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For all that love Dragonball and Dragonball Z! For those who loved it when they screamed really loudly and had the Earth shaking to its core when they powered up!

For those that think DBZ characters are the most powerful. Here are videos showing how powerful they really are,even when they are at their low levels.



Goku at such a young age already knew how to defend against and dodge bullets from the Army



Watch from 7.41 to end



Watch until 3.30 ish

See how fast they went



Watch from 1.45 to 3 and then 5 to 5.45 and see him destroy the MOON!



Yamcha was going so fast when fighting Saibaman that Gohan couldn’t even see him at first-think about normal humans and how they couldn’t see at all!



Goku was going so fast they couldn’t even see him move an inch,especially when he fought the Ginyu Force















1st minute of Broly
Watch after first minute in Buu clip

Planetrary and Cosmic destruction!!!





2.38-5.30



5.48 to 7.38

Tanking the blasts that destroy planets!!!



1.45 to end-Ripping through Dimensions!!!

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The DBZ characters can go toe to toe with comics, just not the high level heralds, skyfathers, and celestials.


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lol no one’s gonna watch all of those enjoy your waste of time.


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They can go toe to toe with comics, just not the high level heralds, skyfathers, and celestials.


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whoops


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derp


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I would put the Kais/Dabura at Godly levels as they are,well,Gods!

The only beings that could defeat them or any Gods from Marvel/DC are Majin Buu or Janemba-embodiments of evil OR Super Saiyan 3 Goku/Mystic Gohan/Gotenks/Vegetto/Gogeta

The REALLY POWERFUL Gods in comics whom have varying levels of power e.g. Thanos with Gauntlet/Ring or Galactus with nourishment or Thor with Odinforce and Warriors Rage would whoop SSJ3 Goku or Gohan but I think Vegetto or Gogeta could do it.

A Super Saiyan could certainly take Superman/Kallark/Sentry-like beings in a fair fight and EASILY WIN BY GOING SUPER SAIYAN 2.

A Super Saiyan 2 would have a great match against Silver Surfer or Hulk.

Super Saiyan 3s can take on MOST Gods.

See how I go by reputations a lot-Gods create and destroy the Universe-even the “weak” Gods of Dragonball

Oh yeah-any scans of match ups in Wizard comics?

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Well if what I heard is right.
No one in DBZ can go beyond skyfather levels...

Also I understand that there is a significant number of dudes that are stronger than Skyfather.


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ronki23 wrote: I would put the Kais/Dabura at Godly levels as they are,well,Gods!



They’re weak gods though. Pokemon has gods too and they get their asses kicked by Shedninja and Pikachu. XD

The only beings that could defeat them or any Gods from Marvel/DC are Majin Buu or Janemba-embodiments of evil OR Super Saiyan 3 Goku/Mystic Gohan/Gotenks/Vegetto/Gogeta



They are around herald level though.

The REALLY POWERFUL Gods in comics whom have varying levels of power e.g. Thanos with Gauntlet/Ring or Galactus with nourishment or Thor with Odinforce and Warriors Rage would whoop SSJ3 Goku or Gohan but I think Vegetto or Gogeta could do it.



Those guys are too strong.

A Super Saiyan could certainly take Superman/Kallark/Sentry-like beings in a fair fight and EASILY WIN BY GOING SUPER SAIYAN 2.

A Super Saiyan 2 would have a great match against Silver Surfer or Hulk.



Depends on the comic book versions.

Super Saiyan 3s can take on MOST Gods.



Pokemon gods, yes.

See how I go by reputations a lot-Gods create and destroy the Universe-even the “weak” Gods of Dragonball



Only gods that they are stronger than are Pokemon and Mortal Kombat gods.

Oh yeah-any scans of match ups in Wizard comics?



Non-cannon.


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Kaoru if Superman prime 1 million invades DBZ... how he would be compared to DBZ verse??
Why is he called 1 million??
And how he would do against a Vegito ssj1.


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Mike8UN wrote: Kaoru if Superman prime 1 million invades DBZ... how he would be compared to DBZ verse??



He’s overkill.

Why is he called 1 million??



He stayed in the sun for 15,000 years.

And how he would do against a Vegito ssj1.



Curbstomp in 1 million’s favor. He’s even stronger than Pre-Crisis.


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While hunting down Nighs who could deal with time loops(for another fight) i came acros some people addressing DBZ — make of this list what you will

http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=272366&page=4
From the link above-

“Goes without saying; The Omnipotents (TOAA, LoN, The Presense, etc)
Marvel’s Nigh Omnipotent (LT, The Infinites, PR Beyonder, Pheonix Of The White Crown, etc)
DC’s Nigh Omnipotents (Lucifer Morningstar, The Spectre, Mr. Mxyzpltk, etc)
Galactus (Marvel)
Parallax (DC)
Tsunami, Tokimi, Washu, Tenchi, Z, Kain, The Counteractor, Ryoko, 1st/2nd gen Treeship (Tenchiverse)
Adam Warlock (w/IG/Marvel)
Thanos (w/ HotU or IG/Marvel)
The Kismet (DC)
Ion (DC)
Titans, Gold Saints, Kami Saints, Shogun Marines, H-level Specters, Celestial (Saint Seiya)
Eternity, Death, Oblivion and Infinity (Marvel)
The Anti-Monitor (DC)
Imperiex (DC)
Superman (Prime, M, and PC)
Super Sonic
Silver Surfer (Anniliation)
Superboy Prime
Dark Schneider (Bastard!!)
Dr. Strange
Yuri Hyuga (Shadow Hearts)
Ayato Kamina w/RahXephon (RahXephon)
Sun Wukong (Journey to the West)
Fei Fong Wong (Xenogears)
Infinity Dragon (BoF4)
Lenneth Valkyrie (Valkyrie Profile)
Ryo Sanada (Yoroiden Samurai Troopers)
Hellmaster Phibrizzo (Slayers)
Ifurita (El-Hazard)
Gladiator (Marvel)
Cthulhu Mythos (Elder Gods, Great Old Ones, and Outer Gods)
Akira (Akira)
The Chaos Gods, The C’Tan, Powerful Psykers, The Emperor of Man (Warhammer)
PC Darkseid
— Need series that they are affiliated with — — Emperor Joker
Scott Free w/Anti - Life equation
Orion w/Anti - Life equation
Anti - Life entity
The Thunderbolt
The Human UI
The Machine UI
Cosmocrats
Chaotarchs — — need series that they are affiliated with — -
KC Flash
The Shrike (Hyperion)
Saint of Killer (Preacher)
Mephisto (???)
Odinforce Thor
Juggernaut
Heart Disease (Funny Mike)
Amazo
Lobo
Captain Marvel (DC)
Belldandy (Oh My Goddess!)
New Sun
Laharl, Zetta, Zenon, and Trenia (Nippon Ichi)
Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon)
Popeye
Jane (Enders)


Who cannot beat Goku?

Narutoverse
OPverse (One Piece)
Bleachverse
RKverse (Rurouni Kenshin)
Cloud (Final Fantasy 7 series)
Hunter X Hunter
Tetsuo (Akira)
Sesshoumaru (Inuyasha)
Brainiac 13
PC Hal Jordan (because of yellow weakness)
Wonder Woman (DC)
Cyborg Superman (DC)
Reborn Palpatine
Ori Prior
Jedi, Jedi Master, Sith (average ones)“



In any case, Was not there a giant fight not too long ago detailing that the SSj transformations do NOT , in comparison to comics, allow dbz chars to go up leagues like that? With just X50 + strength increases and such? I mean, very few people specifically only require that much more to be beat


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disclaimer: that list above was in a kratos vs hulk fight, so....


— — — — — — — — — —
Overall, yes DBZ' s powers are potent, but how can the transformations make a diff against a oppnent they can’t beat non-transformed?


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Kaoru Hanayama wrote:

Mike8UN wrote: Kaoru if Superman prime 1 million invades DBZ... how he would be compared to DBZ verse??



He’s overkill.

Why is he called 1 million??



He stayed in the sun for 15,000 years.

And how he would do against a Vegito ssj1.



Curbstomp in 1 million’s favor. He’s even stronger than Pre-Crisis.


O.o that is crazy...

15,000 years in a place that has a temperature of 6000ºC (something that represented a problem even for SSJ4 Goku) with an insane gravity force X_X

That is really broken...


And that super is the actual version of comics??

By the way why superman is weaker in the post crisis??
I heard something about Anti Monitor war but nos sure if it has something to do with this.

So the questions would be:
1) 1 million is the strongest version of super?
2) Why post crisis is weak against pre crisis?
3) I do not have idea of the time line Can someone help me? :P please


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Tippership Commander wrote: disclaimer: that list above was in a kratos vs hulk fight, so....


— — — — — — — — — —
Overall, yes DBZ' s powers are potent, but how can the transformations make a diff against a oppnent they can’t beat non-transformed?



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Tippership Commander wrote: disclaimer: that list above was in a kratos vs hulk fight, so....


— — — — — — — — — —
Overall, yes DBZ' s powers are potent, but how can the transformations make a diff against a oppnent they can’t beat non-transformed?



Not sure. Goku has yet to master SSJ3. :[

O.o that is crazy...

15,000 years in a place that has a temperature of 6000ºC (something that represented a problem even for SSJ4 Goku) with an insane gravity force X_X

That is really broken...



Yep.

And that super is the actual version of comics??



Yes, he’s cannon, but he occurs in the future one million years from now. That’s why he’s called Superman 1 million.

By the way why superman is weaker in the post crisis??



He was too strong in Pre-Crisis. They had to power him down to give him good enemies to fight.

I heard something about Anti Monitor war but nos sure if it has something to do with this.



It does. The Anti-Monitor War is known as Crisis on Infinite Earths. After the COIE, Superman got weaker.

So the questions would be:
1) 1 million is the strongest version of super?



Yes.

2) Why post crisis is weak against pre crisis?



The writers made Superman weaker. XD

3) I do not have idea of the time line Can someone help me? :P please



Golden Age (1939 to 1950s) — — — -> Silver Age (1960s to 1985) — — -> Crisis on Infinite Earths (1985) — — — > Post Crisis (1985 to current) — — — > Infinite Crisis — — — - Final Crisis (Current)


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Mike8UN wrote: Well if what I heard is right.
No one in DBZ can go beyond skyfather levels...

Also I understand that there is a significant number of dudes that are stronger than Skyfather.




no one is beyond herold level never mind skyfather


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heavenly king wrote:

Mike8UN wrote: Well if what I heard is right.
No one in DBZ can go beyond skyfather levels...

Also I understand that there is a significant number of dudes that are stronger than Skyfather.




no one is beyond herold level never mind skyfather



The heralds are bad enough. The Skyfathers are just overkill and I don’t even want to think about the Celestials.


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Hey thanks a lot for the info Kaoru!! ^^ Now I understand smiley


By the way HK good to see you
you think you can help with this topic with your opinion?
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-forum/imperiex-prime-vs-z-75538/#msg2654993


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no on in dbz have hulk durability at all


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