Zack vs Cloud

Which one is Zack from? Eight?

1. have you watched the first Video i posted that is dire proof Zeo pwn’s Sin in power he wiped out the moon and a portion of earth with his Mega Flare, Sin was gonna take out a town at best, it is smple by pure feat alone it prove’s itself stronger if anything Prove Sin is superior.

All I wanted was proof, but Bahamut Zero is nothing on AC Sephiroth.

Zack made Omni-Slash, any man can throw a punch but to kreate a tech require’s skill Zack say’s “his move” meaning exactly what he said simple as, and Zack died defending Cloud against hundred’s of Solider’s without him there was no Cloud.

Prove that he made it. I could say Cloud made the sword he’s using because it’s his. Zack died because he’s not as badass as you’re making him out to be. He didn’t fight Soldiers, he fought normal MPs like a CC Cloud.

Zack fought Genesis, Bahamut, Bahamut Zero, Sephiroth and Minerva the Godess of Gia Hundred’s of Solider’s to name a few and beat all but Sephiroth who he fought for around as long as Cloud in Crisis Core (not Last Order lol) so id say he did well before he died, Cloud however was killed in AC by Loz and Yazzo before being revived.

Do you want me to make a list of all the beasts that Cloud fought in VII? Cloud has more experience than Zack.
What has Cloud dying got to do with anything? It only shows he surpasses Zack because don’t you think Aeris would have left Cloud dead and bring back Zack? Fact is, the world needs a savior, and it’s not Zack.

Were douse it say the move come’s to those that poses the Buster Sword?, if so why douse it work in AC when Cloud no longer used it?

Because Clouds sword is the same weapon, but futurised.

They are both useing Buster Sword witch mean’s if Cloud lost it he is out matched in hand to hand, next Sephiroth never held back on Zack something we all no he did with Cloud, like you said Seph was more powerful but he never used his piritual control or Magic he used his skill (witch would have improved none since he was dead after Crisis Core so he dident exactly train did he).

How do you know Cloud will have all his sword fused together? But the fact remains, Cloud is gonna kill Zack before he loses his sword. So what is your proof he didn’t hold back on Zack then? Seee assumption, assumption, assumption.Yup he uses brute force BUT AC Sephiroth is more powerful than the Sephiroth Zack fought, why isn’t this sinking in. Sephiroth didn’t die after CC what the fuck are you talking about? Shinra said he died to cover their ass,see how am I supposed to believe anything you say when you say stuff like that? And actually Sephiroth didn’t have to train while in the lifestream, he absorbed it, gaining knowlegde and wisdom which is > skill.

And Cloud beat Seph with a party first time, And second round was in the LifeStream tell me if there is nothing Ubove Sephiroth then why is Omni-Slash so effective basically saying anyone that fast beat’s Sephiroth?

WRONG, HE BEAT HIM AT NIBLEHEIM FIRST. THE TEAM HELPED IN VII BUT CLOUD STILL SOLOED HIM MAKING VII CLOUD > ZACK.
Does Cloud fight at omnislash pace? Just because Sephiroth is the most powerful doesn’t mean he can’t lose, what the fuck are you on about there?

And Third he was clearly owning Cloud from begining to end of th fight he could have killed him but instead he toyed and if his skill is the same Zack did better

Oh shut up, I’m really tired of this playing with Cloud bullshit. Cloud was outmatched, nothing to suggest he was playing because the UO didn’t say so, you’re really broken here because you’re not listening AT ALL. Should a would a could a. Sephiroth was fighting, he took Cloud out at the oppurtunity when he was fatigued. You have no idea how much Cloud hates Sephiroth.

. Zack couldent beat Sephiroth not holding back neither could Cloud he could have killed Cloud in AC but instead he took his time inflicting pain upon him, as ive pointed out a thousand time’s UO say’s Sephiroth outclassed Cloud and toyed with him end of.

Zack lost to a weaker Sephiroth, you just don’t listen do you, DO YOU?
OUTMATCHED not outclassed. He never toyed with him. His arrogance got the better of him AFTER HE BEAT CLOUD. No it’s not the end of, because you;re saying it as if Sephiroth was there for shits and giggles. He wanted to wear him down physically, THEN batter him emotionally WHICH WAS AFTER THE BATTLE.

Ive pretty much just answered the next 2 as your just stateing the same thing’s again post something from UO if your so sure it said that lol because i know for a fact it dousent dude.

Why don’t you buy it like other people? Why don’t you post something from the UO then. You can’t because you got your info from an interpretation, remember you showed me that link? Thats not what the UO said, it’s what the person writing it said.


Red Calibur, tell him to read the UO please.

UO?

Anyways, Cloud gets way better than Zack. You put AC Cloud against Zack, but treat him like the grunt he used to be.

You have no idea how much Cloud hates Sephiroth.

That’s supposed to be the other way around.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: First Tsurugi >>> Buster Sword

wtf lol

Cloud’s AC sword is way better than the Buster Sword.

Therefor, Omnislash V5 >>>> Omnislash.

I dont see how it is?

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This is Spartan 117 wrote: Which one is Zack from? Eight?

He is in FFVII but for the most part FF Crisis Core

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Red_Calibur9 wrote: UO?

Anyways, Cloud gets way better than Zack. You put AC Cloud against Zack, but treat him like the grunt he used to be.

it was like 2 mabe three year’s Cloud had not become that much better he needed a team in VII to fight Sephiroth Zack fought him alone, and before you start “he was more powerful” prove he used more effort on Cloud in VII than he did on Zack or even in AC were he held back most his ability’s.

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: UO?

Anyways, Cloud gets way better than Zack. You put AC Cloud against Zack, but treat him like the grunt he used to be.

it was like 2 mabe three year’s Cloud had not become that much better he needed a team in VII to fight Sephiroth Zack fought him alone, and before you start “he was more powerful” prove he used more effort on Cloud in VII than he did on Zack or even in AC were he held back most his ability’s.

well lets put it this way...
Zack died
cloud didn’t

Buster Sword wrote:

1. have you watched the first Video i posted that is dire proof Zeo pwn’s Sin in power he wiped out the moon and a portion of earth with his Mega Flare, Sin was gonna take out a town at best, it is smple by pure feat alone it prove’s itself stronger if anything Prove Sin is superior.

All I wanted was proof, but Bahamut Zero is nothing on AC Sephiroth.

Zack made Omni-Slash, any man can throw a punch but to kreate a tech require’s skill Zack say’s “his move” meaning exactly what he said simple as, and Zack died defending Cloud against hundred’s of Solider’s without him there was no Cloud.

Prove that he made it. I could say Cloud made the sword he’s using because it’s his. Zack died because he’s not as badass as you’re making him out to be. He didn’t fight Soldiers, he fought normal MPs like a CC Cloud.

Zack fought Genesis, Bahamut, Bahamut Zero, Sephiroth and Minerva the Godess of Gia Hundred’s of Solider’s to name a few and beat all but Sephiroth who he fought for around as long as Cloud in Crisis Core (not Last Order lol) so id say he did well before he died, Cloud however was killed in AC by Loz and Yazzo before being revived.

Do you want me to make a list of all the beasts that Cloud fought in VII? Cloud has more experience than Zack.
What has Cloud dying got to do with anything? It only shows he surpasses Zack because don’t you think Aeris would have left Cloud dead and bring back Zack? Fact is, the world needs a savior, and it’s not Zack.

Were douse it say the move come’s to those that poses the Buster Sword?, if so why douse it work in AC when Cloud no longer used it?

Because Clouds sword is the same weapon, but futurised.

They are both useing Buster Sword witch mean’s if Cloud lost it he is out matched in hand to hand, next Sephiroth never held back on Zack something we all no he did with Cloud, like you said Seph was more powerful but he never used his piritual control or Magic he used his skill (witch would have improved none since he was dead after Crisis Core so he dident exactly train did he).

How do you know Cloud will have all his sword fused together? But the fact remains, Cloud is gonna kill Zack before he loses his sword. So what is your proof he didn’t hold back on Zack then? Seee assumption, assumption, assumption.Yup he uses brute force BUT AC Sephiroth is more powerful than the Sephiroth Zack fought, why isn’t this sinking in. Sephiroth didn’t die after CC what the fuck are you talking about? Shinra said he died to cover their ass,see how am I supposed to believe anything you say when you say stuff like that? And actually Sephiroth didn’t have to train while in the lifestream, he absorbed it, gaining knowlegde and wisdom which is > skill.

And Cloud beat Seph with a party first time, And second round was in the LifeStream tell me if there is nothing Ubove Sephiroth then why is Omni-Slash so effective basically saying anyone that fast beat’s Sephiroth?

WRONG, HE BEAT HIM AT NIBLEHEIM FIRST. THE TEAM HELPED IN VII BUT CLOUD STILL SOLOED HIM MAKING VII CLOUD > ZACK.
Does Cloud fight at omnislash pace? Just because Sephiroth is the most powerful doesn’t mean he can’t lose, what the fuck are you on about there?

And Third he was clearly owning Cloud from begining to end of th fight he could have killed him but instead he toyed and if his skill is the same Zack did better

Oh shut up, I’m really tired of this playing with Cloud bullshit. Cloud was outmatched, nothing to suggest he was playing because the UO didn’t say so, you’re really broken here because you’re not listening AT ALL. Should a would a could a. Sephiroth was fighting, he took Cloud out at the oppurtunity when he was fatigued. You have no idea how much Cloud hates Sephiroth.

. Zack couldent beat Sephiroth not holding back neither could Cloud he could have killed Cloud in AC but instead he took his time inflicting pain upon him, as ive pointed out a thousand time’s UO say’s Sephiroth outclassed Cloud and toyed with him end of.

Zack lost to a weaker Sephiroth, you just don’t listen do you, DO YOU?
OUTMATCHED not outclassed. He never toyed with him. His arrogance got the better of him AFTER HE BEAT CLOUD. No it’s not the end of, because you;re saying it as if Sephiroth was there for shits and giggles. He wanted to wear him down physically, THEN batter him emotionally WHICH WAS AFTER THE BATTLE.

Ive pretty much just answered the next 2 as your just stateing the same thing’s again post something from UO if your so sure it said that lol because i know for a fact it dousent dude.

Why don’t you buy it like other people? Why don’t you post something from the UO then. You can’t because you got your info from an interpretation, remember you showed me that link? Thats not what the UO said, it’s what the person writing it said.


Red Calibur, tell him to read the UO please.

1. Since when could Sephiroth destroy the moon and a large section of earth??? Zero was nothing on Manerva (Goddess of Gaia who banished Genesis) either then for that matter but Zack still kicked her ass, glad we agree on the Bahamut thing tho Zack fought the daddy of all Bahamut’s.

Are you also forgeting Zack also fought Sephiroth???

2. Ehem he say’s its “his move” he is the only one to ever state this Cloud used it after him, so it was his move unless you can proove someone else invented it with some fact’s or even a mention then i digress it was made by Zack as the only one to lay claim to it.

3. Zack trained for year’s under Angeal and worked his way to first Class Solider you dont get that without haveing a shitload of experiance dude Cloud failed the exam and was an MP he never trained untill FF7 that is like 3 year’s includeing DoC mabe 3 and a half at best that hardly gave him more experiance than Zack who was also older than Cloud to begin with.

This all show’s Zack had more experiance and fought harder opponent’s, and Zack died before Airith hence she could not bring him back however she could bring Cloud back cus she was dead by this time.

4. Ill ask again were douse it state the move come to those who poses the Buster sword???, you proved yourself wrong because Cloud has made at least 4 vertion’s since 7 hence Vertion 5 witch he used on Sephiroth.

5. They are both useing Buster Sword so Cloud has but one blade, how is Cloud going to beat Zack before he loses his blade all this prove’s is you know Zack would own Cloud without his sword.

6. Im saying Seph can be beaten that is all, Sephiroth had already fought Zack and had been impailed when Cloud tossed him into the reactor not much of a fight there, as for soloing Sephiroth in the lifestream he used Omni-Slash he never fought him Zack could have done the same had he used it there is no proof Cloud can fight Seph aside from AC were Sephiroth who is far ubove Zack in term’s of training and power held back and did not desire to kill Cloud but instead torture him.

7. Sephiroth outmatched Cloud hence he was better never fatiuged tired or seemed like he was trying the whole fight, witch leave’s the question what make’s you think he tried any harder against Cloud than Zack?

8. Sephiroth wanted to beat Zack he did he wanted to wear Cloud down and torture him he did, but he underestimated Cloud and paid the price that is what happened, so instead of trying to kill him he outmatched him blow for blow and bided his time.

9. Dude ive been through this with Cid i know what the UO say’s.

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: First Tsurugi >>> Buster Sword

wtf lol

Cloud’s AC sword is way better than the Buster Sword.

Therefor, Omnislash V5 >>>> Omnislash.

I dont see how it is?

First Tsurugi can be split into multiple smaller blades, allowing for the Omnislash V5.

mddmartino wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: UO?

Anyways, Cloud gets way better than Zack. You put AC Cloud against Zack, but treat him like the grunt he used to be.

it was like 2 mabe three year’s Cloud had not become that much better he needed a team in VII to fight Sephiroth Zack fought him alone, and before you start “he was more powerful” prove he used more effort on Cloud in VII than he did on Zack or even in AC were he held back most his ability’s.

well lets put it this way...
Zack died
cloud didn’t

yea against an entire army just about Sephiroth never killed him although he could have just like Cloud

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: First Tsurugi >>> Buster Sword

wtf lol

Cloud’s AC sword is way better than the Buster Sword.

Therefor, Omnislash V5 >>>> Omnislash.

I dont see how it is?

First Tsurugi can be split into multiple smaller blades, allowing for the Omnislash V5.

??? how douse that make it better Cloud still had to grab each one for strike’s? with the Buster Sword he could have just swooped in at that speed from all angle’s without haveing to collect each 1?

Zack pretty much has everything Cloud has plus CQC

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Kyle Knight wrote: Zack pretty much has everything Cloud has plus CQC

He doesn’t have First Tsurugi.
He doesn’t have Omnislash V5.
He doesn’t have all of the various spells that Cloud has.

Lathen Hide wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: First Tsurugi >>> Buster Sword

wtf lol

Cloud’s AC sword is way better than the Buster Sword.

Therefor, Omnislash V5 >>>> Omnislash.

I dont see how it is?

First Tsurugi can be split into multiple smaller blades, allowing for the Omnislash V5.

??? how douse that make it better Cloud still had to grab each one for strike’s? with the Buster Sword he could have just swooped in at that speed from all angle’s without haveing to collect each 1?

It’s much stronger. It killed AC Sephiroth, who is immune to the regular Buster Sword Omnislash.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote: Zack pretty much has everything Cloud has plus CQC

He doesn’t have First Tsurugi.
He doesn’t have Omnislash V5.
He doesn’t have all of the various spells that Cloud has.

1. Why is that important in this figh they both have the Buster Sword?

2. Why is that Important?

3. You mean Materia yes he can have the same spell’s Cloud douse witch make’s neither “Better” in that sence.

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Lathen Hide wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: First Tsurugi >>> Buster Sword

wtf lol

Cloud’s AC sword is way better than the Buster Sword.

Therefor, Omnislash V5 >>>> Omnislash.

I dont see how it is?

First Tsurugi can be split into multiple smaller blades, allowing for the Omnislash V5.

??? how douse that make it better Cloud still had to grab each one for strike’s? with the Buster Sword he could have just swooped in at that speed from all angle’s without haveing to collect each 1?

It’s much stronger. It killed AC Sephiroth, who is immune to the regular Buster Sword Omnislash.

How is Sephiroth Immune to it??? and this is Cloud vs Zack so both can be killed by Omni-Slash

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Kyle Knight wrote: 1. Why is that important in this figh they both have the Buster Sword?

Oh, I didn’t read that in the first post. Fine.

Kyle Knight wrote: 2. Why is that Important?

It’s WAY stronger than the normal Omnislash.

Kyle Knight wrote: 3. You mean Materia yes he can have the same spell’s Cloud douse witch make’s neither “Better” in that sence.

If he does have Ultima, Knights of the Round, etc., why doesn’t he ever use them? Sounds like he doesn’t have them to me.

1. good.

2. First Omni-Slash composes of 16 Slashe’s V5 consist’s of 6 how do you work out the damage is greater with V5?

3. in FF anyone can use Materia so it’s void Zack can use materia aswell as Cloud

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Kyle Knight wrote: Both have The Buster Sword and it’s AC Cloud vs Crisis Core Zack.

My main point is Zack beat Zero Bahamut who is the strongest Bahamut ubove both Bahamut and Neo Bahamut sure Cloud beat Sin Bahamut but could it do this...



Next Zack actualy was a 1st Class SOLIDER not a crappy MP lol he had the training down and was brilliant at hand to hand combat aswell as Sword play.

Finaly he is Bullet time fast and is the origenator of the Omni Slash Tech so should make for an interesting debate?

1. I’m not watching any of the videos because I don’t want to spoil Crisis Core for me.
2. We are using AC Cloud right? The guy who defeated the #1 SOLDIER of all time? Twice?
3. Cloud can also dodge bullets, and has superior versions of Zack’s Omnislash.