When u think about it Cloud never really beat Seph. The first Cloud had like 8 or more people with him, and the second time Seph wasn’t even using half his power. Not to mention he wasn’t even fused with Loz and that other guy yet. On the other hand Sephiroth never held back on Zack. and Zack even managed to put up a bit of a fight.
When u think about it Cloud never really beat Seph. The first Cloud had like 8 or more people with him, and the second time Seph wasn’t even using half his power. Not to mention he wasn’t even fused with Loz and that other guy yet. On the other hand Sephiroth never held back on Zack. and Zack even managed to put up a bit of a fight.
Zack never even had a chance against Sephiroth, He got man handled worse than Cloud did in FF:AC. Cloud, by the end of FFVII, had achieved strength far greater than Zack. Now, I have great respect and, in fact, like him very much, but I’m positive that Cloud surpassed him in every way. The only thing Zack had over Cloud was Aerith’s heart, and some might say that makes Zack the true winner
Yeah we all know Zack never stood a chance against Sephiroth, and like i said Sephiroth never held back on Zack which was why he got owned so bad. U can clearly see he wasn’t even taking cloud seriously in AC otherwise he would’ve been dead 2 minutes into the fight. Has anyone even seen Last Order. Zack can move much faster than bullets. Cloud was fast too but not as fast as Zack
King_Behemoth wrote:
Yeah we all know Zack never stood a chance against Sephiroth, and like i said Sephiroth never held back on Zack which was why he got owned so bad. U can clearly see he wasn’t even taking cloud seriously in AC otherwise he would’ve been dead 2 minutes into the fight. Has anyone even seen Last Order. Zack can move much faster than bullets. Cloud was fast too but not as fast as Zack
Cloud dodges lightning before “finding his old strength” Lightning>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bullets.
Zack also had an controlled version of Jenova’s cells put in him by Hojo, and he had part of Sephiroth in him to just like Cloud. Not to mention Zack took out Angeal, Genisis x3, Bahamut, Bahamut Fury, Ifrit, and 1000+ shinra troops. They were even sending helicopters and missiles at the guy. Don’t get me wrong Cloud is strong and eventually surpasses Zack in every way, but Zack is stronger then Cloud up until Advent Children
Zack also had an controlled version of Jenova’s cells put in him by Hojo, and he had part of Sephiroth in him to just like Cloud. Not to mention Zack took out Angeal, Genisis x3, Bahamut, Bahamut Fury, Ifrit, and 1000+ shinra troops. They were even sending helicopters and missiles at the guy. Don’t get me wrong Cloud is strong and eventually surpasses Zack in every way, but Zack is stronger then Cloud up until Advent Children
^Except for Sephiroth, and Jenova, and Weiss, and Nero, and Rosso, and Azul, the list goes on. I would also like to point out that Sephiroth didn’t need to merge with Loz and Yazoo in addition to Kadaj in order to achieve his full strength.
But seriously, I would say Zack and Cloud are roughly equals. Cloud is stronger than Zack in the physical sense, but he doesn’t have the same sort of elite training that Zack did. So Zack would be stronger in the sense that he was more skilled, and more versatile.
Whereas Cloud is more or less straight up swordsman, Zack has hand-to-hand combat techniques to fall back on. Though Cloud has stronger Limit Breaks.
And For every feat Cloud has preformed, Zack has done something just as good, or better, and vice versa. So yeah, in terms of raw brute strength, Cloud is better by the end of ffvii and ACC, but if were talking about who is better overall, then I would have to say they are equal.
Noctis wrote:
^Except for Sephiroth, and Jenova, and Weiss, and Nero, and Rosso, and Azul, the list goes on. I would also like to point out that Sephiroth didn’t need to merge with Loz and Yazoo in addition to Kadaj in order to achieve his full strength.
Didn’t need to merge? are you a moron? Have you even watched the movie properly? Kadaj was a host that brings back Seph because he doesn’t HAVE a physical body to come back to. And Jenova’s liquuid was the catalyst to bring him back.
Seph is utterly and fully dead to the physical world. And he can’t come back contrary to wanking fans who seem to think he can. morons the lot of them.
Noctis wrote:
But seriously, I would say Zack and Cloud are roughly equals. Cloud is stronger than Zack in the physical sense, but he doesn’t have the same sort of elite training that Zack did. So Zack would be stronger in the sense that he was more skilled, and more versatile.
You really need to get this straight. Training isn’t everything. Cloud proved that when he fought Seph who is the strongest swordsman in the world.
Noctis wrote:
Whereas Cloud is more or less straight up swordsman, Zack has hand-to-hand combat techniques to fall back on. Though Cloud has stronger Limit Breaks.
my god...you manage to come up with some ridiculous shit. Bullshit after bullshit....jeezus...
Noctis wrote:
And For every feat Cloud has preformed, Zack has done something just as good, or better, and vice versa. So yeah, in terms of raw brute strength, Cloud is better by the end of ffvii and ACC, but if were talking about who is better overall, then I would have to say they are equal.
I said he didn’t need to merge with Loz or Yazoo in addition to Kadaj, to achieve full power, he only needed Kadaj.
You also seem to forget that Sephiroth was toying with Cloud, and as I said Cloud has better limit breaks, than Zack, such as Omnislash or Omnislash V.5 and V.6, without which Sephiroth would have crushed him as easily as Zack.
And how is Cloud being a straight up swordsman BS? Aside from materia I’ve never seen him use anything else in the compilation other than his sword. And Zack learned hand-to-hand-combat from Angeal, as shown by one of his limits, no BS here.
And yeah, Cloud has done things on par with Zack, and vice versa. Zack got shot up real bad and lived for awhile. Cloud got slashed up pretty bad in ACC, not hurt as bad as Zack but close, and was able to keep going, albiet with Zack’s help.
Zack took Bahamut, and Bahamut Fury respectively, while Cloud, with a bit of help from his friends, took Bahamut SIN. So really, I don’t see how anything in my arguement is BS.
BTW, I never said training was everything, I simply said Zack had more of it, which would give him a slight edge in terms of skill. Thats why people train you know, to become skilled.
Two things.
1. Without Zack there would be NO CLOUD AT ALL.
2. If they both happened to survive, Zack would easily surpass Cloud, in both defense(Got harsh shot), and offense.(Way more skills, rather then just a sword which cloud can barely handle.)
Zack_rulesz wrote:
Two things.
1. Without Zack there would be NO CLOUD AT ALL.
2. If they both happened to survive, Zack would easily surpass Cloud, in both defense(Got harsh shot), and offense.(Way more skills, rather then just a sword which cloud can barely handle.)
The point is Zack didn’t survive, the thread is Zack before he died and Cloud at the end of FFVII. Cloud takes on Zack ego for the first 2/3 of the game, and then finally leaves Zack’s ego and more or less finds himself. Zack didn’t react to the jenova treatment where as Cloud did (it says so in Hojo’s reports). Those Jenova cells and the advanced mako treatment Cloud went through (they were trying to turn Cloud into a Sephiroth clone) made him as strong as he is.
Cloud is Zack’s living legacy, carrying on where Zack left off... Cloud, in principle, is SUPPOSE to be stronger than Zack by the end...
Also, as a side point. Cloud and Zack would never fight each other.
Cloud wins a fight with Zack, but then Zack get love from Aerith... which makes Cloud cry in a corner.
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