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Supes with Sword of Superman vs Beyonder (pre R)

[Reply] #1
11-15-2010 12:02 AM
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I actually know minimal about the Beyonder- but From what i have gathered after scouring the web, he , while pretty much all powerful- still wasn’t the chessmaster running all things.

So- this probably depends on what you personally consider the Presence to be at, and such-

But Give - here, lets take every superman and combine them(I’m thinking Gold Prime 1 Mil is as strong as Current Beyonder, I might be really off though) - then hand him the SOS- and throw him against Pre-Retcon Beyonder..

Since Pre-retcon beyonder is compared to the HOTU so much- lets throw him against the SOS instead of the HOTU.

I suppose I’ll hear from some how the HOTU compare to the SOS, but eh.


How do they compare?
Extra Credit: I hear Beyonder is actually able ot hld his own somewhat well currently-anyone up to date on him?

--------Random Curious thoughts of mine.

Note: if this is considered some sort of Spite thread- I don’t believe it to be- then close it if determined to be so

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Superman’s only universal+ with the sword of Superman. Even beings such as the Living Tribunal that surpass the IG which is more powerful than the sword of Superman are nothing to Pre Retcon Beyonder. Him and Thanos w/HOTU very close to omnipotency.


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Change it to cosmic superman with his sword.


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11-15-2010 12:23 AM
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Laharl wrote: Change it to cosmic superman with his sword.


already is

Every supes is combined, and he gets the SOS- as per OP


I suppose between One Mil, and Cosmic...

odd thing is - SOS is him merging with the presence- i was sure the Presence was above far more than one universe.

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12-31-2010 03:19 AM
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Pre-Crisis Superman was vulnerable to magic, but if you look carefully at his feats he has truly infinite physical power. Without the sword it is quite possible he can take out any MU cosmic, even PR Beyonder, with an infinitely hard right hook. Beyonder can NOT simply will pre-COIE Superman out of existence, or take his powers, etc - SUperman’s invulnerability, which protected him inside the Big Bang itself, is only trumped by Kryptonite, red solar energy, and magic. Beyonder CAN hurt him with those by (say) turning the rest of the universe into Kryptonite, but in the iota it takes him to do that SUperman can phase, vibrate into another universe, or hit the beyonder with infinitely many infinitely hard punches.

Remember that the Anti Monitor, who ate infinity minus 5 universes, could only hurt Superman because Superman’s powers did not work right inside the anti matter universe. This is in COIE #7. The Anti Monitor would annihilate ANY marvel cosmic, but he would have lost to Krypto, or any pre-COIE Kryptonian, had he fought in the positive matter universe.

WITH the Sword there is no character that is not coeval with God that could beat him. Even pre-Retcon, Beyonder is NOT God nor his agent. Maybe he’s top dog in MU, maybe not, but he’s not the Presence nor even the SOurce, and that is the power behind the Sword of SUperman.

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12-31-2010 03:34 AM
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Krypto wrote: Pre-Crisis Superman was vulnerable to magic, but if you look carefully at his feats he has truly infinite physical power. Without the sword it is quite possible he can take out any MU cosmic, even PR Beyonder, with an infinitely hard right hook. Beyonder can NOT simply will pre-COIE Superman out of existence, or take his powers, etc - SUperman’s invulnerability, which protected him inside the Big Bang itself, is only trumped by Kryptonite, red solar energy, and magic. Beyonder CAN hurt him with those by (say) turning the rest of the universe into Kryptonite, but in the iota it takes him to do that SUperman can phase, vibrate into another universe, or hit the beyonder with infinitely many infinitely hard punches.

Remember that the Anti Monitor, who ate infinity minus 5 universes, could only hurt Superman because Superman’s powers did not work right inside the anti matter universe. This is in COIE #7. The Anti Monitor would annihilate ANY marvel cosmic, but he would have lost to Krypto, or any pre-COIE Kryptonian, had he fought in the positive matter universe.

WITH the Sword there is no character that is not coeval with God that could beat him. Even pre-Retcon, Beyonder is NOT God nor his agent. Maybe he’s top dog in MU, maybe not, but he’s not the Presence nor even the SOurce, and that is the power behind the Sword of SUperman.



Superman’s been hurt by FAR less. Just ask Tyrant and he’ll tell you about why Pre-crisis Supes is far too inconsistent.

Just a remainder, he gets put down by punches from Mongul(SP?) and Darkseid. And I know for damn sure that they can’t punch out a universe or galaxy with their punches.

And Beyonder could just really simply warp him out of existence or just turn him into a pile of shit. I mean, Supes has never shown resistance to reality warping. I don’t really know why you’re even trying to defend pre-crisis Superman so badly. The Living Tribunal of all people was nothing but an ant compared to Beyonder. You should know that even if you give Supes the IG here that he’d still be nothing to the Beyonder.

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10-18-2011 12:00 AM
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On second thought, the Sword of Superman’s scans have it ...pretty much- yea

SOS should be able to handle Beyonder at that point

Cosmic Armor...well, depends on where you think Mandrakk is ,the other Monitors are, and Presence-backed Spectre(who Mandrakk defeated)

Superman Prime One Million did create life and had 5th dimensional powers-creating life is something every DC disliker ignores- but even the best supporters only see Superman Prime One Mil past Galactus level with his 5th D powers/ creation abilities/Source Powers(remember the scans)

So this is about the SOS 's Power vs Beyonder. Last I checked, Pre ret Beyonder couldn’t beat the Presence. Or the Primal Monitor. Or TOAA

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11-14-2011 01:41 PM
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beyonder is the most powerful, equal to TOAA becuase he made his own massive universe and as long he is from the beyond unierse TOAA or SOS can’t do anything becuase he is from the beyond and he is beyond everyone. As we all know that TOAA is most powerful, well if beyonder was never retconned then he would become TOAA and rule all!

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Beyonder shitstomp superman

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@AA
PR Beyonder IS above the Presence

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i just read up on the sword of superman....WTF!!?? that shit is bullshit!! lol


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PR Beyonder equal to Toaa and Presence....superman with sword lose horrible

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Raizen wrote: PR Beyonder equal to Toaa and Presence....superman with sword lose horrible


TOAA is above both of them

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Pre-retconn Beyonder was describe as omnipotent, yet you guys kept on denying it.

The only time he became near-omnipotent is when he chose to inhabit a body and live like a man which limits all of his capabilities.

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rayn1984 wrote: Pre-retconn Beyonder was describe as omnipotent, yet you guys kept on denying it.

The only time he became near-omnipotent is when he chose to inhabit a body and live like a man which limits all of his capabilities.


If i remember correctly, werent you the guy who stated LT and other marvel cosmics were omnipotent because they were stated to be so?

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DS Aizen - La persona superiore a Dio wrote:

rayn1984 wrote: Pre-retconn Beyonder was describe as omnipotent, yet you guys kept on denying it.

The only time he became near-omnipotent is when he chose to inhabit a body and live like a man which limits all of his capabilities.


If i remember correctly, werent you the guy who stated LT and other marvel cosmics were omnipotent because they were stated to be so?



I only stated Siseneg and Living Tribunal. Other than them, no.

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lol

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08-27-2013 01:31 PM
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As far as i remeber In secret wars beyonder got his powers stolen of doom and they were not infinte he is maybe nigh omni at best. Also it has been stated a couple of times that pre retcon is weaker than LT though i dont know how you people will take that. SoSsupes is also stated tobe nigh omni but whatever.

End of the day, no one knows for sure.

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shit get fucked up. That’s all i can say


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