Zack vs Cloud

Kyle Knight wrote: 2. First Omni-Slash composes of 16 Slashe’s V5 consist’s of 6 how do you work out the damage is greater with V5?

Excuse me? So, because there are more hits in the original, it’s automatically stronger? So, I guess two normal attacks are automatically stronger than the Super Spirit Bomb.

Some people just don’t understand the Golden Rule.

Anyway, Cloud’s Omnislash killed Sephiroth. Seph returns, now immune to the original, seeing as how he is still toying with Cloud, knowing full well of the Omnislash’s power, so he’s obviously immune to it, or else he would end the fight instead of risk being killed by the same move twice. Cloud’s Omnislash V5 is able to kill Seph.

So logically, V5 > Original.

Some people just don’t understand the Golden Rule.

1. Well then you cant compare the two makeing your argument flawed

2. yea with Omni-Slash Zack’s move, then with his own but Seph could have killed Cloud anyway he was outmatched so it dousent really matter as both Zack and Cloud dont compare to Sephiroth allout.

3. 16 slashe’s pwn’s 6

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Kyle Knight wrote: 1. Well then you cant compare the two makeing your argument flawed

Oh well. I already spoiled Wind Waker, and I was sad for that. I had to keep myself from watching the Ganondorf fight on Twilight Princess on YouTube.

Kyle Knight wrote: 2. yea with Omni-Slash Zack’s move, then with his own but Seph could have killed Cloud anyway he was outmatched so it dousent really matter as both Zack and Cloud dont compare to Sephiroth allout.

Yes, but the original Omni doesn’t work on Seph, but the V5 does.

Kyle Knight wrote: 3. 16 slashe’s pwn’s 6

That’s some bad logic.

Some people just don’t understand the Golden Rule.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote: 2. First Omni-Slash composes of 16 Slashe’s V5 consist’s of 6 how do you work out the damage is greater with V5?

Excuse me? So, because there are more hits in the original, it’s automatically stronger? So, I guess two normal attacks are automatically stronger than the Super Spirit Bomb.

no but 16 slashe’s with one big sword are better than 6 with another, useing DBZ as an example suck’s aswell as they work around ki there is no proof to surport V5 is any stronger just done differently.

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Red_Calibur9 wrote: Anyway, Cloud’s Omnislash killed Sephiroth. Seph returns, now immune to the original, seeing as how he is still toying with Cloud, knowing full well of the Omnislash’s power, so he’s obviously immune to it, or else he would end the fight instead of risk being killed by the same move twice. Cloud’s Omnislash V5 is able to kill Seph.

So logically, V5 > Original.

Sephiroth wanted to torture Cloud and had seen Omni-Slash once already so he was prepared for it, but Cloud used a new vertion witch he did not expect.

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: Anyway, Cloud’s Omnislash killed Sephiroth. Seph returns, now immune to the original, seeing as how he is still toying with Cloud, knowing full well of the Omnislash’s power, so he’s obviously immune to it, or else he would end the fight instead of risk being killed by the same move twice. Cloud’s Omnislash V5 is able to kill Seph.

So logically, V5 > Original.

Sephiroth wanted to torture Cloud and had seen Omni-Slash once already so he was prepared for it, but Cloud used a new vertion witch he did not expect.

Sephiroth couldn’t dodge the original. A new version wouldn’t surprise him, it’d overpower him.

Some people just don’t understand the Golden Rule.

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote: 2. First Omni-Slash composes of 16 Slashe’s V5 consist’s of 6 how do you work out the damage is greater with V5?

Excuse me? So, because there are more hits in the original, it’s automatically stronger? So, I guess two normal attacks are automatically stronger than the Super Spirit Bomb.

no but 16 slashe’s with one big sword are better than 6 with another, useing DBZ as an example suck’s aswell as they work around ki there is no proof to surport V5 is any stronger just done differently.

I just logically proved that it was stronger, seeing as how Seph won’t be killed by the first one, but he would be killed by the V5.

Some people just don’t understand the Golden Rule.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote: 1. Well then you cant compare the two makeing your argument flawed

Oh well. I already spoiled Wind Waker, and I was sad for that. I had to keep myself from watching the Ganondorf fight on Twilight Princess on YouTube.

Kyle Knight wrote: 2. yea with Omni-Slash Zack’s move, then with his own but Seph could have killed Cloud anyway he was outmatched so it dousent really matter as both Zack and Cloud dont compare to Sephiroth allout.

Yes, but the original Omni doesn’t work on Seph, but the V5 does.

Kyle Knight wrote: 3. 16 slashe’s pwn’s 6

That’s some bad logic.

1. Well u cant really know how good Zack is without actually watching them.

2. That is cus he has seen it and he would not be caught with it twice...this is Zack vs Cloud why is sephiroth a factor both Cloud and Zack are nothing compared to him allout...

3. No Good logic if you are stabbed 16 time’s with the buster sword or 6 time’s with the...other....thing...witch would you most likely survive

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: Anyway, Cloud’s Omnislash killed Sephiroth. Seph returns, now immune to the original, seeing as how he is still toying with Cloud, knowing full well of the Omnislash’s power, so he’s obviously immune to it, or else he would end the fight instead of risk being killed by the same move twice. Cloud’s Omnislash V5 is able to kill Seph.

So logically, V5 > Original.

Sephiroth wanted to torture Cloud and had seen Omni-Slash once already so he was prepared for it, but Cloud used a new vertion witch he did not expect.

Sephiroth couldn’t dodge the original. A new version wouldn’t surprise him, it’d overpower him.

...wtf are you on about Seph could dodge the origenal in AC cus he had seen it once before, the V5 he had never seen before so it surprised him hence the gormless look on his face at the end, prove it’s any different?

Cloud is not more powerful than AC Sephiroth who could make his own LifeStream lol

Stop going on about Sephiroth...make Cloud vs Sephiroth allout if you want to discuss that but this is Zack vs Cloud Sephiroth dousent factor

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote: 1. Well then you cant compare the two makeing your argument flawed

Oh well. I already spoiled Wind Waker, and I was sad for that. I had to keep myself from watching the Ganondorf fight on Twilight Princess on YouTube.

Kyle Knight wrote: 2. yea with Omni-Slash Zack’s move, then with his own but Seph could have killed Cloud anyway he was outmatched so it dousent really matter as both Zack and Cloud dont compare to Sephiroth allout.

Yes, but the original Omni doesn’t work on Seph, but the V5 does.

Kyle Knight wrote: 3. 16 slashe’s pwn’s 6

That’s some bad logic.

1. Well u cant really know how good Zack is without actually watching them.

2. That is cus he has seen it and he would not be caught with it twice...this is Zack vs Cloud why is sephiroth a factor both Cloud and Zack are nothing compared to him allout...

3. No Good logic if you are stabbed 16 time’s with the buster sword or 6 time’s with the...other....thing...witch would you most likely survive

1. Oh well.
2. Sephiroth is a factor because we are comparing Omnislashes.
3. It all depends on how strong the slash is, not how many slashes. 16 light scratches vs. 6 bisections is a big difference.

Some people just don’t understand the Golden Rule.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote: 2. First Omni-Slash composes of 16 Slashe’s V5 consist’s of 6 how do you work out the damage is greater with V5?

Excuse me? So, because there are more hits in the original, it’s automatically stronger? So, I guess two normal attacks are automatically stronger than the Super Spirit Bomb.

no but 16 slashe’s with one big sword are better than 6 with another, useing DBZ as an example suck’s aswell as they work around ki there is no proof to surport V5 is any stronger just done differently.

I just logically proved that it was stronger, seeing as how Seph won’t be killed by the first one, but he would be killed by the V5.

No you proved Cloud alternated the Origenal cus Sephiroth would be read for the old one...were douse it state it’s any stronger...i logicaly proved 16>6 slash’s...

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: Anyway, Cloud’s Omnislash killed Sephiroth. Seph returns, now immune to the original, seeing as how he is still toying with Cloud, knowing full well of the Omnislash’s power, so he’s obviously immune to it, or else he would end the fight instead of risk being killed by the same move twice. Cloud’s Omnislash V5 is able to kill Seph.

So logically, V5 > Original.

Sephiroth wanted to torture Cloud and had seen Omni-Slash once already so he was prepared for it, but Cloud used a new vertion witch he did not expect.

Sephiroth couldn’t dodge the original. A new version wouldn’t surprise him, it’d overpower him.

...wtf are you on about Seph could dodge the origenal in AC cus he had seen it once before, the V5 he had never seen before so it surprised him hence the gormless look on his face at the end, prove it’s any different?

Cloud is not more powerful than AC Sephiroth who could make his own LifeStream lol

Stop going on about Sephiroth...make Cloud vs Sephiroth allout if you want to discuss that but this is Zack vs Cloud Sephiroth dousent factor

1. The V5 was a pretty obvious attack. If Sephiroth could’ve dodged it, he would’ve.
2. I know.
3. I’m only using Sephiroth to compare Omnislashes, of course Seph is stronger.

Some people just don’t understand the Golden Rule.

Kyle Knight wrote: No you proved Cloud alternated the Origenal cus Sephiroth would be read for the old one...were douse it state it’s any stronger...i logicaly proved 16>6 slash’s...

Sephiroth hasn’t seen the Cross Slash. Would that work on him? I doubt it.

Some people just don’t understand the Golden Rule.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote: 1. Well then you cant compare the two makeing your argument flawed

Oh well. I already spoiled Wind Waker, and I was sad for that. I had to keep myself from watching the Ganondorf fight on Twilight Princess on YouTube.

Kyle Knight wrote: 2. yea with Omni-Slash Zack’s move, then with his own but Seph could have killed Cloud anyway he was outmatched so it dousent really matter as both Zack and Cloud dont compare to Sephiroth allout.

Yes, but the original Omni doesn’t work on Seph, but the V5 does.

Kyle Knight wrote: 3. 16 slashe’s pwn’s 6

That’s some bad logic.

1. Well u cant really know how good Zack is without actually watching them.

2. That is cus he has seen it and he would not be caught with it twice...this is Zack vs Cloud why is sephiroth a factor both Cloud and Zack are nothing compared to him allout...

3. No Good logic if you are stabbed 16 time’s with the buster sword or 6 time’s with the...other....thing...witch would you most likely survive

1. Oh well.
2. Sephiroth is a factor because we are comparing Omnislashes.
3. It all depends on how strong the slash is, not how many slashes. 16 light scratches vs. 6 bisections is a big difference.

1. yea ur argument is void huh

2. yea and Cloud has the Buster sword so can he use Omni-Slash V5...No

3. light scrach’s...your unbelivable



Cloud clearly charge’s up his weapon and is going allout...

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Cloud has his ass handed to him then douse his V5

16>6

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote: Anyway, Cloud’s Omnislash killed Sephiroth. Seph returns, now immune to the original, seeing as how he is still toying with Cloud, knowing full well of the Omnislash’s power, so he’s obviously immune to it, or else he would end the fight instead of risk being killed by the same move twice. Cloud’s Omnislash V5 is able to kill Seph.

So logically, V5 > Original.

Sephiroth wanted to torture Cloud and had seen Omni-Slash once already so he was prepared for it, but Cloud used a new vertion witch he did not expect.

Sephiroth couldn’t dodge the original. A new version wouldn’t surprise him, it’d overpower him.

...wtf are you on about Seph could dodge the origenal in AC cus he had seen it once before, the V5 he had never seen before so it surprised him hence the gormless look on his face at the end, prove it’s any different?

Cloud is not more powerful than AC Sephiroth who could make his own LifeStream lol

Stop going on about Sephiroth...make Cloud vs Sephiroth allout if you want to discuss that but this is Zack vs Cloud Sephiroth dousent factor

1. The V5 was a pretty obvious attack. If Sephiroth could’ve dodged it, he would’ve.
2. I know.
3. I’m only using Sephiroth to compare Omnislashes, of course Seph is stronger.

1. the same can be said about the first

2. good

3. good

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote: No you proved Cloud alternated the Origenal cus Sephiroth would be read for the old one...were douse it state it’s any stronger...i logicaly proved 16>6 slash’s...

Sephiroth hasn’t seen the Cross Slash. Would that work on him? I doubt it.

How do you know Cloud never used Cross Slash on Sephiroth? and OmniSlash is a limit break as in breaking limit’s hence much more impressive than any materia

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote: No you proved Cloud alternated the Origenal cus Sephiroth would be read for the old one...were douse it state it’s any stronger...i logicaly proved 16>6 slash’s...

Sephiroth hasn’t seen the Cross Slash. Would that work on him? I doubt it.

How do you know Cloud never used Cross Slash on Sephiroth? and OmniSlash is a limit break as in breaking limit’s hence much more impressive than any materia

Cross Slash is a limit break.

Some people just don’t understand the Golden Rule.

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote:

Red_Calibur9 wrote:

Kyle Knight wrote: No you proved Cloud alternated the Origenal cus Sephiroth would be read for the old one...were douse it state it’s any stronger...i logicaly proved 16>6 slash’s...

Sephiroth hasn’t seen the Cross Slash. Would that work on him? I doubt it.

How do you know Cloud never used Cross Slash on Sephiroth? and OmniSlash is a limit break as in breaking limit’s hence much more impressive than any materia

Cross Slash is a limit break.

I am awear Omni Slash is his most powerful tech held in higher regard than any Materia or ability he has as it’s the one that brought down Sephiroth...

“It’s Ironic how life is an endless pursuit of dream’s and yet we only find that dream in the eternal rest that awaits at the end of our journey through life..."

1. Since when could Sephiroth destroy the moon and a large section of earth??? Zero was nothing on Manerva (Goddess of Gaia who banished Genesis) either then for that matter but Zack still kicked her ass, glad we agree on the Bahamut thing tho Zack fought the daddy of all Bahamut’s.

Are you also forgeting Zack also fought Sephiroth???

Since when did you forget that Sephiroth was gonna destroy the earth, TWICE?

Are you forgetting Cloud fought AC SEPHIORH?!?!?!?!

. Ehem he say’s its “his move” he is the only one to ever state this Cloud used it after him, so it was his move unless you can proove someone else invented it with some fact’s or even a mention then i digress it was made by Zack as the only one to lay claim to it.

Did Zacks omnislash have 15 slices?

. Zack trained for year’s under Angeal and worked his way to first Class Solider you dont get that without haveing a shitload of experiance dude Cloud failed the exam and was an MP he never trained untill FF7 that is like 3 year’s includeing DoC mabe 3 and a half at best that hardly gave him more experiance than Zack who was also older than Cloud to begin with.

Zacks experience is nothing on Cloud’s experience in VII DUH. Cloud didn’t fail the experiment because he was weak, he failed because he’s not mentally strong enough, had nothing to do with his physical powers, and why are you bringing CC Cloud into this for, stop trying make Cloud look like some noob. What the fuck has age got to do with this, Sephiroth is older than Cloud and he’s been beaten by Cloud 3 times, Barret and Cid and Vincent are older than Cloud but yet they wouldn’t have a chance in hell against AC Sephiroth.

This all show’s Zack had more experiance and fought harder opponent’s, and Zack died before Airith hence she could not bring him back however she could bring Cloud back cus she was dead by this time.

Zack didn’t fight AC Sephiroth who IS the most powerful DUH.
So what if he died before her, you’re telling me she couldn’t bring him back at all?

. Ill ask again were douse it state the move come to those who poses the Buster sword???, you proved yourself wrong because Cloud has made at least 4 vertion’s since 7 hence Vertion 5 witch he used on Sephiroth.

I’ll see if I can find it. Cloud didn’t make 4 versions what the fuck are you talking about? SE made 4 version which they scrapped.

. They are both useing Buster Sword so Cloud has but one blade, how is Cloud going to beat Zack before he loses his blade all this prove’s is you know Zack would own Cloud without his sword.

The first Tsurugi isn’t one blade.

6. Im saying Seph can be beaten that is all, Sephiroth had already fought Zack and had been impailed when Cloud tossed him into the reactor not much of a fight there, as for soloing Sephiroth in the lifestream he used Omni-Slash he never fought him Zack could have done the same had he used it there is no proof Cloud can fight Seph aside from AC were Sephiroth who is far ubove Zack in term’s of training and power held back and did not desire to kill Cloud but instead torture him.

When did I say he was unbeatable? I said Sephiroth is the most powerfullest, so in a hypothetical battle the odds are very much in his favour. You forget he imppailed Cloud too, or did you forget that, don’t tell me Sephiroth was playing with Cloud again. Did I say Cloud could fight Sephiroth in CC? I said he’s beaten him three times, you don’t beat someone three times by accident, Zack would get destroyed by Sephiroth. Don’t try and argue that. THERE’S NO PROOF THAT CLOUD CAN’T FIGHT SEHPHIROTH BAR AC? So who finished Sephiroth off in VII then? Stop giving me that bullshit about Sephiroth holding back, give me direct SE quotes that Sephiroth held back, bar your bullshit about 'shall I give you dispair?'

7. Sephiroth outmatched Cloud hence he was better never fatiuged tired or seemed like he was trying the whole fight, witch leave’s the question what make’s you think he tried any harder against Cloud than Zack?

You really don’t read anything do you?, want me to post the quote about Sephiroth not being bound by human physiology?
It doesn’t matter if he was trying harder, you can’t compare AC Sephiroth to CC because CC Sephiroth is less powerful than AC Cloud.

8. Sephiroth wanted to beat Zack he did he wanted to wear Cloud down and torture him he did, but he underestimated Cloud and paid the price that is what happened, so instead of trying to kill him he outmatched him blow for blow and bided his time.

You miss the important point out, Sephiroth HAD to wear and tear Cloud down. He didn’t outmatch him blow for blow until Cloud got fatigued.

9. Dude ive been through this with Cid i know what the UO say’s.

No you’ve read the IGN FAQ interpretations, and wtf has Cid got to do with this? I’m debating with YOU, not Cid

Zack pretty much has everything Cloud has plus CQC

Then why did he lose to Sephiroth?

2. First Omni-Slash composes of 16 Slashe’s V5 consist’s of 6 how do you work out the damage is greater with V5?

First off, it’s 15 slices.
And don’t you get it? it required LESS slices to kill A MORE POWERFUL Sephiroth, hence why it’s more powerful than the previous. What dont you get about that?

Cloud has his ass handed to him then douse his V5

16>6

I just proved you wrong in my above sentence.
Did you also know that the original omnislash moved in a blink of an eye? In AC Cloud leaves his bodies when flying, just showing how faster he was going than in VII. So yea AC omnislash > VII omnislash
AC Cloud > Zack