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The Empire has the second Death Star, Darth Vader, and the 501 Legion.
The Enterprise has Spock(Total Badassness), and all there gay ships and any foot troops if they have any.
The Impirium has whatever they have in the games. So ya.
The setting is in one space battle just out of the orbit of Yavin and one battle on Kashyyke.
Every Team has 10,000 foot units at there disposal, 10 hover ships, and 25 mini walkers. They have 2 1000 reinforcements. Each foot soldier is either a sniper, a grenadier, a regular unit, or a spy.
So ya its gonna be a big battle Its Foggy on the Planet Kashyyke. To take out Really big ship you either have to board it or just take it out. If you board it then you can take control of it.
Eh heh... this is a joke, right? What I am about to say is part of days of research and planning, calculations, considerations, and rough estimates for every party.
IOW, this isn’t going to be fan-boy biased statements.
The Empire, and Starfleet, and the Borg, and the UNSC, and the Covenant
cannot do battle against the Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40,000).
Let us consider for a moment that there are 10 Battle Barges, each with roughly 1,000 Space Marines. I’m also going to give them 3 Retribution-Class Battleships (because a Battle Barge is not going to be carrying all 1,000 Marines plus equipment and vehicles).
The Empire gets 10,000 Storm Troopers, Star Fleet gets 1,000 Borgs, plus 9,000 other men, the UNSC gets 9,000 Marines, 1,000 Spartans, the Covenant gets a mixed force of 1,000 Brutes, 3,000 Elites, and 5,000 of the others, even split number. Spok, Master Chief, Arbiter, and Darth Vader meet and plan their defense of the planet Kashyyke. I give them the benefit of defender because they will probably get there before the Space Marines do. They get a month to prepare.
Space Marines start off out-numbered 4:1.
The Warp-gate opens. Starfleet scrambles 50 warships, including the Enterprise, and 15 Borg Cubes. The Empire scrambles 20 Imperial Star Destroyers and the second Death Star is waiting for them. The UNSC has a small cluster of MAC orbital defense cannons.
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Here are some notes on warships in the 40k Universe:
1. The ships of Warhammer 40,000 are built with, give or take the size of the ship, 100 meters of adamantium armor, which is 4x harder than diamond, and 6x more dense than titanium steel.
— That is a standard lance cannon that comes in numbers, almost every warship has one. This is as powerful as a single blast from the Death Star in the Battle of Endor. Oh yeah, the range of these weapons is several hundreds of kilometers. A man who helps operate one of these things may spend his entire life on it, him and his next three or four generations.
The reason I can say these lance batteries have the strength of the Endor Death Star single-shooting at the Rebel vessels is that lance batteries are designed to cut a warship clean in half and then force it into a cataclysmic explosion.
3. The sides of the warships have 60-meter wide cannons. A full broadside is capable of ripping into hulls of 40k warships.
4. Oh yeah, you have to get past the shields. There is a layer of shields that are designed to take 2-3 blasts of lance batteries (and remember, those are as powerful as shots from the Endor Death Star). These can recharge in a matter of minutes.
5. Boarding pods/gunboats. The pods used to board enemy vessels are designed to cut through adamantium armor once the shield is down. If the Imperium sent Space Marines aboard a Star Destroyer, the boarding pod would almost slice it in half.
6. Boarding an Imperial vessel with Storm Troopers led by Lord Vader? Ha, ha, ha, oh, you’re not joking? Several systems within the warship are manually hand-cranked like anchors pushed by a group of as many as 100 men. A capital ship is capable of holding a million crew members. They are trained to fight off daemonic powers that teleport straight inside, monsters 9 feet tall or bigger, and super soldiers that could flick their heads off.
7. Nova Cannons. The ultimate weapon of the Imperium. A single blast from a Nova Cannon (a shot that is almost the speed of light) will cause a near inter-dimensional implosion that spans roughly 270 kilometers in diameter. It will crinkle a city like someone would crinkle a wad of paper, and then explodes into vaporization like the center of a nuclear blast. These have an incredible range of at least 3,000 kilometers, give or take.
A fleet is capable of shooting these things at least once every minute. They are area-affect weapons against warships that stay in squadrons that are almost a hundred kilometers apart.
Combined with unceasing lance batteries and torpedoes (which can be, depending on the size of the ship, 30-60 meters in length), nova cannons are used to smack deep into the crust of a planet and cause it to explode.
I don’t know who or why people claim that the little laser cannons on a Star Destroyer can melt the surface of a city (If they can only cause little explosions on other ships, and I don’t know why they didn’t use them in the battle of Hoth if that’s their true capability)... but standard weaponry, not planet-killing or specialized nukes can destroy a world by means of complete vaporization... the power of a little of Spok’s special chemical in the new Star Trek movie.
8. The warships that are the size of Star Destroyers make up some of the smallest vessels in the fleet, and are at least twice as powerful and three times as tough. in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, they are so weak that they are used in a handful of squadrons and their only purpose is to be used as cannon fodder!
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But the Battle Barge is the best of the best of the Emperor’s Holy Navy, and there are 3 Nova Cannons.
Within moments, three 270 kilometer-wide blasts spaced slightly apart utterly annihilates almost all of the enemy war fleets assembling to meet them.
The Death Star shoots its weapon at a Retribution-class warship and does nothing but knock down shields for a few minutes. As the Death Star prepares to shoot again, a minute after firing the first Nova Cannon battery, a second wave is launched, one of them turning the Death Star into a massive fragmentation grenade, parts flying at untold speeds in all directions, ripping into nearby vessels.
Other warships that try to move in close find that each warship of the Imperium has a number of cannons as powerful as the Death Star, blasting individual warships with great ease. Even Borg Cubes are destroyed so quickly and violently that they cannot adapt.
The 13 warships move in, unleashing their thousands of fighters and bombers, destroying the remnants of resistance in space and taking out what threats are on the ground. They terrorize and level entire cities (if any), outposts. Nova Cannons mock underground fortresses, as 270 meters diameter are sucked in, and explode.
Reinforcements are on their way, but the Space Marines have begun to descend upon the planet.
You said 25 “mini” walkers? That’s equal to 25 Warhound scout titans in 40k. They blow up AT-AT walkers in single bursts of fire, mow down Spartan and Borg infantry squads, and mock laser-fire and small-arms fire.
The Space Marines themselves rocket out of orbit in Drop Pods, cracking the ground and accurately placing in high-priority locations.
Each Space Marine is 8-feet tall. He has received 15 more or less transplants and bio-mechanic upgrades in surgeries without anesthesia. He can crush a man’s skull with his bare hands. He can eat poisonous plants and animals, and gain light memories by eating the brains of his enemies. He can punch through brick walls and tear off the top hatches of tanks.
His helmet gives him all kinds of fields of vision, anything and everything he may need. He can fight on while sleeping. Weapons that tear him clean in half at the waist stop him only an hour later. His wounds scab over in seconds, and bullet holes the size of my fist heal in days. He fight on straight for a week’s time. He can take a fragmentation grenade to the face and fight on as if it were just a flesh wound.
He has received at least 100 years of training, and those numbered among the veterans are hundreds of years old. He has trained in a boot camp almost every day. Each tactical Space Marine specializes in every duty: turret-mounted weapons, anti-tank tactics, grenade placements, scouting, infiltration, the usage of every weapon and special weapon. He specializes in everything.
His bolter is a .75 magnum sub-machinegun, a barrel half the size of your face. He can shoot it with the accuracy of an average sniper, the bullets of which explode upon impact.
His lascannon, a weapon that could not be shoulder-mounted, and one that Master Chief would struggle to carry, can blow up tanks with relative ease. Multi-meltas burn holes in the thickest armor with the power of the sun, and Spartans and Borg alike turn into bubbling goo. Heavy Bolters are an even larger variant of the Bolter.
They cannot be poisoned through their masks, and their third lung allows them to breath atmospheres that would kill a man. They have a second heart, so that point on the chest is not a vulnerable weak spot.
A Space Marine veteran in Terminator armor can take anti-tank weapons like a Covenant Hunter. Yet, even a Hunter cannot match the power of a Terminator who comes equipped with an energy shield as powerful as a rolling Droideka as seen in Star Wars Episode I and II. Terminators are armed with a double-barreled Bolter called a Storm Bolter, as well as a power fist, capable of squeezing the armor on any vehicle like it were paper. A Terminator is capable of ripping a Covenant Brute clean in half, and punch a hole into a Hunter and toss him in the air before body-slamming him into the ground.
A Terminator with a thunderhammer can knock an AT-AT off it’s feet. And yet, there are a few hundred of them stalking the planet.
Aided by cannons 60-meters in diameter, laser lances, and torpedoes the size of the Star Wars Rebel Blockade Runner, all mounted weapons on the Battle Barges and Retribution-class Battleships, this planet is taken in the name of the Emperor of the Imperium.
Last edited 23 Jul 2009 04:49 pm by Colonel Marksman
The Imperium of Man effortlessly toys with all of them. Space Marines would easily kill the Sith. The Enterprise is too small and lacks the firepower to beat either... so yeah Imperium of Man has this.
Before I begin, Marksmen, you are aware that -every debate- of Imperium of Man vs Galactic Empire usually goes to the Empire with very few exceptions which are few and far in between.
— That is a standard lance cannon that comes in numbers, almost every warship has one. This is as powerful as a single blast from the Death Star in the Battle of Endor.
You’re a clear liar.
The reason I can say these lance batteries have the strength of the Endor Death Star single-shooting at the Rebel vessels is that lance batteries are designed to cut a warship clean in half and then force it into a cataclysmic explosion.
This is ignoring the fact that the Death Star’s laser can destroy planets.
4. Oh yeah, you have to get past the shields. There is a layer of shields that are designed to take 2-3 blasts of lance batteries (and remember, those are as powerful as shots from the Endor Death Star).
Again folks, no they’re not.
5. Boarding pods/gunboats. The pods used to board enemy vessels are designed to cut through adamantium armor once the shield is down. If the Imperium sent Space Marines aboard a Star Destroyer, the boarding pod would almost slice it in half.
SO the boarding pod can cut through Neutronium now?
6. Boarding an Imperial vessel with Storm Troopers led by Lord Vader? Ha, ha, ha, oh, you’re not joking? Several systems within the warship are manually hand-cranked like anchors pushed by a group of as many as 100 men. A capital ship is capable of holding a million crew members. They are trained to fight off daemonic powers that teleport straight inside, monsters 9 feet tall or bigger, and super soldiers that could flick their heads off.
I noticed you said, “Imperial Vessel” which is not trained to fight off daemonic powers that teleport straight inside (they don’t even arm their security with lethal weapons, as they’re afraid the weapon might cause an air breach) and they do not have Space Marines on board either.
A fleet is capable of shooting these things at least once every minute.
I’ve heard sources say 3-5 minutes, others say 30 minutes.
Combined with unceasing lance batteries and torpedoes (which can be, depending on the size of the ship, 30-60 meters in length), nova cannons are used to smack deep into the crust of a planet and cause it to explode.
If this is from the Firewarrior cinematic, I shall remind you that was only a small moon and it didn’t even explode.
I don’t know who or why people claim that the little laser cannons on a Star Destroyer can melt the surface of a city
Because we have hard numbers of 200 gigatons per shot (higher than IoM lance batteries), yottawatt broadsides, and a calc’d 16 petajoule point defense.
(If they can only cause little explosions on other ships, and I don’t know why they didn’t use them in the battle of Hoth if that’s their true capability)
Theater shields can tank it. It’s a plot point.
... but standard weaponry, not planet-killing or specialized nukes can destroy a world by means of complete vaporization...
You’re full of shit. You wank 40k so hard it’s not even funny. Exterminatus cyclonic torpedoes and virus bombs only set the surface of the world of fire. Tyranids have canonically survived Exterminatus by burrowing beneath the crust of the Earth.
the power of a little of Spok’s special chemical in the new Star Trek movie.
Black Hole generator is not vaporization.
8. The warships that are the size of Star Destroyers make up some of the smallest vessels in the fleet, and are at least twice as powerful and three times as tough. in the Warhammer 40,000 universe, they are so weak that they are used in a handful of squadrons and their only purpose is to be used as cannon fodder!
Again, bullshit. Or give me the source stating that Cobra-class destroyers are used as cannon fodder. Stardestroyers could dance with the Luna-class. This is ignoring the SSD’s, which are larger than any ship in WH40k.
The Death Star shoots its weapon at a Retribution-class warship and does nothing but knock down shields for a few minutes. As the Death Star prepares to shoot again, a minute after firing the first Nova Cannon battery, a second wave is launched, one of them turning the Death Star into a massive fragmentation grenade, parts flying at untold speeds in all directions, ripping into nearby vessels.
Everybody ignore this fucking wank. The Death Star would destroy any Imperial fleet, even without the superlaser. It has thousands of turbolasers and theatre shields capable of withstanding anything the Imperium will throw at it. Not to mention, the Nova cannon is a spinal mounted weapon, meaning the Imperium vessels will have to continually alter their course to aim the shot (where even the slightest degree off means a miss by hundreds of kilometers).
Also ignoring the fact that Star Wars ships are capable of engagement ranges of 10 light minutes, which is over 60,000x greater than the Imperiums (if the 3,000km figure is to be believed).
Other warships that try to move in close find that each warship of the Imperium has a number of cannons as powerful as the Death Star, blasting individual warships with great ease. Even Borg Cubes are destroyed so quickly and violently that they cannot adapt.
Prove your wank.
Fuck me, I’ve never seen more 40k wank in my entire life.
ricrery wrote:
Space Marines would easily kill the Sith.
ricrery wrote:
Space Marines would easily kill the Sith.
Probably stupid, incompetent Sith.
Uh no... the Jedi themselves couldn’t kill the incompetent clones who can’t hit the side of a barn. Space Marines can eat the brain of their enemy and gain some memories, that says a lot. Oh and the Librarian... those guys ARE Space Marines.
Uh no... the Jedi themselves couldn’t kill the incompetent clones who can’t hit the side of a barn. Space Marines can eat the brain of their enemy and gain some memories, that says a lot. Oh and the Librarian... those guys ARE Space Marines.
There are Sith who have crushed people into pulps with their minds. Turn them into ash with their lightning and thrown several thousand tons with their telekinesis.
A space marine charges one of these sith, and they’re pulled to pieces with a wave of their head.
Don’t talk about Jedi when you’re describing Sith. *points at self* Sith fan here.
ricery wrote:
Space Marines would easily kill the Sith.
Probably stupid, incompetent Sith.
Uh no... the Jedi themselves couldn’t kill the incompetent clones who can’t hit the side of a barn. Space Marines can eat the brain of their enemy and gain some memories, that says a lot. Oh and the Librarian... those guys ARE Space Marines.
Uh no... the Jedi themselves couldn’t kill the incompetent clones who can’t hit the side of a barn. Space Marines can eat the brain of their enemy and gain some memories, that says a lot. Oh and the Librarian... those guys ARE Space Marines.
There are Sith who have crushed people into pulps with their minds. Turn them into ash with their lightning and thrown several thousand tons with their telekinesis.
A space marine charges one of these sith, and they’re pulled to pieces with a wave of their head.
Don’t talk about Jedi when you’re describing Sith. *points at self* Sith fan here.
You didn’t bring up the Librarian. He’d destroy the Sith. Well most Psykers beat Force users.
Hey since I made this post I will bend the rules a little bit. I will give Star Wars 3 Sith Lords. They Get Darth Nihilus, Darth Vader(not in his suit, when he “just” gets corrupted), and Darth Sidious. And since everybody says that the Death Star sucks I will give them 2!! count em 2!! Death Stars. With double the shields.“What now bitch, take that Impirium."
chunkmaster wrote:
Hey since I made this post I will bend the rules a little bit. I will give Star Wars 3 Sith Lords. They Get Darth Nihilus, Darth Vader(not in his suit, when he “just” gets corrupted), and Darth Sidious. And since everybody says that the Death Star sucks I will give them 2!! count em 2!! Death Stars. With double the shields.“What now bitch, take that Impirium.“
Hey give us 10 Vortex Grenades then! Oh and give us Horus, he’ll solo the SW universe.
Lets give the starfleet a couple black hole thingama(nigers)“I can make that joke cas I’m black” so I doubt that will make a differece but you know just tryin to help
O.k. so if the Impirium is all good as good as everybody says they are then I will give them a handicap they only get 1/4 of what I said that they get, but they also get 2 Librarians, and 1 force commander
Give us Horus! He’ll just sneeze and the Death Star will blow up! Alpha Psykers can turn a person inside out with a glance, and Horus is much much much... MUCH... MUCH worse than an Alpha Psyker. Or give us an Alpha Psyker who’ll mindrape the SW army! Or split the Death Star in half with a snap of his fingers!
He’s the son of the GEOM. The GEOM has stopped time in the galaxy before. He is also capable of using galaxy destroying psychic attacks. Who’s to say his son can’t destroy the Death Star?
