have trouble dodging kunais and shurikens.
Cause they’re good marksmen.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Its funny I’m not doing that.
Then what do you call your constant reference to dodging bullets when I’ve sat up here and provided showings of fucking John Matrix and Pootie Tang dodging bullets?
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Those pitiful speed feats from Haku? Lol
Pitiful speed feats? Those feats were beyond fucking Sanji level speed, that’s for sure.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
A feudal like world with electronic devices, construction equipment, etc...
Electronic devices? I don’t even remember seeing that shit in the comic, that’s how obscure this fucking shit is.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
You can’t see the future so who knows. All this bullshit where you claim we’re retarded or autistic might cause you to end up with a child like that.
Ummm, no, it won’t you autistic, learning disabled, faggot.
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Yeah cause Moses showed up and that’s his basic MO.
Also I got Pawned Vash is not a human he is a plant and is significantly faster then a normal human he is also although not by much stronger and way way more durable.
Also Vash would end Itachi so qiuck it wouldn’t even be funny.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
And we continue with the AWFUL logic portion of your argument (although, ALL of your argument is just AWFUL). Why don’t you simply stop being an idiot and concede that dodging bullets has little merit?
Concede that dodging bullets holds little merit when you stop being an ass. Which will probably never happen.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
This kid can throw a punch at mach speed, Zoro can’t. Zoro punches slower.
Robin can react to bullets. Itachi can’t. Robin has better reaction speed then Itachi.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Oh, he is, you just haven’t a clue about what you’re talking about.
Whatever helps you sleep at night moses.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
No it doesn’t, you goddamn retard. My point is that Zoro is shitty with hand to hand combat based on the fact that instead of simply using hand to hand combat he spent an ENTIRE story arc complaining about how shitty he is with only a single sword.
He was freaking injured. Whats so hard to get about that. Theres also the fact that you’re using an early OP story arc and Zoro is better now.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
If he were a good hand to hand fighter, then he would have just ditched the single sword style and stuck to beating people the fuck up.
So if a samurai thats good with two swords but is stuck with only one should do hand to hand? No swordsmanship is his forte but hes not terrible with his hands either.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Yes the fuck it does. Their chakra is their life’s essence, when they run out, they’re fucking dead. That right there tells me it plays a HUGE fucking role in their physical and power-based attributes.
Yes they die when they run out of chakra but Sakura and Tsunade are the only ones shown using it for physical purposes and for only strength at that.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
And?
If he’s so strong like you say he and Kisame should have been able to easily defeat him.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Holy shit, he had a weakened useless ninja who’s only ability is to run from fights help him wipe out an entire civilization of Konoha’s finest.
Funny that weakened useless ninja is leader of Akatsuki and even the almighty Pein took orders from him....
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Lmfao, he can easily cast it by fucking pointing his finger at Sanji, putting him in an illusion then fucking his world and life up.
Sanjis already behind him by then.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Yeah, really.
Nope
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Yup.
Are you freaking serious...
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Yup, and I have the anime to back me up on this.
And I have the manga which doesn’t suggest it was nearly as long and the manga is the original canon.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Based on it being a single panel? Because single panels have set times? What’s this based on? They have no mention of time in the manga?
Based on the fact that while yes Jyabura is an idiot he isn’t going to stand there for 20 seconds doing nothing.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
And it looks like Ichigo had another one to wear the mask that long.
No because it was specifically stated and was only 11 seconds. The anime just dragged it out longer then it was.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Fucking, HOW? It wasn’t even their goddamn bodies. It was some random faggot Jonin’s. Face facts, they were only at 30% power when they did this. Hell, this fact doesn’t even contradict anything in the manga as Itachi was previously portrayed as being far above the level of a Jonin when he strolled into Konoha and fucked all those faggots up.
It wasn’t their bodies but it was still all of their stats with only 30% maximum chakra.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Uhhh, no you didn’t. You showed scans of Sanji matching some female in Soru combat, when, in all actuality, he likely could have done that from his introduction, on top of the fact that I haven’t seen anything to indicate him having gotten quicker or stronger.
People who use basic Soru move as fast as Kuro. Kalifa is above that. Theres also the fact Sanji was dicking around the entire time.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
“Even Deidara”? Deidara is a fucking Sasuke level fighter and a world class criminal who was fucking useless against Itachi and got fucking RAPED by his genjutsu (IIRC, Deidara is the bomb faggot, correct).
Yes Deidara is the guy who uses bombs. Okay being Sasuke level is something now? Sanjis been beating people above Sasuke for the longest. Theres also the fact that later on he combated himself to be able to withstand Genjutsu.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Okay, that’s cool and all, but all that means is that it was hella impressive that Sasuke was able to overcome it. Naruto, (IIRC) Kakashi, Gai, the bomb faggot, and a bunch of other people had their shit shoved in by Itachi’s genjutsu. Hell, wasn’t it fucking Gai who got raped by a split second of Tsukuyomi when Itachi first strolled into Konoha?
No it was Kakashi. Then Itachi pretty much left.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
It holds water if you assume that Itachi’s a little bit more durable than his brother (even though he was portrayed to have been a couple notches above his brother throughout the series).
Sasuke has is nowhere near as durable as Sanji...
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
bwahahaha, self denial is fucking comedy.
Whatever helps you sleep at night...
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Probably because your opinion is based on the fact that you believe these characters are getting stronger by not training.
And by what the characters themselves state.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Uhhh, no, it wouldn’t. Bullets suck.
I don’t even see why I bother with you.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
And how does “being a good marksmen” change the speed at which the arrows come out? Nice excuse to dodge the point.
Funny how you missed my example on Vash the Stampede...
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Cause they’re good marksmen.
LOL at trying to use what I said.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Then what do you call your constant reference to dodging bullets when I’ve sat up here and provided showings of fucking John Matrix and Pootie Tang dodging bullets?
John Matrixs way of dodging bullets was nothing like that in One Piece. Pootie Tang was a comedy scene...I might as well use You Don’t Mess with the Zohan.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Pitiful speed feats? Those feats were beyond fucking Sanji level speed, that’s for sure.
Prove it.
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Electronic devices? I don’t even remember seeing that shit in the comic, that’s how obscure this fucking shit is.
What do you call that construction equipment...
Ravishing Moses Rude wrote:
Ummm, no, it won’t you autistic, learning disabled, faggot.
Learning disabled and autistic yet in college....whatever moses...just whatever...
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Concede that dodging bullets holds little merit when you stop being an ass. Which will probably never happen.
Hmm, so what you’re saying is, myself flaming you to keep myself entertained is the only reason why you haven’t conceded and that you’ve seen the light?
Good shit, concession accepted, son.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Itachi can’t.
There’s no factual basis to this statement.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Whatever helps you sleep at night moses.
Being correct helps me sleep at night.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
He was freaking injured. Whats so hard to get about that.
The part where having an injury that only flares up when you’re hit in the spot where it hurts means it’s smarter to use a sword technique you’re shitty with than your far superior h2h skills.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Theres also the fact that you’re using an early OP story arc and Zoro is better now.
His swordsmanship has gotten better, I’ve seen nothing to suggest his hand to hand fighting ability has increased.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
So if a samurai thats good with two swords but is stuck with only one should do hand to hand? No swordsmanship is his forte but hes not terrible with his hands either.
Except he’s terrible with one sword. This tells me he’s horrible with H2H combat since he didn’t just sheath the sword and go H2H on fools.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Yes they die when they run out of chakra but Sakura and Tsunade are the only ones shown using it for physical purposes and for only strength at that.
So you’re telling me if Naruto or Itachi only have 1% of the chakra left in their body, their physical attributes won’t drop in the least bit?
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
If he’s so strong like you say he and Kisame should have been able to easily defeat him.
That doesn’t make sense, considering there’s a massive gap between the Jounin and Sanin levels.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Funny that weakened useless ninja is leader of Akatsuki and even the almighty Pein took orders from him....
Since when is leadership based solely on how physically imposing you are? Hell, IIRC, the only person in Akatsuki that even knew who he was, was Itachi.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Sanjis already behind him by then.
Uhh, no, he’s not. Though, Itachi can also cast illusions with the back of his skull. I believe he told Naruto he can cast Genjutsu from any part of his body once he trapped him in one.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Are you freaking serious...
Yup.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
And I have the manga which doesn’t suggest it was nearly as long and the manga is the original canon.
In what part of the manga?
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Based on the fact that while yes Jyabura is an idiot he isn’t going to stand there for 20 seconds doing nothing.
Except that’s what he did in the anime, while nothing you’ve provided in the manga disproves this factoid.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
No because it was specifically stated and was only 11 seconds. The anime just dragged it out longer then it was.
Perhaps Ichigo was just off in his estimation and randomly got a power-up for the fuck of it?
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
It wasn’t their bodies but it was still all of their stats with only 30% maximum chakra.
Prove it, son.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
People who use basic Soru move as fast as Kuro. Kalifa is above that. Theres also the fact Sanji was dicking around the entire time.
Who the fuck are these faggots? Post scans.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Yes Deidara is the guy who uses bombs. Okay being Sasuke level is something now?
Uhhh yes? Your description of Deidara makes him seem like he’s some random Chuunin level faggot when, in fact, he’s one of the most powerful and feared villains in the Naruto verse.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Sanjis been beating people above Sasuke for the longest.
No, son, he hasn’t. Quit being a fucking faggot, dude.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Theres also the fact that later on he combated himself to be able to withstand Genjutsu.
Of course, we never got a chance to see if he could actually resist Itachi’s Genjutsu and Sanji’s not getting fucking prep time to train himself to combat Genjutsu.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
No it was Kakashi. Then Itachi pretty much left.
Which helps my case, Itachi pretty much just rolled into Konoha and punked the shit out of its most powerful Jounin then walked the fuck away.
Yujiro Hanma wrote:
Sasuke has is nowhere near as durable as Sanji...
*scoffs* please Sasuke’s easily as durable as fucking Sanji. Just look at his fight with Naruto as a fucking 12 year old brat for proof of this.
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