Alright. Frieza and Cell were able to survive such strong attacks since it’s something that runs in Changeling(Non-canon name for Frieza’s species) blood. Frieza survived the big planet explosion, Cell survived an explosion capable of destroying a mass 10x that of earth from the inside. Goku, even at SSJ3 would not be able to survive such natrual hazards for he doesn’t have this trait unique to those 2 enemies. Even Ultimate Gohan was obliterated by Earth’s explosion(Kid Buu’s attack). I believe that natrual and energy hazards work differently, for Goku can take an attack from an enemy Frieza would normaly be obliterated by, yet Frieza can survive natural hazards Goku normaly would be obliterated by. Just how ki works I guess, or that ki sheild thing. But I just thought I’d throw that out there. And Buu has less durability that Frieza and Cell to, but he doesn’t need it.
can anyone tell me if im right or wrong about this:
it takes a power lvl or 21000 to destroy earth in dbz.....first time goku went ssj his power was pwer lvl was over 1million after all the training and time skips at the end off dbz its safe to say his pwer lvl is over 1 billion if not way more....becasue his power can be felt from earth to the kai planet at the edge of the universe and goku and uub was shaking either the lookout or earth from another diminsion....ok now if u take 1000000000/21000=47619 so goku can detroy eath that many time over so its safe to say he is a galaxy buster and if u divide 21000/1000000000=.000021 so thats the percent of power it takes goku to detroy earth 1 time....now i dont care about being cannon or watever in gt he gets even strong and seeing how dbz actuall universe is shaped its safe to say gogeta can detroy the universe if not more( bad writting and plothole aside from TOEI part) and goku could atleast destroy the almost all of the universe at full power....this is my opinoin so tell me if im mastken
Mercenary191 wrote:
can anyone tell me if im right or wrong about this:
it takes a power lvl or 21000 to destroy earth in dbz.....first time goku went ssj his power was pwer lvl was over 1million after all the training and time skips at the end off dbz its safe to say his pwer lvl is over 1 billion if not way more....becasue his power can be felt from earth to the kai planet at the edge of the universe and goku and uub was shaking either the lookout or earth from another diminsion....ok now if u take 1000000000/21000=47619 so goku can detroy eath that many time over so its safe to say he is a galaxy buster and if u divide 21000/1000000000=.000021 so thats the percent of power it takes goku to detroy earth 1 time....now i dont care about being cannon or watever in gt he gets even strong and seeing how dbz actuall universe is shaped its safe to say gogeta can detroy the universe if not more( bad writting and plothole aside from TOEI part) and goku could atleast destroy the almost all of the universe at full power....this is my opinoin so tell me if im mastken
Well pal... the problem is that for example the sun is 1.3 million times bigger than Earht. Canis Majoris is billions of times bigger than our Sun. Our complete solar system is over two times the size of Canis Majoris. THe solar system is just a 1/1000000 FRACTION OF ONE PIXEL in the milkyway
So as you can see it does not makes too much sense when Toe Animation said Kid buu could destroy a galaxy in the anime. Buu destroyed one but probably was gradually. Even if you follow the most optimistic logic to your argumen it does not even make sense he could destroy a complete solar system.
But Toe Animation made the things more confusing when Dabura said that you need 300 kili to destroy an ordinary planet like earth. Goku ssj1 had 3000 kili. According to Akira the ssj1 is x50 times stronger than the base form, the ssj2 is x2 ssj1 and ssj3 is x4 times ssj2. < — - This also makes the galaxy buster thing have not much sense :/.
There is a place where they said that goku could destroy the equivalent of over 8000 planets. It is very cool... but the sun is 1.3 million times bigger than a normal planet.
Not to mention that Toe Animation did crazy stuff in DBGT.... T_T
Kid Buu cannot destroy a galaxy in one attack, that is obvious. The strongest any character ever character in dbz ever gets is to destroy a star, and thats stretching. Super Perfect Cell said he could destroy the solar system in one kamehameha, which would be a minimum of supernova power. So I guess that’s it, it’s called solar kamehameha after all.
Nex Carnifex wrote:
Kid Buu cannot destroy a galaxy in one attack, that is obvious. The strongest any character ever character in dbz ever gets is to destroy a star, and thats stretching. Super Perfect Cell said he could destroy the solar system in one kamehameha, which would be a minimum of supernova power. So I guess that’s it, it’s called solar kamehameha after all.
Nex Carnifex wrote:
Kid Buu cannot destroy a galaxy in one attack, that is obvious. The strongest any character ever character in dbz ever gets is to destroy a star, and thats stretching. Super Perfect Cell said he could destroy the solar system in one kamehameha, which would be a minimum of supernova power. So I guess that’s it, it’s called solar kamehameha after all.
In the anime, Kid Buu’s a galaxy buster though.
It never says he destroys galaxies in one blast, and galaxies don’t shatter either. Also it was shown that he destroyed planets one by one. So it’s safe to say he destroyed them planet by planet/star by star.
Nex Carnifex wrote:
Kid Buu cannot destroy a galaxy in one attack, that is obvious. The strongest any character ever character in dbz ever gets is to destroy a star, and thats stretching. Super Perfect Cell said he could destroy the solar system in one kamehameha, which would be a minimum of supernova power. So I guess that’s it, it’s called solar kamehameha after all.
In the anime, Kid Buu’s a galaxy buster though.
It never says he destroys galaxies in one blast, and galaxies don’t shatter either. Also it was shown that he destroyed planets one by one. So it’s safe to say he destroyed them planet by planet/star by star.
Nex Carnifex wrote:
Kid Buu cannot destroy a galaxy in one attack, that is obvious. The strongest any character ever character in dbz ever gets is to destroy a star, and thats stretching. Super Perfect Cell said he could destroy the solar system in one kamehameha, which would be a minimum of supernova power. So I guess that’s it, it’s called solar kamehameha after all.
In the anime, Kid Buu’s a galaxy buster though.
It never says he destroys galaxies in one blast, and galaxies don’t shatter either. Also it was shown that he destroyed planets one by one. So it’s safe to say he destroyed them planet by planet/star by star.
It never said that he destroyed them in one attack, and that would make no sense anyways.
Nex Carnifex wrote:
It never said that he destroyed them in one attack, and that would make no sense anyways.
The anime has a lot of plotholes. DBZ isn’t really consistent in general, but the feat should still hold since people on here said that they only go by high end feats.
Nex Carnifex wrote:
It never said that he destroyed them in one attack, and that would make no sense anyways.
The anime has a lot of plotholes. DBZ isn’t really consistent in general, but the feat should still hold since people on here said that they only go by high end feats.
Or maybe your just a fanboy who likes to create plot holes to get your way. :P
yea dbz does have many plot holes but i only watch anime cuz i nver read manga but going by cell i suppose its safe to say that everyone on is atleast a solar buster
mercenary191 wrote:
yea dbz does have many plot holes but i only watch anime cuz i nver read manga but going by cell i suppose its safe to say that everyone on is atleast a solar buster
The Manga
In the universe of Dragon Ball, the highest level of canon is the manga Dragon Ball. Published in Weekly Shonen Jump in Japan, the comic was both written and drawn by Akira Toriyama. As such, it represents the ultimate and correct vision of his world as it was presented to his readers. Fortunately, the manga itself is relatively free from direct contradictions, though there are certainly some topics open for debate.
Although Viz Communications is thought to do a good job translating the manga into English by fans, the final and authoritative source is the original Japanese comic.
The Anime
The second highest level of canon in Dragon Ball is the two anime series based on the comic: Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. This anime series significantly “fill out” the plot of the Dragon Ball comic with many extended sequences. (This is due largely to the comic and the anime being produced in parallel; it was often necessary for the anime to add filler material to keep from getting ahead of the manga.) These extended sequences often fill out the backstory, but frequently are contradicted by events later in the manga.
Most fans consider that the events in the anime “happened”, unless they are directly contradicted by events later in the series.
I love dbz but I will try to keep with the canon info. I think it would be fair. Otherwise people is going to take DBZ to no limit levels that do not exist in the original db universe.
mercenary191 wrote:
yea dbz does have many plot holes but i only watch anime cuz i nver read manga but going by cell i suppose its safe to say that everyone on is atleast a solar buster
The Manga
In the universe of Dragon Ball, the highest level of canon is the manga Dragon Ball. Published in Weekly Shonen Jump in Japan, the comic was both written and drawn by Akira Toriyama. As such, it represents the ultimate and correct vision of his world as it was presented to his readers. Fortunately, the manga itself is relatively free from direct contradictions, though there are certainly some topics open for debate.
Although Viz Communications is thought to do a good job translating the manga into English by fans, the final and authoritative source is the original Japanese comic.
The Anime
The second highest level of canon in Dragon Ball is the two anime series based on the comic: Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. This anime series significantly “fill out” the plot of the Dragon Ball comic with many extended sequences. (This is due largely to the comic and the anime being produced in parallel; it was often necessary for the anime to add filler material to keep from getting ahead of the manga.) These extended sequences often fill out the backstory, but frequently are contradicted by events later in the manga.
Most fans consider that the events in the anime “happened”, unless they are directly contradicted by events later in the series.
I love dbz but I will try to keep with the canon info. I think it would be fair. Otherwise people is going to take DBZ to no limit levels that do not exist in the original db universe.
That’s why I like to use the anime in vs debates, since the manga’s weaker than the anime. XD
Nex Carnifex wrote:
Alright. Frieza and Cell were able to survive such strong attacks since it’s something that runs in Changeling(Non-canon name for Frieza’s species) blood. Frieza survived the big planet explosion, Cell survived an explosion capable of destroying a mass 10x that of earth from the inside. Goku, even at SSJ3 would not be able to survive such natrual hazards for he doesn’t have this trait unique to those 2 enemies. Even Ultimate Gohan was obliterated by Earth’s explosion(Kid Buu’s attack). I believe that natrual and energy hazards work differently, for Goku can take an attack from an enemy Frieza would normaly be obliterated by, yet Frieza can survive natural hazards Goku normaly would be obliterated by. Just how ki works I guess, or that ki sheild thing. But I just thought I’d throw that out there. And Buu has less durability that Frieza and Cell to, but he doesn’t need it.
Nex Carnifex wrote:
Alright. Frieza and Cell were able to survive such strong attacks since it’s something that runs in Changeling(Non-canon name for Frieza’s species) blood. Frieza survived the big planet explosion, Cell survived an explosion capable of destroying a mass 10x that of earth from the inside. Goku, even at SSJ3 would not be able to survive such natrual hazards for he doesn’t have this trait unique to those 2 enemies. Even Ultimate Gohan was obliterated by Earth’s explosion(Kid Buu’s attack). I believe that natrual and energy hazards work differently, for Goku can take an attack from an enemy Frieza would normaly be obliterated by, yet Frieza can survive natural hazards Goku normaly would be obliterated by. Just how ki works I guess, or that ki sheild thing. But I just thought I’d throw that out there. And Buu has less durability that Frieza and Cell to, but he doesn’t need it.
He was?
Well, we know he was unconscious on Earth before it’s explosion, and after Kid Buu destroyed Earth the surviving Z fighters said he was dead, so yeah. But it could have been from the force of Kid Buu’s attack alone, which is probably more than enough to obliterate Earth. Or maybe do to the vacuums of space which would boil his blood due to gas laws, not nessesarily durability.
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