Zeru's fire vs Yamamoto's fire

Chaos Theory wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote: Notice how Suzaku has nothing to do with Zeru.

I think he was making a foundation for his argument

Exactly.

Chaos Theory wrote: The Atomic Bomb didn’t turn Rock to ash, it changed the chemical makeup from the heat given off. On the other hand the 7000 degeres that the bomb gives off = this Half of the energy was consumed when the explosion generated an ultra high air pressure which resulted in very strong bomb blast (wind). One third of the energy was consumed when the explosion generated heat, while the rest of the energy was consumed when the explosion generated radiation. So in the end a third of a half.

But I don’t see anything in those scans that shows his fire being hotter then Yammamoto’s in fact I don’t see it burning anything to ash either

The fact that it is more powerful than Suzaku’s lightning shows how powerful it is.

Darth Nihilus wrote:

Chaos Theory wrote:

Darth Nihilus wrote: Notice how Suzaku has nothing to do with Zeru.

I think he was making a foundation for his argument

Doesn’t seem to be working. Yusuke was able to tank his lightning.

That shows how durable Yusuke was at the time.

Sorry, but the Suzaku argument doesn’t hold water. They are two different characters altogether. One is lightning. The other is pure flame. Is there relevance? No. True, one is obviously more powerful than the other, but in terms of heat/temperature given off by the attacks? Nope.

Ky wrote: Sorry, but the Suzaku argument doesn’t hold water. They are two different characters altogether. One is lightning. The other is pure flame. Is there relevance? No. True, one is obviously more powerful than the other, but in terms of heat/temperature given off by the attacks? Nope.

I know they are purely different.

But in both cases both were way stronger than there natural elements do to Youki.

Zeru’s Youki was more powerful than Suzuka’s making Zeru’s fire more powerful than Suzuka’s lightning.

Ok, so Youki/Reiki enhance the strength of a given element. That’s true. But if they’re two entirely different elements, then comparing is really pointless.

Youki lightning has more voltage/thrust behind it. It gives off a stronger shock to it.

Youki fire has more temperature to it. It burns faster.

Both do entirely different kinds of damage, so they are incomparable

Ky wrote: Ok, so Youki/Reiki enhance the strength of a given element. That’s true. But if they’re two entirely different elements, then comparing is really pointless.

Youki lightning has more voltage/thrust behind it. It gives off a stronger shock to it.

Youki fire has more temperature to it. It burns faster.

Both do entirely different kinds of damage, so they are incomparable

I think you missed the part where i said that Hiei was more durable than Yusuke who had previously survived Suzaku’s lightning on several occasions. Hiei would of gotten killed by Zeru’s fire if it would of not of been for the Jagan Eye meaning Zeru’s fire was more powerful than Suzaku’s lightning.

I like bleach bit I just dont give a damn.

I watch the WEnglish eps and I stopped for a while because it was all filler trash.

Im gonna watch it later to see whats going on tho

Christian Gold Saint of Aries wrote:

Ky wrote: Ok, so Youki/Reiki enhance the strength of a given element. That’s true. But if they’re two entirely different elements, then comparing is really pointless.

Youki lightning has more voltage/thrust behind it. It gives off a stronger shock to it.

Youki fire has more temperature to it. It burns faster.

Both do entirely different kinds of damage, so they are incomparable

I think you missed the part where i said that Hiei was more durable than Yusuke who had previously survived Suzaku’s lightning on several occasions. Hiei would of gotten killed by Zeru’s fire if it would of not of been for the Jagan Eye meaning Zeru’s fire was more powerful than Suzaku’s lightning.

ONCE AGAIN. The two are INCOMPARABLE. Why the are you bringing in something that’s completely irrelevant to this discussion? Even as a basis for how powerful a technique is, if the two are completely different, there’s no point in comparing the two.

Lightning and fire, no matter how powerful they are, damage in different ways. Lightning is a powerful shock to the system. It doesn’t instantly burn the target on site. Fire DOES.

Did Suzaku’s lightning burn up Yusuke when he kept getting hit? No. Did Zeru’s flame burn his targets? Yes. Why exactly is this so hard for you to understand? If you want to compare Suzaku’s lightning to somebody elses lightning, go right ahead. But don’t use it as a basis for something completely different, no matter how much more powerful the next tech is.

You’re comparing fire to fire. You’re not comparing lightning to fire to fire.

Bottom line : Zeru’s fire isn’t as powerful as Yamamoto’s.

Ky wrote:

Christian Gold Saint of Aries wrote:

Ky wrote: Ok, so Youki/Reiki enhance the strength of a given element. That’s true. But if they’re two entirely different elements, then comparing is really pointless.

Youki lightning has more voltage/thrust behind it. It gives off a stronger shock to it.

Youki fire has more temperature to it. It burns faster.

Both do entirely different kinds of damage, so they are incomparable

I think you missed the part where i said that Hiei was more durable than Yusuke who had previously survived Suzaku’s lightning on several occasions. Hiei would of gotten killed by Zeru’s fire if it would of not of been for the Jagan Eye meaning Zeru’s fire was more powerful than Suzaku’s lightning.

ONCE AGAIN. The two are INCOMPARABLE. Why the are you bringing in something that’s completely irrelevant to this discussion? Even as a basis for how powerful a technique is, if the two are completely different, there’s no point in comparing the two.

Lightning and fire, no matter how powerful they are, damage in different ways. Lightning is a powerful shock to the system. It doesn’t instantly burn the target on site. Fire DOES.

Did Suzaku’s lightning burn up Yusuke when he kept getting hit? No. Did Zeru’s flame burn his targets? Yes. Why exactly is this so hard for you to understand? If you want to compare Suzaku’s lightning to somebody elses lightning, go right ahead. But don’t use it as a basis for something completely different, no matter how much more powerful the next tech is.

You’re comparing fire to fire. You’re not comparing lightning to fire to fire.

Bottom line : Zeru’s fire isn’t as powerful as Yamamoto’s.

Suzaku’s lightning could incinerate humans with a mere touch. So it can compare to Zeru’s fire. The only reason Yusuke was not instantly incinerated by Suzaku’s lightning was becuase Yusuke had a powerful layer of Reiki surrounding his body.

Christian Gold Saint of Aries wrote:

Ky wrote:

Christian Gold Saint of Aries wrote:

Ky wrote: Ok, so Youki/Reiki enhance the strength of a given element. That’s true. But if they’re two entirely different elements, then comparing is really pointless.

Youki lightning has more voltage/thrust behind it. It gives off a stronger shock to it.

Youki fire has more temperature to it. It burns faster.

Both do entirely different kinds of damage, so they are incomparable

I think you missed the part where i said that Hiei was more durable than Yusuke who had previously survived Suzaku’s lightning on several occasions. Hiei would of gotten killed by Zeru’s fire if it would of not of been for the Jagan Eye meaning Zeru’s fire was more powerful than Suzaku’s lightning.

ONCE AGAIN. The two are INCOMPARABLE. Why the are you bringing in something that’s completely irrelevant to this discussion? Even as a basis for how powerful a technique is, if the two are completely different, there’s no point in comparing the two.

Lightning and fire, no matter how powerful they are, damage in different ways. Lightning is a powerful shock to the system. It doesn’t instantly burn the target on site. Fire DOES.

Did Suzaku’s lightning burn up Yusuke when he kept getting hit? No. Did Zeru’s flame burn his targets? Yes. Why exactly is this so hard for you to understand? If you want to compare Suzaku’s lightning to somebody elses lightning, go right ahead. But don’t use it as a basis for something completely different, no matter how much more powerful the next tech is.

You’re comparing fire to fire. You’re not comparing lightning to fire to fire.

Bottom line : Zeru’s fire isn’t as powerful as Yamamoto’s.

Suzaku’s lightning could incinerate humans with a mere touch. So it can compare to Zeru’s fire. The only reason Yusuke was not instantly incinerated by Suzaku’s lightning was becuase Yusuke had a powerful layer of Reiki surrounding his body.

When did Suzaku ever use his lightning on anybody? IIRC, he just used it on Yusuke over and over again.

Doesn’t matter though, does it? Instantly turning rock into ashes is still more meaty than anything in YYH up to that point.

Ky wrote:

Christian Gold Saint of Aries wrote:

Ky wrote:

Christian Gold Saint of Aries wrote:

Ky wrote: Ok, so Youki/Reiki enhance the strength of a given element. That’s true. But if they’re two entirely different elements, then comparing is really pointless.

Youki lightning has more voltage/thrust behind it. It gives off a stronger shock to it.

Youki fire has more temperature to it. It burns faster.

Both do entirely different kinds of damage, so they are incomparable

I think you missed the part where i said that Hiei was more durable than Yusuke who had previously survived Suzaku’s lightning on several occasions. Hiei would of gotten killed by Zeru’s fire if it would of not of been for the Jagan Eye meaning Zeru’s fire was more powerful than Suzaku’s lightning.

ONCE AGAIN. The two are INCOMPARABLE. Why the are you bringing in something that’s completely irrelevant to this discussion? Even as a basis for how powerful a technique is, if the two are completely different, there’s no point in comparing the two.

Lightning and fire, no matter how powerful they are, damage in different ways. Lightning is a powerful shock to the system. It doesn’t instantly burn the target on site. Fire DOES.

Did Suzaku’s lightning burn up Yusuke when he kept getting hit? No. Did Zeru’s flame burn his targets? Yes. Why exactly is this so hard for you to understand? If you want to compare Suzaku’s lightning to somebody elses lightning, go right ahead. But don’t use it as a basis for something completely different, no matter how much more powerful the next tech is.

You’re comparing fire to fire. You’re not comparing lightning to fire to fire.

Bottom line : Zeru’s fire isn’t as powerful as Yamamoto’s.

Suzaku’s lightning could incinerate humans with a mere touch. So it can compare to Zeru’s fire. The only reason Yusuke was not instantly incinerated by Suzaku’s lightning was becuase Yusuke had a powerful layer of Reiki surrounding his body.

When did Suzaku ever use his lightning on anybody? IIRC, he just used it on Yusuke over and over again.

Doesn’t matter though, does it? Instantly turning rock into ashes is still more meaty than anything in YYH up to that point.

Demons and humans have entered Maze Castle long before the Reikai Tentai did. Suzaku even stated that Yusuke was the first human not to die from his lightning meaning he has used it on other targets in the past.

Zeru’s Youki is more powerful than Suzaku’s Youki but the temperature of lightning is 60,000 degrees Fahrenheit while the highest temperature fire goes is 2730 degrees Fahrenheit. But when combined with Youki it becomes alot more powerful

Once again Hiei who was more durable than Yusuke who could survive lightning at over 60,000 degrees would of been killed by Zeru’s fire if it would of not of been for the Jagan Eye meaning Zeru’s fire was way beyond 60,000 degrees.

The temperature of the surface of the sun is about 11,000 degrees Fahrenheit. If you were to place a rock or many rocks that close to the sun surely enough they would be incinerated to nothing not even ashes. The temperature of lightning is about six times the temperature of the surface of the sun and that is just regular lightning Suzaku’s lightning is beyond that and Zeru’s fire is way beyond Suzaku’s lightning.

That is an example of how powerful Zeru’s fire is.

IF THIS IS YAMMATO FROM NARUTO this debate is dumb cause yamato cant use fire jutsus

narutofreak wrote: IF THIS IS YAMMATO FROM NARUTO this debate is dumb cause yamato cant use fire jutsus

Umm no its Yamamoto from Bleach.

Where exactly is it said that the lightning is 60,000 degrees F

Chaos Theory wrote: Where exactly is it said that the lightning is 60,000 degrees F

Multiple sources.

Show me, because I went back though your scans and they say nothing of this boast

Christian Gold Saint of Aries wrote:

Chaos Theory wrote: Well the spiritual incarnation of Rocks, things in Soul Society is much denser then in the human world as explained by Rukia

She never said Soul Society was more durable than the human world.

I guess that I never got around to answering this, spirit related things in BLEACH are composed of spiritons the spirit body and the spirit world

Chaos Theory wrote: Show me, because I went back though your scans and they say nothing of this boast

That is the temperature of lightning. Suzaku’s lightning came from the sky and he enhanced its power with his Youki.

Demon World Lightning may not be the same as real lightning