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Standard vs forum procedures
These are standard procedures in all credible vs forums such as Narutofan or KMC. For one Spite/One sided threads which are normally used to get a reaction out of people would be locked(Unless it is a joke thread)
The debate goes until a consensus is reached, and once a character is said to be the winner, the thread will be locked. All other procedures are variations of the actual site rules. So no spamming,trolling, or flaming a person or character to get a reaction out of some one.
Do not create duplicate threads either(This means, if there is already a SSJ1 Goku vs 9 tails Kyuubi, do not make a new one, you are free to use another version or form of the character, as long as it is not a topic as well.
Use the Search Function
To reduce the number of duplicate threads that have been created over time, please search and see if your battle has not already been made. If it has and it has, and has not been locked and you have a intelligent argument to present to the discussion, feel free to post in the thread. If a consensus to the thread was made, chose different versions of the characters at hand.
Plot Induced Stupidity
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don’t use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics.
This is something that is not allowed to help your side in versus debates, as it shows certain characters not using their full power in battles, such as Cell being a threat to Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, when Gohan would have had no problem defeating Cell since he had the clear advantage of winning the fight.
Character Induced Stupidity
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively.
Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb.
As for examples of CIS, Jar Jar or Rhino’s stupidity, or Goku being generally a good person who enjoys a fight, even when there’s a possible chance that he would lose.
Generally in debates, CIS is on unless specified otherwise by the thread creator, and vice versa.
Bloodlust
Now, to get into the bloody stuff. It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability. That means they will use any powers at their disposal.
For example, even though The Flash doesn’t clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
And there’s a reason for that, mainly because CIS will get in the way of things, and tarnish some debates. For example, Sephiroth letting Cloud beat him. CIS.
Mainly for bloodlust, the character is going to do everything in his power to defeat his opponent. Not just go in for the kill right off, otherwise, there’s no point in even having a debate.
CIS can still be on, even with bloodlust, but in some cases, it’s best not to have it on while bloodlust is in effect.
No Omnipotents in Debates
This means no one like The Living Tribunal, Dragon God, L-Sama, The Presence, TOAA, or along the like. They are walking no limits fallacies, and shouldn’t be allowed in debates, since they dwarf the power of anyone besides those that are in their category, but they are not exempt from joke threads.
No Limit Fallacies
The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomena can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold.
For a gross example, observing that a shield can easily withstand an attack from a particular weapon, one might illogically conclude that the shield could withstand fire from an unlimited number of those weapons at the same time, or that it could withstand fire from a similar weapon that was much more powerful.
For example, Darkseid has stated that no can stand up to his Omega Beams, which he emits from his eyes, but when in actuality, Superman, and other certain characters have withstood his OE, which proves his statement to be false.
Or that only those of the Uchiha clan who have the ability to use the Mangekyo Sharingan can stop Itachi, or any other high class Sharingan user.
And to give you an example of the other types of fallacies, go to this link.
Spite Threads/Bait Threads
Now, a spite thread is usually considered as a thread opened to intentionally be one-sided (because the poster may not like that character, or opened to goad another person into responding, etc.).
And also, don’t bash other members in the versus forums just because they have a different opinion than you on something, or is/are debating for the opposite character that you are debating for.
And if things such as this get heated, and/or don’t stop, report this to one of the admins of Moviecodec, or PM the section moderators about it, and we will act upon it A.S.A.P.
Rules/Standard Fight/Battle Settings
In most cases, the poster who originally set up the versus fight determines the conditions of the fight itself (ex. If a character like Superman is in a thread, it’ll be assumed that it’s the current version unless mentioned otherwise by the thread starter, the same goes with Thanos without the IG, and so on). However, in the cases where the original poster did not set down any constraints or conditions for the fight, then the match would default to the standard rules below.
Or, we could go with a general consensus of the debaters in the thread posting to come to a decision as to which versions of said characters are to be used in order to have a solid debate, and not a rape/one sided thread.
And just to add onto this rule, when making a debate, actually set some rules before you make the battle/debate, and not edit the rules over and over again just to give a certain character an edge over another, just to make it one sided, or spiteful to the other character, or the member(s) who are debating for him, or the rules will be set to how they were when the thread first began.
Prep Time
Neither side receives any notable prep time before the starting bell unless the thread starter specifies it. Neither side may take any offensive or defensive actions before the starting bell. Planning is allowed and powers that are automatic or 'always on' can be up, but actions such as setting up forcefields, taking flight, or consciously activating powers is not. For example, Batman cannot shove together an 'anti-Avengers ray' before the fight.
Standard Equipment In Versus Debates
Each side starts out with the equipment that they normally and have been shown to consistently carry on them. For example, Daredevil would have his billy-club, but Reed Richards would not have the Ultimate Nullifier.
In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they’re active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them.
For example, in a scenario set in the DCU, Green Lantern would have access to equipment in the JLA Watchtower, but not the Titans headquarters.
The only thing about the rules in a scenario fight is that you would have to specify as to what the characters would have access to other than their regular/standard equipment, other than assuming that they would have access to everything in their arsenal, including things outside of their standard equipment.
Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character’s homeworld knows.
For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he’s Clark Kent is not.
Basic knowledge about the other character isn’t an auto in versus debates unless stated by the thread creator, and vice versa.
Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character’s personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal.
For another example, even though The Flash doesn’t clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
And don’t use cheesy excuses, or things such as this.
[insert character here] absorbs [insert character here]. [insert character here] wins.
Or
[insert character here] destroys the universe. [insert character here] wins.
Actually debate, instead of taking the easy route, making up excuses.
No outside help
Unless specified otherwise, no contestant may call for outside assistance, even in scenario matches. For example, Captain America cannot call in the Avengers during a fight with Batman.
Leaving the field
Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match. If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power in a reasonable amount of time, then they are still in the fight.
Obviously, if a combatant leaves the field and cannot return under their own power, then they have lost.
No Bias Claims
Batman can beat Thor because he’s cooler!" That’s an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources, and vice versa, depending on whether canon or non canon is allowed, or even both. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it.
And furthermore, don’t call each other fanboys, or any name of the like just to start a random flame war between you and the other debaters debating about a certain topic. Either have some common decency, or don’t debate.
And I can’s stress this enough. When you make a claim, it’s best to have some credible evidence, or some form of logic to prove your statements, not your biased opinion, if you are a biased person, or something of that order on a certain subject.
And another thing, just don’t come into a debate and saying that [insert character here] wins, for every single debate. At least give a reason as to why, other than doing it just to increase your post count.
Remember, we don’t debate just to argue with one another, we also debate to have fun, don’t take these debates seriously as if they are going to come to fruition, or you really hate it when your favorite character(s) might not win in a debate.
Canon/Non Canon Sources
When making a debate, please specify as to whether you are going to use canon, or non canon, because if you don’t then it could be assumed that either one, the other, or both are actually allowed in debates.
And don’t allow both to be used, because in most cases, canon and non canon contradict each other in many ways in debates. For example, in the manga Dragon Ball, it was stated by The South Supreme Kai that Majin Buu has destroyed several hundred planets, while in the anime, it was stated by The South Supreme Kai that he has destroyed galaxies, when there are only but 4 galaxies in the Dragon Ball Universe.
And another thing, it would be nice to specify as to if you are using canon, non canon, or both in your debates, otherwise, people can assume that it can be one or the other, or possibly even both.
If nothing is specified, then the threads will go with the canon material, and that can be the manga, or the anime, depending on which is made first.
Concerning The Battlefield
All characters, regardless of where the fight takes place, or what universe/medium they are native to, will have full access to their abilities at optimum efficiency as they are depicted in their native universes.
It will be assumed that each character fights as they are normally presented regardless of battle locale. This means that, for example, Flash will in fact have SpeedForce abilities if the battle took place in Marvel Manhattan. Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field.
And to add onto this rule, some characters have increased/decreased in power depending on which version that you use, so make sure to specify as to which version of said character that you are using in said debate, so there will be no confusion.
Proving a Negative
The fallacy of appealing to lack of proof of the negative is a type of logical fallacy of the following form:
“This exists because there is no proof that it does not exist.“
Non-fallacious ways to prove something include the use of logical syllogisms and/or the incorporation of empirical observations. But it is not logical to argue that something exists simply because there is no proof to the contrary; one cannot say, “No one has proven that aliens do not exist.
Therefore, based on that alone, they must exist, notwithstanding that I have no evidence that they do exist”. Given (as it is above) that it was not proven that aliens do not exist, they might exist, but this alone does not prove them to exist.
Another common example is that, “A supernatural force must exist because there is no proof that it does not exist”. However, the converse is also true, according to the argument from ignorance: One also cannot say that, “I have not seen proof that something supernatural exists, therefore a supernatural force cannot exist”.
Also, similar to the aliens in the above example, since no proof is available that this does not exist, it might exist, but this alone does not prove it to exist.
Concerning Speed/Super Speed
When making a claim of determining one’s speed, proof is needed of thus. For example:
Debater A - “Raditz is faster than the speed of light, as stated by Piccolo in Dragon Ball, which makes it true
Debater B - “Why, yes, I can. In the English Version of Dragon Ball, it was stated by Piccolo that he is faster than the speed of light, while in the Original Japanese Version of Dragon Ball, it was not stated by Piccolo that he is faster than the speed of light.
And in this case, we go by the Original Japanese Version, since it was made before The English Version, which can change things around, to make certain characters faster and/or stronger than they seem to actually be, and use such things as hyperbolic statements.
The best way to prove the speed of said character is to go by time frames, which dictate how fast a certain character, is, depending on what they are doing.
This is an example of a time frame.
This scan explains to us how fast Goku could move as a child, while training with Master Roshi, and his best friend, Krillin.
Hyperbolic Statements
Hyperbole is just an extreme exaggeration. For example, you could say, “I’m so hungry, I can eat a horse." He ate potatoes o yes and sweet potatoes o yes, and if a live oh yes to see next fall o yes i wont have a garden at all.
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And finally, the last rule for versus debates.
This in no way applies to the versus joke threads that have been made, or will be made in the future.
If you, or someone else is to make a vs topic, then for a good tip, don’t use polls as a way for a certain character to win a debate, because someone can use their alternate accounts to shift the balance of the polls to their favor if he/she so wished it.
Because of this, it tarnishes the vs debates, making the debates virtually useless. And if said debates goes on and on, virtually with no end, we will consult a moderator, or moderators, to decide who wins said debate through what has been posted and shown as fact, and not assumptions or mere speculation and come to a decision. Such versus debates will either end with one character, or team winning, or said versus debates will end in a draw.
Use facts, proof, scans, or whatever knowledge that you know of in vs debates to back what you say, other than using the polls as another way out of actually debating. Don’t use faulty reasoning to help yourself in debates.
For example:
Debater A - [insert character here] has the power to destroy the universe, as it was shown him doing so in this scan.
Debater B - That’s just fine, I still think that [insert character here] can beat him.
This is an example of how to not debate.
And when you debate, have a reason as to why you say that [insert character here] has a chance of winning, or actually wins the battle, other than just saying that he wins without having any reason as to why, or just being biased because you like [insert character here] better than the other.
Extra Important Threads
Anime/Manga/Misc. Tiers List
Character Levels/Tiers
Debate Outcomes Directory
Extra Guidelines for Versus Debates
New Debate Terminology
Official Character Creation Topic
Respect Thread Directory
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